Álvaro Fernández (returned to parent club)

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The most worrying aspects of his Stoke and Burnley performances were the communication issues with the back line and the distribution not being on the same wavelength as his teammates.

I can see a vast improvement in these areas which is great. No calamities yesterday and some great long balls forward.

A few things to work on though;

Aerial dominance in the box

Sometimes too ambitious with trying to set us up on the counter - sometimes needs to hold onto it longer and let us get back into shape and push up the pitch as a team

(Maybe) gets beaten at his near post too often?
 

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Played fine, no where near rayas quality on the ball and the third went through him - raya would have saved, small margins and wasn’t bad, just not quite rayas level- yet…
 

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You might get lucky as a keeper and get a leg in the way of the 3rd goal. But I’m sure TF will be more concerned with:

1. No pressure on the cross
2. Roerslev’s positioning and lack of getting his head on said cross
3. The run of the goal scorer not matched by our players
 

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You might get lucky as a keeper and get a leg in the way of the 3rd goal. But I’m sure TF will be more concerned with:

1. No pressure on the cross
2. Roerslev’s positioning and lack of getting his head on said cross
3. The run of the goal scorer not matched by our players
Also we have away possession too easily early on in the move.
 

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Played fine, no where near rayas quality on the ball and the third went through him - raya would have saved, small margins and wasn’t bad, just not quite rayas level- yet…
Yeah I agree - the 3rd wasn't a GK error but the real top keepers would most likely save that (including, probably, Raya).

I would add though, if Toney hadn't cleared off the line just before HT, Fernandez would have been at fault for that one! Has to win the aerial dual.
 

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Is Cox a genuine alternative to Fernandez? If not then we should try and get in a senior keeper to compete with Alvaro for the shirt. That may be easier said than done.
 

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Is Cox a genuine alternative to Fernandez? If not then we should try and get in a senior keeper to compete with Alvaro for the shirt. That may be easier said than done.
I think it’ll be Gunnarsson coming back from loan rather than Cox. If we didn’t think Cox was up to it between now and January we’d have I think been able to do an emergency loan for a keeper as we don’t have one at the club who has played a competitive first team fixture.
 

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I think it’ll be Gunnarsson coming back from loan rather than Cox. If we didn’t think Cox was up to it between now and January we’d have I think been able to do an emergency loan for a keeper as we don’t have one at the club who has played a competitive first team fixture.
Crikey it's a huge ask to thrust Cox into the fray right now.
 

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I thought he should have come and claimed the cross for the first goal, and I don't feel that he is a dominant force in the box, which is what I like from a goalkeeper. But generally it's less a case of what he's done wrong and more about the impact of the loss of Raya on defenders' confidence. It takes time to build rapport between defenders and the keeper, and hopefully that will gradually come.
Gunnarsson must surely return in January, Whenever I watched him for the B team he looked good, and he had very good reports while on loan last year.
 

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I thought he should have come and claimed the cross for the first goal, and I don't feel that he is a dominant force in the box, which is what I like from a goalkeeper. But generally it's less a case of what he's done wrong and more about the impact of the loss of Raya on defenders' confidence. It takes time to build rapport between defenders and the keeper, and hopefully that will gradually come.
Gunnarsson must surely return in January, Whenever I watched him for the B team he looked good, and he had very good reports while on loan last year.

Not sure about that buddy. The central defence should have dealt with that cross!
 

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Yeah I agree - the 3rd wasn't a GK error but the real top keepers would most likely save that (including, probably, Raya).

I would add though, if Toney hadn't cleared off the line just before HT, Fernandez would have been at fault for that one! Has to win the aerial dual.
Was that the one where he got clattered by pontus?
 

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He was OK, not a patch on Raya at the moment.

There still seems to be a lack of understanding between him and the defence which I know takes time.

Didn’t do anything wrong, the fluff before half time aside, but nothing extraordinary either.
 

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He’s an easy scapegoat right now. Young, new to to the team, and replacing one of the best performers from the start of the season. Personally think it’s extremely harsh to blame him for yesterday. Could’ve done nothing about the first 2, 3rd goal is a very hard save because of the range and pace of the shot, the blame for that goal for me is more the defence, who both in the build up and finish left Saint Maximin so much space.
 

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Crikey it's a huge ask to thrust Cox into the fray right now.
It is but as we haven’t gone straight to an emergency loan it means the club thinks it a tolerable risk.
 

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It is but as we haven’t gone straight to an emergency loan it means the club thinks it a tolerable risk.
Yep and I trust the DOFs and TF as they rarely get it wrong recruitment wise, let’s back them and hope that Alvaro is as good as Raya
 

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I thought he should have come and claimed the cross for the first goal, and I don't feel that he is a dominant force in the box, which is what I like from a goalkeeper. But generally it's less a case of what he's done wrong and more about the impact of the loss of Raya on defenders' confidence. It takes time to build rapport between defenders and the keeper, and hopefully that will gradually come.
Gunnarsson must surely return in January, Whenever I watched him for the B team he looked good, and he had very good reports while on loan last year.
Don’t agree on the first goal,but he’s not the biggest and looks vulnerable under pressure.However,that’s an area Raya improved on enormously,so hopefully Alvaro can make similar progress.
 

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Don’t agree on the first goal,but he’s not the biggest and looks vulnerable under pressure.However,that’s an area Raya improved on enormously,so hopefully Alvaro can make similar progress.
I think he was looking more assured yesterday. He cant be blamed for the first goal and I don't think Raya would have come for it.

I personally thought he could have saved the third goal and should have saved Norwichs first goal. Plus he was let down by his defence for both goals.

However he looks fine to me and I think will only get better with more games.
 

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Don’t agree on the first goal,but he’s not the biggest and looks vulnerable under pressure.However,that’s an area Raya improved on enormously,so hopefully Alvaro can make similar progress.
Well, for me a keeper should claim or punch anything that's on the edge of the six yard box. That's not to say we couldn't have defended it better anyway, so maybe I'm being a bit harsh.
 

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The defence let him down for several goals yesterday, especially the 3rd (Canos not tracking, Roerslev bad positioning), but did anyone think he looked a little rooted to the spot for the first plus his odd late secondary reaction once the ball was already in the net seemed a bit strange?
 

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Think it’s unfair to judge too much at the moment, he needs to get his match sharpness and also I imagine he needs to adjust to more high balls and pressure in the box than you get in Spain.
 

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Well, for me a keeper should claim or punch anything that's on the edge of the six yard box. That's not to say we couldn't have defended it better anyway, so maybe I'm being a bit harsh.
Just seen it again and don’t think that was his to come and collect to be fair.
 

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Comments on here seem to be very similar to early comments regarding Raya, ( mixed) and we know how he turned out !
Was thinking exactly the same. He was tentative with crosses initially and took a while to get to grips with the sweeper keeper role.
 

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He’s an easy scapegoat right now. Young, new to to the team, and replacing one of the best performers from the start of the season. Personally think it’s extremely harsh to blame him for yesterday. Could’ve done nothing about the first 2, 3rd goal is a very hard save because of the range and pace of the shot, the blame for that goal for me is more the defence, who both in the build up and finish left Saint Maximin so much space.
This.
 

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Comments on here seem to be very similar to early comments regarding Raya, ( mixed) and we know how he turned out !
Yep exactly - it's easy to forget now that it took Raya a while to develop and get better. It's been a rough start for Alvaro but there's not many teams who'd cope well without their first choice keeper, it's rare to have two of the same quality. Confident he'll grow into it.
 

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Yep exactly - it's easy to forget now that it took Raya a while to develop and get better. It's been a rough start for Alvaro but there's not many teams who'd cope well without their first choice keeper, it's rare to have two of the same quality. Confident he'll grow into it.
Agreed. In fact it's only this season that I've started to appreciate how good Raya is. I've been very sceptical in the past.
 

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Thought he did OK yesterday and ultimately was let down by the defence for all three goals. Best to judge once he has our best defenders back and playing in front of him
 

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The defence let him down for several goals yesterday, especially the 3rd (Canos not tracking, Roerslev bad positioning), but did anyone think he looked a little rooted to the spot for the first plus his odd late secondary reaction once the ball was already in the net seemed a bit strange?
I think he made a mistake with that 1st goal, I've played it back a few times now and it could be he thought it was going wide?
 

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Was very poor on that
I think he made a mistake with that 1st goal, I've played it back a few times now and it could be he thought it was going wide?

no hope he would have got anywhere near the first. Third was a case of throw out your hand and hope you get lucky. He almost did. Those who say with assurance ‘Raya would have saved it’ don’t know what they’re talking about. And fwiw I thought his distribution yesterday was that of a top half of the table keeper. Not Raya (yet) but let’s not forget Raya is one of the best at that, probably in the world. So I am feeling hugely reassured by how Alvaro is progressing. And re Cox, I think the management are happy for him to play part of a game in extremis. Not sure if we could qualify for an emergency loan to cover a reserve. Guessing that point is moot unless Alvaro gets crocked. And I fully expect to see a new #2 in January whether Gunnarsson or an acquisition so Cox can continue his development at a rate suited to his current stage.
 

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Don't think he looked terrible, a few question marks still but it's not fair to put any of these results on him, the defence/midfield have a lot to improve on as well. He's only had 4 games in the toughest league in the world.. give him a break.
 

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Was in the far corner off the post. Not sure how he was supposed to save that. Perhaps someone on the line would have helped.

Talking about the first goal we should be asking how he got such an easy header in the middle of the pen area from a corner? Barely challenged, powerful header from close range, no chance for the keeper really.
 

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Didnt really put a foot wrong. You can see hes building the understanding of how we play. But he does look a little low on confidence and IMO he should save the 3rd.
 

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Comments on here seem to be very similar to early comments regarding Raya, ( mixed) and we know how he turned out !
............spot on............is this the condensed version of events???...................
 

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I think he made a mistake with that 1st goal, I've played it back a few times now and it could be he thought it was going wide?

no hope he would have got anywhere near the first. Third was a case of throw out your hand and hope you get lucky. He almost did. Those who say with assurance ‘Raya would have saved it’ don’t know what they’re talking about. And fwiw I thought his distribution yesterday was that of a top half of the table keeper. Not Raya (yet) but let’s not forget Raya is one of the best at that, probably in the world. So I am feeling hugely reassured by how Alvaro is progressing. And re Cox, I think the management are happy for him to play part of a game in extremis. Not sure if we could qualify for an emergency loan to cover a reserve. Guessing that point is moot unless Alvaro gets crocked. And I fully expect to see a new #2 in January whether Gunnarsson or an acquisition so Cox can continue his development at a rate suited to his current stage.
Sorry,my bad,was talking about Canos,not Fernando's
 

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Comments on here seem to be very similar to early comments regarding Raya, ( mixed) and we know how he turned out !
When Raya came, all most us would have seen of him was him letting in five goals as we thumped Blackburn at GP. The DoFs clearly saw rather more of him and in him. I think we need a bit of patience and to give Alvaro a chance and trust in him and our club’s judgement. Maybe he could share Volare as a song with Vitaly as his name scans for it and he too can fly.
 

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When Raya came, all most us would have seen of him was him letting in five goals as we thumped Blackburn at GP. The DoFs clearly saw rather more of him and in him. I think we need a bit of patience and to give Alvaro a chance and trust in him and our club’s judgement. Maybe he could share Volare as a song with Vitaly as his name scans for it and he too can fly.
Trouble is Spain has one syllable not three like Germany!
 

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Thought of that but lacks the rhyme with ‘and now he is a Bee’
“And now he’s our keeper”? Or does that involve too geordie a pronunciation?
 

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Talking about the first goal we should be asking how he got such an easy header in the middle of the pen area from a corner? Barely challenged, powerful header from close range, no chance for the keeper really.
Pontus completely misjudged the ball and jumped much too early.
 
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