A Question Re - Women's Football

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Now. I was out and about last night and there was a women's football match on the telly. I was quite surprised! Back in the 70's/early 80's when I was at my footballing peak and very nearly made it (but Dodgin didn't reply to my letters), girls joining in with football was seen as nothing more than a pain in the arse. You would only let them play under sufferance and under great duress (e.g. the girl in question was your sister and your mum ordered you to let her play). But last night's game was different. Not once did I hear a complaint that another player was kicking it too hard. Neither goalkeeperess tried to get a goal disallowed on the grounds that she wasn't ready. And although I probably only saw 15-20 minutes of the game and was somewhat distracted by other matters, I'm fairly certain that at no time during this period did an outfield player pick the ball up and run with it.

So here's my question. A quick Google tells me that USA are the best girl's football team in the world. How far down the league or pyramid do you reckon you would have to go before you found the level where these girls could give the boys a tonking? I haven't a clue, just wondered what your thoughts are?



If there is another thread covering this you have my apologies, but my search didn't find it, just lots of ancient threads asking me to start a new one :shrug:.
 

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Now. I was out and about last night and there was a women's football match on the telly. I was quite surprised! Back in the 70's/early 80's when I was at my footballing peak and very nearly made it (but Dodgin didn't reply to my letters), girls joining in with football was seen as nothing more than a pain in the arse. You would only let them play under sufferance and under great duress (e.g. the girl in question was your sister and your mum ordered you to let her play). But last night's game was different. Not once did I hear a complaint that another player was kicking it too hard. Neither goalkeeperess tried to get a goal disallowed on the grounds that she wasn't ready. And although I probably only saw 15-20 minutes of the game and was somewhat distracted by other matters, I'm fairly certain that at no time during this period did an outfield player pick the ball up and run with it.

So here's my question. A quick Google tells me that USA are the best girl's football team in the world. How far down the league or pyramid do you reckon you would have to go before you found the level where these girls could give the boys a tonking? I haven't a clue, just wondered what your thoughts are?



If there is another thread covering this you have my apologies, but my search didn't find it, just lots of ancient threads asking me to start a new one :shrug:.
Www.fulhamwfc.co.uk/womensteamthrash mensteamtennil

Apparently Magath's lot lost 10-0 in a training ground match with the Fulham women's team. Ross McCormack got a full ninety minutes under his belt.
 

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Coached a lot of womens football and this question comes up a lot. The biggest difference is power and with it, the pace of the game. There is a tendency for those immersed in womens football to overrate it as the technical element is good and the football pleasing on the eye, but if you then watch even a good level of amateur (as opposed to semi pro football) something like Southern Amatuer League or Essex Olympian you realise just how much quicker the game is. My lot (playing at the time in the second tier of English womens football) trained at the same times Conference South/Ryman side with half an astro each at no point did it ever seem worthwhile playing a game as they would have totally mullered us.
A top womens international side like USA or Japan would in my mind struggle to beat anything from Combined Counties upwards.
 

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I've actually wondered that as well, what is the standard?

The teams at the top of women's football Premier League, what English men's division would they be even against? Obviously not the top (the resources in Men's football are so much greater the development of player's would be hard to probably ever match) so I'm curious too. I actually watched about 10 mins of Eng V Wales Women on TV last night when England scored twice, HT was 4-0.
 
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Coached a lot of womens football and this question comes up a lot. The biggest difference is power and with it, the pace of the game. There is a tendency for those immersed in womens football to overrate it as the technical element is good and the football pleasing on the eye, but if you then watch even a good level of amateur (as opposed to semi pro football) something like Southern Amatuer League or Essex Olympian you realise just how much quicker the game is. My lot (playing at the time in the second tier of English womens football) trained at the same times Conference South/Ryman side with half an astro each at no point did it ever seem worthwhile playing a game as they would have totally mullered us.
A top womens international side like USA or Japan would in my mind struggle to beat anything from Combined Counties upwards.
Would be an interesting experiment though I reckon. To pitch the World's best women's team against some blokes from Combined Counties and see what happens. If they win or compete, move up a level at a time till we see where they're at. :shrug:
 

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I've coached some girls teams and the girls can give the boys a decent game up to the age of about 10/11. After this the boys get stronger and quicker and start to run rings around mist if the girls. You get the odd girl who can keep up and this generally impresses the boys.
 

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My missus played women's football at a fairly good level a few years back. The girls challenged the men's vets team at their club to a match. The vets were really a vets team with no one under 40 and several well over 50. The average age of the women's team was around 23.
The "old geezers " just strolled around passing the ball and making the young women run all over the place,the vets ran out easy 5-2 winners.
 

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From the women's games I've seen on TV (internationals) I'd say that skill-wise, they would on average be around the level of upper non-league (some better than that). But physique would mean that men's teams much lower down the pyramid would probably beat them by out-muscling them, unless the ref really clamped down on that side of the game
 

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do they still do the thing where they take little stuttery-steps before actually kicking the ball?

do they have any decent keepers yet? not including the American lass who's up on domestic violence charges :eek: (her name's Han Solo, so is she really saving those balls, or just using The Force :suspect: )

many thanks to difford btw for his sensible contribution to the discussion :sorted:
 

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Would be an interesting experiment though I reckon. To pitch the World's best women's team against some blokes from Combined Counties and see what happens. If they win or compete, move up a level at a time till we see where they're at. :shrug:
Would be an interesting experiment, but I suspect the likely outcome would only lead to large numbers decrying the value of the women's game as a result.

Personally I thought it good to see BBC3 getting behind the sport and frankly the ladies do not have much to live up to in Canada if we're comparing to the chaps performance in Brazil.
 

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from,what I've seen on tv I'd say it's Sunday standard at best....and the keepers even worse
 

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TBH, it seems to me after watching a fair number of games that the top teams are at about the level of 1960s football (though the goalies and most of the heading are below that standard. A lot of skill by the top players, but even the top teams have about 7-8 really good players and 3-4 who are not very good but fittish (in a health way, not a looks way)
 

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I reckon even the feeblest Womens team could have beaten the Bees team that lost 4-1 to Bristol City in the 92/93 relegation season
 

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Almost two years ago, the swedish national team, ladies that is, played a friendly against a boys17-team from AIK...the B17 won 3-0.
 

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One thing I havw suggested in the past would be to get the woment's national team playing regular fixtures against teams from the 8th or 9th tier of the pyramid, when they are able to compete regularly then move them up a level. If you could get the women's national team up to Conference standard they would be pretty hard to beat at any of the major women's tournaments.

BTW what is it with the BBC's obsession with women's football? If the attendances are anything to go by (think the women's premier league average around 700 a game) there really is very little public interest in it.
 

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BTW what is it with the BBC's obsession with women's football? If the attendances are anything to go by (think the women's premier league average around 700 a game) there really is very little public interest in it.
Without TV it will never grow. More TV = more public interest.
Well done to the BBC
 

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