Andreas Georgson - Set Piece & Individual Development Coach (Gone to Arsenal)

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ISTR that more goals are scored by the defending team than the attacking one from set pieces. Perhaps that’s where we should focus.

I’ve heard that multiple times but never seen anything to back it up. I expect it’s a myth.
 

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I’ve heard that multiple times but never seen anything to back it up. I expect it’s a myth.

Probably but I can think of many times we've managed to give a goal away from our own corner or free kick on the edge of their box!
 

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Probably but I can think of many times we've managed to give a goal away from our own corner or free kick on the edge of their box!

Absolutely but I think that’s just because they stick in the memory eg away at Derby and Swansea last season.

We also scored from set pieces against, off the top of my head, Birmingham, Swansea, Preston, Derby...
 

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We also scored from set pieces against, off the top of my head, Birmingham, Swansea, Preston, Derby...

I don’t recall seeing your name on the team sheet, let alone the fact that you weren’t given credit for the goals. 😂
 

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Probably but I can think of many times we've managed to give a goal away from our own corner or free kick on the edge of their box!

Generally because we made it fkin easy for teams by having no-one with pace far back enough to defend a pacey counter.
 

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A few more far post headers from corners by our defenders wouldn't go amiss......mind you, we need to deliver a good corner first!
 

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ISTR that more goals are scored by the defending team than the attacking one from set pieces. Perhaps that’s where we should focus.

Does this mean own goals or am I not understanding?
 

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Needs to have an impact.

11 corners today. 3 big centre backs to aim for plus our attackers. Not once did we look like scoring.
 

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Needs to have an impact.

11 corners today. 3 big centre backs to aim for plus our attackers. Not once did we look like scoring.

If I were him,assuming it hasn't happened already, in the near future i would be asking for the footage of every set piece in every game this season
 

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Once again our corners were poor. Only one looked vaguely dangerous. Again we couldn't clear the first defender. I'm also confused by the long debates that now take place, when we have a free kick. Two or three of our players will spend an age discussing what needs to be done. Then we just feck it up anyway. Looks like we haven't got a clue what to do.
 

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Is there really any point in having a set piece coach?
Attacking.
1. Free kick on on edge of area or within shooting distance. Just get it on target. Practice technique on your own.

2. Longer range and corners. With the usual melee in the box, the outcome is pot luck.
Practice delivery.

Defending.
1. Wall as directed by keeper.

2. As above.

This just leaves something innovative that causes commentator to say: “That’s a training ground move.” Can only be used occasionally.

As to thinking too much about 2 especially - the golfers amongst you will be familiar with the phrase: “Paralysis by analysis.”
 

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Copy of a Email sent to me ( sorry for the translation) the guys done his best .It makes interesting reading re our Set Piece Coach


Brentford dropped his expert on permanent situations to Manchester City.
Malmö FF's Andreas Georgson was then hired to focus on offensive fasting.
In 13 matches, the team has scored nine goals there.

Brentford has been highlighted in recent years as one of England's most innovative clubs, where fixed situations are one of six pillars of trying to reach the Premier League. They were the first to hire permanent situations-guru Gianni Vio, and this summer they dropped expert Nicolas Jover to Manchester City.

They replaced Jover with Andreas Georgson from Malmö FF. He became assistant coach with an extra focus on offensive solid situations and individual player development. Defensive fasting is managed by another assistant, Brian Riemer, and Brentford is the best in the Championship with the least number of goals scored and they allow the least number of goals.

However, they had to wait for Georgson's thoughts on the offensive because he wanted to finish the MFF season. The opening 15 games made Brentford just one goal ahead.
- They were really trying to push me to come in July when we agreed, and then to come in September, but neither I nor Malmö felt that it would be good, says Georgson to Fotboll Skåne.
- They had distributed the offensive responsibility to several people during the 15 matches. The head coach usually says jokingly that he was not good enough at it.

Georgson was also the one who made the preparations for offensive solid situations in Malmö FF 2019, but there it was Uwe Rösler who drove the reviews and feedback.
- I had a plan for how I wanted to do it. This is to see if it was possible to get maximum effect. That process I had not really got to run in MFF the way I wanted to do it, but there is nothing strange about it. Uwe was good at it. Here in Brentford they were clear with "this is your area".

Under Georgson's lead, there have been nine goals on fixed situations in 13 league matches, excluding penalties and including second-ball games. This despite the fact that Brentford is not a particularly tall team, but the team's latest starting eleven had an average length of 182 centimeters. This is the average length of an Allsvensk startelva.

He mentions several reasons why things have gone so well. The first thing he did was create a clear structure and pull down the amount of information. The players felt that there were big and scattered plans in the past.
- Organization, timing, and service are 95 percent of every fixed situation. It's not about any magic routines. It's about finding the weaknesses of your opponents and your own strength, and making sure that the three parts are as good as possible.

There were also goals in the first match on a fixed situation, which created success. In addition, the team generally fared better and the confidence of the players increased, which infected themselves in fixed situations.

On Saturday, there was a 3-1 win in the derby against Queens Park Rangers, where QPR's coaches said after the game that they lost because of Brentford's stuck situations. One of the goals came after a variant that was previously used by MFF, and which Markus Rosenberg scored against Dynamo Kiev.
- We tested it a number of times in Malmö when I was there. We were also very close to goals against Djurgården and in another match.
- Another thing from MFF is that we brought here the whole organization that Uwe had taken to Malmö. It's a little different. We are difficult to read and good at catching other balls.

After an uneven start to the season, Brentford is now in third place in the Championship, with the league statistically the best defensive and second best offensive.
 

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Well, I think he's brilliant and that Man City have employed the wrong bloke. Superb impact.
 

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What is an Allsvensk startelva? In the context of how it's been used I keeping thinking it might an analogy, the same as we might say you can fit x number of football pitches inside of it or the equivalent of y Olympic sized swimming pools. Maybe it means on average Brentford players are no taller than a Narwhal's tusk?
 

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Is there really any point in having a set piece coach?
Attacking.
1. Free kick on on edge of area or within shooting distance. Just get it on target. Practice technique on your own.

2. Longer range and corners. With the usual melee in the box, the outcome is pot luck.
Practice delivery.

Defending.
1. Wall as directed by keeper.

2. As above.

This just leaves something innovative that causes commentator to say: “That’s a training ground move.” Can only be used occasionally.

As to thinking too much about 2 especially - the golfers amongst you will be familiar with the phrase: “Paralysis by analysis.”

Have you left out the fishing rod ;)
Can’t quite agree with you on this one if you haven’t.
Not all the moves will come off by any means. However take the last game as an example, if you look at the first goal v QPR. Said knew exactly where the ball was going and moved just as it was struck to an area he knew it would delivered. The same with the third if you watch it. Pinnock moved just as the kick was taken to an area he knew where the ball was going to be delivered. We had two players in the correct position to receive his header, if Watkins had missed it Dalsgaard would have put it in. IMHO these are not random events, these are training ground moves and our corners and free kicks have definitely improved and borne more goals than last season. I would have thought there’s many positives to take than to disregard our new set piece coach involvement In creating more goal scoring opportunities.
 

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What is an Allsvensk startelva? In the context of how it's been used I keeping thinking it might an analogy, the same as we might say you can fit x number of football pitches inside of it or the equivalent of y Olympic sized swimming pools. Maybe it means on average Brentford players are no taller than a Narwhal's tusk?

He’s fathomed it all out?
 

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Have you left out the fishing rod ;)
Can’t quite agree with you on this one if you haven’t.
Not all the moves will come off by any means. However take the last game as an example, if you look at the first goal v QPR. Said knew exactly where the ball was going and moved just as it was struck to an area he knew it would delivered. The same with the third if you watch it. Pinnock moved just as the kick was taken to an area he knew where the ball was going to be delivered. We had two players in the correct position to receive his header, if Watkins had missed it Dalsgaard would have put it in. IMHO these are not random events, these are training ground moves and our corners and free kicks have definitely improved and borne more goals than last season. I would have thought there’s many positives to take than to disregard our new set piece coach involvement In creating more goal scoring opportunities.


Agreed. What I didnt notice was any kind of signal from the free kick takers as to what they planned. I am sure from the first free kick there were a number of routines that Jensen could have used, How did Said know to make the run on this occasion? 2nd free kick was perhaps more obvious, except he could have gone left to Henrik
 

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Agreed. What I didnt notice was any kind of signal from the free kick takers as to what they planned. I am sure from the first free kick there were a number of routines that Jensen could have used, How did Said know to make the run on this occasion? 2nd free kick was perhaps more obvious, except he could have gone left to Henrik
There does seem to be a moment of eye contact early on, when Jensen is just settling the ball and taking his time. My guess is that he sees the key player communicating to the others who will be involved and then get's the OK. In the case of Saïd's goal, Henrik is looking to block his marker, so there does seem to be an understanding of what is going on and what the roles are. What makes that one special is the swerve Mathias puts on the ball, so even its initial movement is deceptive and the defenders on the near post don't move.
 

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I know the Sky team had the benefit of Sam Saunders on Saturday, when they immediately said ‘Straight from the training ground !’, but it didn’t take that much working out. I’m paralysed by Belvedere’s analysis though.
 

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I know the Sky team had the benefit of Sam Saunders on Saturday, when they immediately said ‘Straight from the training ground !’, but it didn’t take that much working out. I’m paralysed by Belvedere’s analysis though.

Frank said it was a routine that they had practiced previously and not specifically for this game. He seemed pleased they'd brought it out of the "locker". Cliche alert!!

I can't understand how any supporter could not see the amazing impact this coach has had. Prior to his appointment, our set plays were appalling and I said so on here. Now, we look so dangerous and look like we'll score from any delivery into the box.
 

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There does seem to be a moment of eye contact early on, when Jensen is just settling the ball and taking his time. My guess is that he sees the key player communicating to the others who will be involved and then get's the OK. In the case of Saïd's goal, Henrik is looking to block his marker, so there does seem to be an understanding of what is going on and what the roles are. What makes that one special is the swerve Mathias puts on the ball, so even its initial movement is deceptive and the defenders on the near post don't move.

Its also a pinpoint pass....he didnt have much margin for error cos the QPR player on the edge of the box didnt follow Josh's run but actually closed the gap slightly
 

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Frank said it was a routine that they had practiced previously and not specifically for this game. He seemed pleased they'd brought it out of the "locker". Cliche alert!!

I can't understand how any supporter could not see the amazing impact this coach has had. Prior to his appointment, our set plays were appalling and I said so on here. Now, we look so dangerous and look like we'll score from any delivery into the box.

Can he stop them hitting the first man 50% of the time however. Only then will Zen have been achieved.
 

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What is an Allsvensk startelva? In the context of how it's been used I keeping thinking it might an analogy, the same as we might say you can fit x number of football pitches inside of it or the equivalent of y Olympic sized swimming pools. Maybe it means on average Brentford players are no taller than a Narwhal's tusk?

99% sure it means "the starting XI of a Swedish top division team"

great piece, thanks for sharing Del. the translation is entertaining too :D

we do a lot of sneaky stuff - it's great to see! i love that replay of the first that shows Wells alive to it but he just checks himself for a moment, and that's all that was needed. it was also quite lucky to squeeze through! but vital - to be fair, we didn't start that well, but obviously we went on leaps and bounds after bagging the opener :sorted:

the third goal, Pontus and Ollie both wander offside but cleverly, and they're nicely in line for the second ball.

i loved the one recently too (Swansea i think) where Pinnock headed back in - someone got a great angle on it from the Braemar, you can see Pontus and Henrik (i think) doing a classic basketball play, the "elevator doors" - Pinnock slips through the gap between them that then closes, blocking his marker and giving him a free header which he steers back across to Bryan. brilliant.
 

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Watch out for free kick taker holding ball aloft just before taking. Used in B team game. Not that the free kick came to owt.
 

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99% sure it means "the starting XI of a Swedish top division team"

great piece, thanks for sharing Del. the translation is entertaining too :D

we do a lot of sneaky stuff - it's great to see! i love that replay of the first that shows Wells alive to it but he just checks himself for a moment, and that's all that was needed. it was also quite lucky to squeeze through! but vital - to be fair, we didn't start that well, but obviously we went on leaps and bounds after bagging the opener :sorted:

the third goal, Pontus and Ollie both wander offside but cleverly, and they're nicely in line for the second ball.

i loved the one recently too (Swansea i think) where Pinnock headed back in - someone got a great angle on it from the Braemar, you can see Pontus and Henrik (i think) doing a classic basketball play, the "elevator doors" - Pinnock slips through the gap between them that then closes, blocking his marker and giving him a free header which he steers back across to Bryan. brilliant.

Yep we both noticed the Swansea one at the time.
 

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99% sure it means "the starting XI of a Swedish top division team"

great piece, thanks for sharing Del. the translation is entertaining too :D

we do a lot of sneaky stuff - it's great to see! i love that replay of the first that shows Wells alive to it but he just checks himself for a moment, and that's all that was needed. it was also quite lucky to squeeze through! but vital - to be fair, we didn't start that well, but obviously we went on leaps and bounds after bagging the opener :sorted:

the third goal, Pontus and Ollie both wander offside but cleverly, and they're nicely in line for the second ball.

i loved the one recently too (Swansea i think) where Pinnock headed back in - someone got a great angle on it from the Braemar, you can see Pontus and Henrik (i think) doing a classic basketball play, the "elevator doors" - Pinnock slips through the gap between them that then closes, blocking his marker and giving him a free header which he steers back across to Bryan. brilliant.

We are so big on the blocking, slight holding corners now - with Dalsgaard, Pinnock and Pontus we have the height to cause havoc and we are. Desperate to see Pinnock/Pontus score a winner!
 

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We are so big on the blocking, slight holding corners now - with Dalsgaard, Pinnock and Pontus we have the height to cause havoc and we are. Desperate to see Pinnock/Pontus score a winner!

If Pontus only scores one goal this season please let it be against Leeds!!
 

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Agreed. What I didnt notice was any kind of signal from the free kick takers as to what they planned. I am sure from the first free kick there were a number of routines that Jensen could have used, How did Said know to make the run on this occasion? 2nd free kick was perhaps more obvious, except he could have gone left to Henrik

The hand jester is from said to Jensen.
 

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Surely our best goal return for many years from set pieces??
 

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Is he in charge of throw ins as well? I feel we are very poor in this area! Far too slow compared to all other aspects of our game.
 

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Is he in charge of throw ins as well? I feel we are very poor in this area! Far too slow compared to all other aspects of our game.

100% agree with this, we don't seem to have much movement for throws and always looking for difficult balls which often we lose. Maybe it's the high risk/high reward method.
 

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Is he in charge of throw ins as well? I feel we are very poor in this area! Far too slow compared to all other aspects of our game.

our throw ins against leeds were abysmal! The amount of times we gave the ball away. It was a lesson in how not to keep possession when under pressure. I thought we had a separate throw in coach didn't we?
 
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