Andreas Georgson - Set Piece & Individual Development Coach (Gone to Arsenal)
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upnorthbee
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Not surprised to see this thread opened after that, I was quite shocked at how poor set pieces were last night. You have one job Andreas! lol
I think the answer to your question has to be a resounding “NO” unless the 3 corner routine where the first 2 hit the first defender & the 3rd one is fired into the side netting is practiced !?
GP200
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...............only a month ago...............oh dear.................
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whyteleafebee76
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If Said fails to clear the first man or drills it into the side netting that is nothing to do with the set piece coach and everything to do with poor/lazy delivery by Said. Simple as that.
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Ruislip_Rich
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Spot on mate.
Maybe more people might start to realise how important Matty Jensen is to us now.
Yep, i wonder what he does it training when he stays behind - what he should be doing is taking corners and free kicks - not how many kick ups can i do whilst holding an egg and reciting shakespear. (not a guarantee).
Beckham used to practise for hours after, thats what you need to do.
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Yep.
Invipai
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Well it's not as if it's the first instance of people overreacting in the last week....we're becoming quite unpleasant when we lose I'm finding. Our set pieces have improved massively under him though, however you measure a Set Piece Coach over a period of games, not just one or two where we didn't score.
Our best deliveries are Jensen and Marcondes, neither of whom started yesterday. We need to get back on track but let's not blame this guy.
Our best deliveries are Jensen and Marcondes, neither of whom started yesterday. We need to get back on track but let's not blame this guy.
Just to change subject away from last night....Don't think I'll ever be a footy coach but question why....going back to the Blackburn game, when we had a corner, said didn't take them, but stood very nearby only few feet in from side touchline...... Why position there and be so far out from the action . If he is the wizard we admire so much, why is he not moving around, just inside the box ,where he would be a menace and occupying The minds of probably two defenders, and possibly creating a penalty...why are the main attackers invariably jostling around the keeper..... it's all so predictable....apparently the stats on goals from corners is low.so why persist with orthodox style hoof into box......just asking you experts, how would you do corners.
Mr Cynical
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We very nearly scored from one at the death though? Pinnock with a free header off the line.
Mr Cynical
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presumably it's to draw players out from the box to cover if we go short?
He can make the most intelligent and thought out routines in the world, he cant account for one of the most talented players in the league hitting the first man time and time again
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mhead bee
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How can the coach take the blame for a sh*t delivery. Said is supposed to be the best player ever to have played for us, if three corners fail to make the penalty area then what is the coach supposed to do, take it himself.
The movement and the inventiveness is what he is there for, he has to rely on the person who delivers it to do that and up until the last few games our set pieces have been excellent.
Currently we have several players off form and said is one of them. Every recent free kick he Thad taken has hit the wall, other people need to be given a chance. We also need to keep going with them until the delivery improves. Said and jenson deliver a great ball most of the time.
The movement and the inventiveness is what he is there for, he has to rely on the person who delivers it to do that and up until the last few games our set pieces have been excellent.
Currently we have several players off form and said is one of them. Every recent free kick he Thad taken has hit the wall, other people need to be given a chance. We also need to keep going with them until the delivery improves. Said and jenson deliver a great ball most of the time.
Careful. I just got told off for using the word "experts"....
badgerbee
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Yes there has been some poor delivery from corners and free kicks but it is clear that some of our new routines are working. Ethan Pinnock as an obvious example often backs away from goal at back post and achieves an attempt on goal. This is new and successful in achieving a strong attempt in goal regularly. He has had several well saved or blocked on line.
JANORAK
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Otherwise known as ‘going back across’ or, ‘putting it back in the mid’. 1 x goal and 3 x assists according to the BBC.
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Going to Arsenal? I'm putting 2+2 and making 10. But Arsenal are negotiating a set ball specialist coach. Recommended by our ex keeper coach?
He's hardly been here five minutes and barely overlapped with Inaki Cana. I'm sure there are more and more set piece coaches knocking about.
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Our set pieces have been appalling lately. A massive improvement hoped for on Wednesday please.
It does seem like "spin Pinnock out to the back post" is kind of the plan. You'd think that opposition scouting folk might have cottoned onto it too by now.
I'll donate the £27.
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I've long said that the difference between promotion and not could come down to a set piece, particularly a direct free kick. Ours are poor. Compare it with the Fulham lad who has scored this way in 3 consecutive games. Benrahma (it's normally him) barely hits the target once, let alone 3 times, let alone 3 goals that way.
AB
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I’m sure I saw a stat that said we had the best record in the division from set pieces. They’ve certainly not been great in recent matches and I agree with others who’ve said Marcondes should be preferred over Benrahma for free kicks.
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I would like to see BM and EM take some, as well as JdS.
alexinho
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Has anyone else noticed that since all the papers starting waxing lyrical about now dangerous we were at set pieces we basically stopped looking like scoring from them? Corners and free kicks. So many awful decisions and pieces of technique in recent games, can't remember a shot on target from them.
jlove
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Other clubs' analysts quickly work them out, so more are needed.
TW3Bee
It was down in the Town of Northampton
The delivery from set pieces has been awful recently, with free kicks, and corners going straight out of play, even when they do come off teams have worked out our strategy from them.
kevalutonbee
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Its like the NFL. Teams will review opponents actions from specific formations and try to counter it.
Teams then have two choices run different plays out of the same "look" catching the opponent off guard or create a whole new set of plays that the opponent will not have seen before and therefore do not know how to counter as they have not seen that "look" before
hanworthbee
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14 goals from set pieces when you have 200 corners a season and god knows how many free kicks isn't all that imo
We probably have more corners than most as well because we tend to dominate games, and we have a lot of good headers in the team now and several who are supposed to be dead ball specialists. We should definitely do better.
kevalutonbee
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I bet Opta or someone has a measure on the ratio of goals scored from set pieces as a percentage of set pieces. Be interesting to see where we are compared to others
Bush Tuckerman
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Really seems like Jensen is the only one who can deliver a targeted ball.
Mbuemo, emiliano and said all had free kicks from decent positions last night... All of them were terrible. Wheres sammy saunders when you need him
kempy
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Corners were shocking last night but what infuriated me more was that we had no answer to the high line Fulham played at free kicks. Having a specialist set piece coach, I'm surprised this isn't something that we have worked on. We really didn't know what the **** to do. Teams next season will know exactly how to defend against us.
2nd best behind Birmingham. So clearly most clubs are poor at it also. Set piece coach presumably isn’t just taking them but also defending them, which we’ve massively improved upon.
Not sure, I remember the last set piece coach was just in charge of the attacking side. I think Brian handles defensive set pieces but I could be wrong. Whoever it is better tell Raya to stand closer to the goal next season.
HaylingBee74
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How about doing the Pinnock corner using someone else. Dalsgaard?
I dislike the corner where everybody has to be able to touch their goalie, that idea should be replaced with a short corner and more of a Runaround (Mike Reid style)
I dislike the corner where everybody has to be able to touch their goalie, that idea should be replaced with a short corner and more of a Runaround (Mike Reid style)
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boatmonkey
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They should resurrect the Blissett era free kick, where the run up for the first effort first was abandoned by the Player taking the free kick, this would be followed by phoney angry protests from the rest of the players, which would be followed by the quickly taken ‘real’ kick, just as the opposition stand by watching the fake argument. A tactical master class.
SydneySwansBee
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The "argument free kick" dates back to either Jackie Graham or John Docherty. Can't remember which.
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