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Sorry, and what is the evidence base for stating that. The former is within our control, the latter is not. It's the accuracy of our precision passing esp. at long-distance (an important part of our game), which may be adversely affected. One extra goal last season could have made all the difference at the end and that's why marginal differences are so important and the inept decision on the choice of the away kit colour two years ago and now this, is beyond belief especially for a club which is so progressive and reliant on science in its way of analysing securing advantage.
I've had this discussion before and there's no evidence that it's a "fine margin". Don't forget, if we can't see the winger, then they can't either....

To extend this to its logical conclusion, would you rather be the visible or the invisible team?
 

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As per most years, both kits look nice, but not enough for me to spend £50 on
 

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Sorry, and what is the evidence base for stating that.
Without searching for the evidence, I believe that a block of a single colour has an advantage. This Carbon Black (or dark grey to everyone else) provides a single block, while the amount of red on the home kit is a significant marker, too. If we're relying on a Ferguson rant, with following excuse, as the evidence, I'm not sure it holds water.
 

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We should all know by now we get likes and dislikes every season when the new kit comes out.

I like both kits especially the away shirt, which I have preordered. I like it as it’s not lairy.

You definitely can not compare it to the Man Utd grey.

I just hope the club have enough stock to meet demand, especially for the kids kits for Xmas. If you’re planning for Xmas, I would order now!
 

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Home kit's nice, Away kit's awful. Sad considering I loved both "Away kits" last season.
Same for me, Away kit looks like a cheap Primark top, also loved last years Away Kits, especially the Black, it looked really smart, would have looked better this year with the red trim rather than yellow, Goalkeepers kit bland and uninspiring, still I go to the match to watch football and not a fashion show.
 

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“Visual perspective disadvantage”

What a load of old cobblers.
 

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The away strip last year was very different , a very dark colour brightly contrasted with very bright yellow on the shirt, on the shorts and with the socks. This is likely to give some visual perspective advantage, whereas all grey with no colour contrast on a grey, wet day is the worst possible colour. What, albeit limited, evidence there is from sports psychology would support this. In a year where there will be some loss of home advantage , then every bit of away adantage will be especially important.
I will say again, all the evidence is that what you suggest is non-existent.

And that, if you can "disappear" then the opposition have move of a problem than you.
 

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From the video it looks like someone is sat in my seat :very angry:
 

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Anyone heard anything about the sizing. Do they come up small like last year's kits?
 

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Rather like the home shirt, especially the black detailing to break up the stripes, Not keen on the away kit, watching the stream and to me it is very "Good from a far, but far from good". Looks like a pyjama set as opposed to a football kit.
 

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The away strip last year was very different , a very dark colour brightly contrasted with very bright yellow on the shirt, on the shorts and with the socks. This is likely to give some visual perspective advantage, whereas all grey with no colour contrast on a grey, wet day is the worst possible colour. What, albeit limited, evidence there is from sports psychology would support this. In a year where there will be some loss of home advantage , then every bit of away adantage will be especially important.
Can you link to any of this evidence you keep referring to please?
 

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Away Kit is fine!

Looks good Being worn at WHUFC.
 

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Chelsea don't play in an all blue home kit as Gullit changed to white socks in 1994/95 to aid 'visual identity', did the same at Newcastle so either he has a white sock fetish or he's onto something.

The grey away kit's bailed out by having loud red socks, wouldn't be a good choice if it was all slate grey. Hope they'll team it with white socks when they play away at Barnsley, 'boro, etc.
 

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Hope they'll team it with white socks when they play away at Barnsley, 'boro, etc.
Or get last year's yellow socks out. Plus like I said yesterday, we'll need alternate shorts for games at Preston etc...
@redsbee I can (or can't) see what you mean after watching that first half, very difficult to tell how we played, could barely see them :rolleyes:

As I mention when this nonsense comes up EVERY year, remember when Chelsea and Man City etc tried bright neon away kits for a while? Didn't work, didn't matter. If someone HAD found that there was a real advantage here, all kits would be fluorescent. But there isn't. It's your bugbear, but I'm afraid it's "just you" on this...
 
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'perceptive' sorry. You obviously have no interest in science/pyschology judging by your 'erudite' reply.
Chelsea don't play in an all blue home kit as Gullit changed to white socks in 1994/95 to aid 'visual identity', did the same at Newcastle so either he has a white sock fetish or he's onto .
Served him well at Newcastle
 

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Chelsea have always played in white socks haven't they?
 

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Chelsea don't play in an all blue home kit as Gullit changed to white socks in 1994/95 to aid 'visual identity', did the same at Newcastle so either he has a white sock fetish or he's onto something.

The grey away kit's bailed out by having loud red socks, wouldn't be a good choice if it was all slate grey. Hope they'll team it with white socks when they play away at Barnsley, 'boro, etc.
Seems you’re wrong.

We can’t always be right.
 

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Seems you’re wrong.

We can’t always be right.
Chelsea play in an all blue kit for a decade, Gullit explains why they've changed to white socks, (citing player visual identity reasons).

Explain to us all what part of my original post was factually incorrect?
 

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Chelsea play in an all blue kit for a decade, Gullit explains why they've changed to white socks, (citing player visual identity reasons).

Explain to us all what part of my original post was factually incorrect?
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White socks 1992/93 :shrug:

Was that Gullit’s decision too?
 

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Glad to see that antennae of yours is still functioning after all this time............
That's an odd way of saying "sorry, you got me, I was wrong on that one"?
 

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Why no red socks today. On back order, or the away socks are really grey?
 

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The Grey/Carbon/Whatever didn't look as bad as I thought on the TV, but what happened to the red socks?, it looked so grey, dull & boring today without them, would have liked to see the red pipping on shirts a bit wider, could hardly see it at all, a difficult subject as you can't please everyone.
 

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The Grey/Carbon/Whatever didn't look as bad as I thought on the TV, but what happened to the red socks?, it looked so grey, dull & boring today without them, would have liked to see the red pipping on shirts a bit wider, could hardly see it at all, a difficult subject as you can't please everyone.
Nothing to distract from our dazzling play, then?
 

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Surely if "visual perceptive disadvantage" or whatever was a real thing it's exactly the sort of thing we would be taking into account... The fact we still have that kit suggests here's nothing in it.
 

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All this "It's a bit, insert any other team that plays in red and white stripes".

:rolleyes:

Red and white stripes is are colours, what did you expect?
 

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Nonsense. Look at the evidence there is, although I agree it is limited. A comparison with fluorescent colours has never been made. I think there might be a useful sports psychology PhD in all this, co-operating with visual science. It didn't look too bad, other than very bland yesterday, but that was in bright summer light. Just wait for the away winter games on a dark, gloomy, rainy winters day in the North, and maybe you'll appreciate my concerns a little more.
Or get last year's yellow socks out. Plus like I said yesterday, we'll need alternate shorts for games at Preston etc...

@redsbee I can (or can't) see what you mean after watching that first half, very difficult to tell how we played, could barely see them :rolleyes:

As I mention when this nonsense comes up EVERY year, remember when Chelsea and Man City etc tried bright neon away kits for a while? Didn't work, didn't matter. If someone HAD found that there was a real advantage here, all kits would be fluorescent. But there isn't. It's your bugbear, but I'm afraid it's "just you" on this...
 

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Like the home kit.

The away kit was originally all white - just got mixed up with a dark colour in the washing machine.

The camouflage grey effect also works to our advantage.

No competition will notice us getting down the wings on a dark winter’s afternoon.
 

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The marginal effect is almost certainly with the players. Last season, they expressed a preference for the blue kit, so I'm sure they will have been consulted on this season's changes, ultimately, it is with them. The additional sales from a shirt that is not a garish poster won't go amiss, though.
 
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All this "It's a bit, insert any other team that plays in red and white stripes".

:rolleyes:

Red and white stripes is are colours, what did you expect?
Yep! If there’s not enough black, people moan it looks like a Stoke kit. If there is black they moan it looks like Sheff Utd, Southampton, Sunderland etc
 
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It would be very interesting to know how the decision is made. I suspect it will be predominantly commercial, perhaps involving the sponsor's views on how shirt colour may enhance the perception of their logo, although more likely for far more trivial reasons. For those interested in the evidence base for possible colour advantage in sport, which may actually be more to do with psychology than visual perceptive advantage (unclear), then there is a review article, with bibliography, by a lecturer in sport and fitness entitled "The colour of success: Can uniform colour impact on team success." One good bit of news, although in retrospect it doesn't appear to have benefited our team so much, is that wearing red may advantage the penalty taker.
On a final note (I promise!) I suspect that the all grey kit will not be all that popular amongst fans, although perhaps more so for their non-football enthusiastic partners, given the less garish appearance when donned as casual wear.
A GPG poll on the popularity of choice of away kits since we have been in the Championship might be revealing. The supporters are for life (mainly) and certainly in my 61 years and the players transitional. Shouldn't the voice of the supporters carry some weight in this regard? It has with other clubs in the past (recently Cardiff City). Unfortunately, I don't have the IT expertise to try and set up a poll. Might anyone kindly volunteer?
The marginal effect is almost certainly with the players. Last season, they expressed a preference for the blue kit, so I'm sure they will have been consulted on this season's changes, ultimately, it is with them. The additional sales from a shirt that is not a garish poster won't go amiss, though.
 

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A GPG poll on the popularity of choice of away kits since we have been in the Championship might be revealing
The GPG is not representative of the fan base and sales are the best poll.
 

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The GPG is not representative of the fan base and sales are the best poll.

Sales will be very biased to the team's success each year, especially at the start of the season eg last year not at all good, but I suppose we've ended up fairly evenly each year. I don't suppose the club would release data on sales. The GPG must be fairly representative of the most committed fans and I think it would be interesting to know how relatively popular the last few away kits, including the commemorative kit, have been. Is there going to be a third kit this season? The concept of switching sock colour from red to white or yellow, as suggested by a fellow GPGer earlier, for away games vs teams with red socks seems eminently sensible.
 

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