Andreas Georgson - Set Piece & Individual Development Coach (Gone to Arsenal)

Status
Not open for further replies.

grandad85

Member
Joined
11 Apr 2006
Messages
343
Reaction score
28
Location
ashford
Does this guy work with said or just the guys in the box? Said’s set pieces are awful
 

upnorthbee

Active member
Joined
3 Jan 2006
Messages
1,929
Reaction score
701
Location
Singapore
Not surprised to see this thread opened after that, I was quite shocked at how poor set pieces were last night. You have one job Andreas! lol
 

Beefletch

Active member
Joined
25 Jul 2007
Messages
1,746
Reaction score
57
Does this guy work with said or just the guys in the box? Said’s set pieces are awful
I think the answer to your question has to be a resounding “NO” unless the 3 corner routine where the first 2 hit the first defender & the 3rd one is fired into the side netting is practiced !?
 

whyteleafebee76

Active member
Joined
17 Mar 2011
Messages
7,827
Reaction score
49
Location
Selsdon
Does this guy work with said or just the guys in the box? Said’s set pieces are awful

If Said fails to clear the first man or drills it into the side netting that is nothing to do with the set piece coach and everything to do with poor/lazy delivery by Said. Simple as that.
 

Ruislip_Rich

Active member
Joined
28 Dec 2010
Messages
2,043
Reaction score
470
Location
Ruislip
If Said fails to clear the first man or drills it into the side netting that is nothing to do with the set piece coach and everything to do with poor/lazy delivery by Said. Simple as that.

Spot on mate.
Maybe more people might start to realise how important Matty Jensen is to us now.
 

Nada Bee

Well-known member
Joined
10 Aug 2001
Messages
18,751
Reaction score
1,178
Location
Aveley
If Said fails to clear the first man or drills it into the side netting that is nothing to do with the set piece coach and everything to do with poor/lazy delivery by Said. Simple as that.

Yep, i wonder what he does it training when he stays behind - what he should be doing is taking corners and free kicks - not how many kick ups can i do whilst holding an egg and reciting shakespear. (not a guarantee).

Beckham used to practise for hours after, thats what you need to do.
 

Invipai

Active member
Joined
29 Jul 2011
Messages
7,323
Reaction score
787
Location
Ealing, London
Well it's not as if it's the first instance of people overreacting in the last week....we're becoming quite unpleasant when we lose I'm finding. Our set pieces have improved massively under him though, however you measure a Set Piece Coach over a period of games, not just one or two where we didn't score.

Our best deliveries are Jensen and Marcondes, neither of whom started yesterday. We need to get back on track but let's not blame this guy.
 

pensioner

Member
Joined
10 Oct 2010
Messages
629
Reaction score
33
Location
brentford
Just to change subject away from last night....Don't think I'll ever be a footy coach but question why....going back to the Blackburn game, when we had a corner, said didn't take them, but stood very nearby only few feet in from side touchline...... Why position there and be so far out from the action . If he is the wizard we admire so much, why is he not moving around, just inside the box ,where he would be a menace and occupying The minds of probably two defenders, and possibly creating a penalty...why are the main attackers invariably jostling around the keeper..... it's all so predictable....apparently the stats on goals from corners is low.so why persist with orthodox style hoof into box......just asking you experts, how would you do corners.
 

Mr Cynical

Well-known member
Joined
1 Jul 2000
Messages
14,413
Reaction score
3,661
Location
London
Not surprised to see this thread opened after that, I was quite shocked at how poor set pieces were last night. You have one job Andreas! lol

We very nearly scored from one at the death though? Pinnock with a free header off the line.
 

Mr Cynical

Well-known member
Joined
1 Jul 2000
Messages
14,413
Reaction score
3,661
Location
London
Just to change subject away from last night....Don't think I'll ever be a footy coach but question why....going back to the Blackburn game, when we had a corner, said didn't take them, but stood very nearby only few feet in from side touchline...... Why position there and be so far out from the action . If he is the wizard we admire so much, why is he not moving around, just inside the box ,where he would be a menace and occupying The minds of probably two defenders, and possibly creating a penalty...why are the main attackers invariably jostling around the keeper..... it's all so predictable....apparently the stats on goals from corners is low.so why persist with orthodox style hoof into box......just asking you experts, how would you do corners.

presumably it's to draw players out from the box to cover if we go short?
 

gbems92

Active member
Joined
14 Jan 2014
Messages
8,360
Reaction score
581
Not surprised to see this thread opened after that, I was quite shocked at how poor set pieces were last night. You have one job Andreas! lol

He can make the most intelligent and thought out routines in the world, he cant account for one of the most talented players in the league hitting the first man time and time again
 

mhead bee

Well-known member
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
26,333
Reaction score
2,377
Location
Maidenhead
How can the coach take the blame for a sh*t delivery. Said is supposed to be the best player ever to have played for us, if three corners fail to make the penalty area then what is the coach supposed to do, take it himself.

The movement and the inventiveness is what he is there for, he has to rely on the person who delivers it to do that and up until the last few games our set pieces have been excellent.

Currently we have several players off form and said is one of them. Every recent free kick he Thad taken has hit the wall, other people need to be given a chance. We also need to keep going with them until the delivery improves. Said and jenson deliver a great ball most of the time.
 

TG51

Member
Joined
23 Mar 2013
Messages
156
Reaction score
29
Yes there has been some poor delivery from corners and free kicks but it is clear that some of our new routines are working. Ethan Pinnock as an obvious example often backs away from goal at back post and achieves an attempt on goal. This is new and successful in achieving a strong attempt in goal regularly. He has had several well saved or blocked on line.
 

JANORAK

Active member
Joined
14 Nov 2003
Messages
5,974
Reaction score
522
Location
A goal kick from Harrow Borough FC
Yes there has been some poor delivery from corners and free kicks but it is clear that some of our new routines are working. Ethan Pinnock as an obvious example often backs away from goal at back post and achieves an attempt on goal. This is new and successful in achieving a strong attempt in goal regularly. He has had several well saved or blocked on line.

Otherwise known as ‘going back across’ or, ‘putting it back in the mid’. 1 x goal and 3 x assists according to the BBC.
 

Beecareful

Member
Joined
7 Jan 2020
Messages
324
Reaction score
129
Going to Arsenal? I'm putting 2+2 and making 10. But Arsenal are negotiating a set ball specialist coach. Recommended by our ex keeper coach?
 

jbee

Active member
Joined
22 Oct 2003
Messages
4,314
Reaction score
1,105
Location
Ealing
Going to Arsenal? I'm putting 2+2 and making 10. But Arsenal are negotiating a set ball specialist coach. Recommended by our ex keeper coach?

He's hardly been here five minutes and barely overlapped with Inaki Cana. I'm sure there are more and more set piece coaches knocking about.
 
Joined
23 May 2000
Messages
18,204
Reaction score
1,214
Our set pieces have been appalling lately. A massive improvement hoped for on Wednesday please.
 

swr22

Active member
Joined
12 Jan 2001
Messages
2,868
Reaction score
208
Location
Barnet
Our set pieces have been appalling lately. A massive improvement hoped for on Wednesday please.

It does seem like "spin Pinnock out to the back post" is kind of the plan. You'd think that opposition scouting folk might have cottoned onto it too by now.
 

grutter

Active member
Joined
27 Aug 2011
Messages
7,348
Reaction score
394
Our set pieces have been appalling lately. A massive improvement hoped for on Wednesday please.

I've long said that the difference between promotion and not could come down to a set piece, particularly a direct free kick. Ours are poor. Compare it with the Fulham lad who has scored this way in 3 consecutive games. Benrahma (it's normally him) barely hits the target once, let alone 3 times, let alone 3 goals that way.
 

johndub

Active member
Joined
15 Feb 2015
Messages
2,388
Reaction score
460
As great a player as Said is, free kicks are not his forte. If Marcondes is on the pitch, he should take them.
 

AB

Well-known member
Joined
12 Apr 2000
Messages
12,273
Reaction score
2,228
Location
'Sunny' Leeds
I've long said that the difference between promotion and not could come down to a set piece, particularly a direct free kick. Ours are poor. Compare it with the Fulham lad who has scored this way in 3 consecutive games. Benrahma (it's normally him) barely hits the target once, let alone 3 times, let alone 3 goals that way.

I’m sure I saw a stat that said we had the best record in the division from set pieces. They’ve certainly not been great in recent matches and I agree with others who’ve said Marcondes should be preferred over Benrahma for free kicks.
 

bees1984

Member
Joined
22 Jun 2015
Messages
876
Reaction score
214
I’m sure I saw a stat that said we had the best record in the division from set pieces. They’ve certainly not been great in recent matches and I agree with others who’ve said Marcondes should be preferred over Benrahma for free kicks.

We weren't in the top 5 for goals scored from set pieces in general. Cardiff were top but we didn't feature. Maybe different from corners as we are more direct than other set pieces
 

Frothybaby

Active member
Joined
3 Sep 2013
Messages
1,961
Reaction score
179
I would like to see BM and EM take some, as well as JdS.
 

alexinho

Member
Joined
3 Jan 2005
Messages
837
Reaction score
57
Location
Barnet-en-Haut
Has anyone else noticed that since all the papers starting waxing lyrical about now dangerous we were at set pieces we basically stopped looking like scoring from them? Corners and free kicks. So many awful decisions and pieces of technique in recent games, can't remember a shot on target from them.
 

jlove

Well-known member
Joined
17 Dec 2002
Messages
34,793
Reaction score
2,129
Location
Vaison-la-Romaine
Has anyone else noticed that since all the papers starting waxing lyrical about now dangerous we were at set pieces we basically stopped looking like scoring from them? Corners and free kicks. So many awful decisions and pieces of technique in recent games, can't remember a shot on target from them.
Other clubs' analysts quickly work them out, so more are needed.
 

TW3Bee

It was down in the Town of Northampton
Joined
26 Oct 2005
Messages
58,221
Reaction score
1,780
Location
Lampton Village
Has anyone else noticed that since all the papers starting waxing lyrical about now dangerous we were at set pieces we basically stopped looking like scoring from them? Corners and free kicks. So many awful decisions and pieces of technique in recent games, can't remember a shot on target from them.
The delivery from set pieces has been awful recently, with free kicks, and corners going straight out of play, even when they do come off teams have worked out our strategy from them.
 

kevalutonbee

Well-known member
Joined
11 Aug 2004
Messages
17,487
Reaction score
7
Location
In the wrong
Other clubs' analysts quickly work them out, so more are needed.

Its like the NFL. Teams will review opponents actions from specific formations and try to counter it.

Teams then have two choices run different plays out of the same "look" catching the opponent off guard or create a whole new set of plays that the opponent will not have seen before and therefore do not know how to counter as they have not seen that "look" before
 

hanworthbee

Well-known member
Joined
13 Jun 2005
Messages
27,925
Reaction score
353
Location
Ashford
14 goals from set pieces when you have 200 corners a season and god knows how many free kicks isn't all that imo
 

Stanley

Well-known member
Joined
10 Jan 2001
Messages
13,856
Reaction score
282
He might have worked out that Said rarely takes a good free kick
 

jbee

Active member
Joined
22 Oct 2003
Messages
4,314
Reaction score
1,105
Location
Ealing
14 goals from set pieces when you have 200 corners a season and god knows how many free kicks isn't all that imo

We probably have more corners than most as well because we tend to dominate games, and we have a lot of good headers in the team now and several who are supposed to be dead ball specialists. We should definitely do better.
 

kevalutonbee

Well-known member
Joined
11 Aug 2004
Messages
17,487
Reaction score
7
Location
In the wrong
14 goals from set pieces when you have 200 corners a season and god knows how many free kicks isn't all that imo

I bet Opta or someone has a measure on the ratio of goals scored from set pieces as a percentage of set pieces. Be interesting to see where we are compared to others
 

Bush Tuckerman

Tactical Genius
Joined
9 May 2001
Messages
3,934
Reaction score
35
Location
Sydney
The delivery from set pieces has been awful recently, with free kicks, and corners going straight out of play, even when they do come off teams have worked out our strategy from them.

Really seems like Jensen is the only one who can deliver a targeted ball.
 

gbems92

Active member
Joined
14 Jan 2014
Messages
8,360
Reaction score
581
As great a player as Said is, free kicks are not his forte. If Marcondes is on the pitch, he should take them.

Mbuemo, emiliano and said all had free kicks from decent positions last night... All of them were terrible. Wheres sammy saunders when you need him
 

kempy

Mr GPG
Joined
8 Aug 2001
Messages
4,826
Reaction score
7
Location
Lower Kingswood
Corners were shocking last night but what infuriated me more was that we had no answer to the high line Fulham played at free kicks. Having a specialist set piece coach, I'm surprised this isn't something that we have worked on. We really didn't know what the **** to do. Teams next season will know exactly how to defend against us.
 

Gee Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2001
Messages
22,714
Reaction score
217
Location
Rayleigh
14 goals from set pieces when you have 200 corners a season and god knows how many free kicks isn't all that imo

2nd best behind Birmingham. So clearly most clubs are poor at it also. Set piece coach presumably isn’t just taking them but also defending them, which we’ve massively improved upon.
 

jbee

Active member
Joined
22 Oct 2003
Messages
4,314
Reaction score
1,105
Location
Ealing
2nd best behind Birmingham. So clearly most clubs are poor at it also. Set piece coach presumably isn’t just taking them but also defending them, which we’ve massively improved upon.

Not sure, I remember the last set piece coach was just in charge of the attacking side. I think Brian handles defensive set pieces but I could be wrong. Whoever it is better tell Raya to stand closer to the goal next season.
 

HaylingBee74

Active member
Joined
8 Aug 2020
Messages
1,760
Reaction score
724
Location
Hayling Island
How about doing the Pinnock corner using someone else. Dalsgaard?
I dislike the corner where everybody has to be able to touch their goalie, that idea should be replaced with a short corner and more of a Runaround (Mike Reid style)
 

nick logan

Well-known member
Joined
6 Apr 2000
Messages
32,209
Reaction score
2,492
Location
Essex
How about doing the Pinnock corner using someone else. Dalsgaard?
I dislike the corner where everybody has to be able to touch their goalie, that idea should be replaced with a short corner and more of a Runaround (Mike Reid style)

Pontus shouting

" runaround ..... nowwwwww " lol
 

boatmonkey

Member
Joined
20 Mar 2005
Messages
182
Reaction score
55
Location
Nottingham
They should resurrect the Blissett era free kick, where the run up for the first effort first was abandoned by the Player taking the free kick, this would be followed by phoney angry protests from the rest of the players, which would be followed by the quickly taken ‘real’ kick, just as the opposition stand by watching the fake argument. A tactical master class.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom