Final Score Aston Villa 1 Brentford 1 (Toney)

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Villa fans couldn’t have seen the chop on Toney’s arm by the thug defender
Douglas Luiz - hope he gets done retrospectively cos that was a clear punch (i think, in the fleeting replay i saw). Ivan maybe should have gone down to draw attention to it and let VAR have a chance to review it.
 
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Just got back. Cracking away day. My first since Brum in Feb 2020 when it was wet and windy and today was just glorious sunshine in a sell out 40k plus crowd. Throughly enjoyable. Had some lunch and pre-drinks at Pennyblacks at the Mailbox before the game and wasn't in the best of moods (re. the cricket) before kick off but thought our fans were in excellent voice. Heard some groans when Ghoddos was announced he would start but he had an excellent game. I like some others thought he would be a hit in the Premier League with a full pre-season behind him. This is the level he must show. Today showed we are not here to make the numbers. Delighted for Toney to get his goal (similar to last year when he scored his first in his 3rd league game for us), one chance one goal. I felt we edge the game and one must remember we are 2 years behind in terms of Villa being in the Premier League. But hey we didn't lose to Villa in the 6 Championship games against them and not since the 1950s. It was a well earned draw and 5 points after 3 games and unbeaten is superb. Finally, with the exception of Ajer our starting line up all played in the Championship last year. These players were all brought with the Premier League in mind and to date all have excelled. Going to open up a bottle of red now. Well done to all those that were there.
 

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And I apologised for it twice after the game but if you want to keep going on about it fill you boots, never forgive, says more about you really.

He was excellent today, fair play to him.

’Says more about me’? Get a grip pal. It says *everything* about your knowledge of Brentford. There’s an enormous difference between saying e.g. “Ghoddos had a terrible game, we shouldn’t play him” and “he’s a fat lump who blobs about doing nothing”. But you know this. And you own it. Straight to ignore.
 

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Trouble is mate, you've got (plenty of) previous for doing it on other occasions......and, to be fair to you, you generally come back on, and admit your mistake(s).
Maybe it's time to learn the lesson.....??.....
Nah, mhead’s able to dish it and to take it back and always has strong well argued points. It’d be rubbish if (as if!) he ever started going all fence-sitty.
 

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Fair match reports here:



And an absolutely ludicrous Villa-only one on the BBC
Aston Villa 1-1 Brentford: Emiliano Buendia shows signs of post Jack Grealish future
 

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Does anyone know when was the last time we played in a 40k plus crowd in a league game?
 
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Just been looking at the Villa fans forum site, they think we are dirty B£#@ards and cheating c+=ts, and at least 2 should have been sent off. Surely they have been watching the game with S*(t in their eyes. Just sour grapes, their supporters are horrible b#£&*rds.

They probably haven’t forgotten Maupay’s stamp on McGinn.
 

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I think we were a very awkward team to face for Aston Villa today.

- Pressed them aggressively and relentlessly in their half all game so they couldn’t play out easily but when they did beat the press we never really lost defensive shape in our own half (apart from right towards the end when fatigue kicked in)

- Really strong in the challenges and physical duels in midfield so they couldn’t play through the lines as they’d like to at home.

- Really strong and well organised from set-pieces so they were unable to really benefit from those.

- Confident enough on the ball that we could have long enough spells of possession to stifle any momentum they tried to build.

They were obviously missing a few key players but this is a bonus result in my eyes. Well done boys
 

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The one big frustration from today was their goal. How we let Buendia get an unchallenged shot in that area god knows. Think 2 defenders (Henry and?) bought his dummy and Norgaard was just too far away to get close. The one moment of poor defending in an otherwise excellent defensive display. Just goes to show at this level that you only have to make one mistake...
 

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That was such a good day. Really enjoyed that. Pity we couldn't win but another point on the road and we looked dominant for most of the game. Just need to start getting a bit more clinical in and around the box. But lots to like and what a complete gas we're having, best train journey home with a load of young Bees lads singing all the way. You Bees!!!
 

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The one big frustration from today was their goal. How we let Buendia get an unchallenged shot in that area god knows. Think 2 defenders (Henry and?) bought his dummy and Norgaard was just too far away to get close. The one moment of poor defending in an otherwise excellent defensive display. Just goes to show at this level that you only have to make one mistake...
We said exactly the same at the time, sadly a tough lesson but you can’t let Premier league players have that much time and space on the edge of the box. To be fair we didn’t make many mistakes today
 

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The one big frustration from today was their goal. How we let Buendia get an unchallenged shot in that area god knows. Think 2 defenders (Henry and?) bought his dummy and Norgaard was just too far away to get close. The one moment of poor defending in an otherwise excellent defensive display. Just goes to show at this level that you only have to make one mistake...
it was a good goal, almost appluaded, but yet, could and should have shut them down a bit quicker. hey ho, it's a steep learnin curve and it was a good strike
 

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At least there’s a couple of weeks for them to get to recognise our players. R5 Live commentator only knew, and used, 5 or 6 names, and I expected better of Michael Brown, who’s seen us in the Championship.
By the end I was getting annoyed at ‘Brentford head clear’ and ‘Brentford player to (eg) Canos’ for the umpteenth time!
Do some basic research!!!!
 

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Excellent away performance and a decent point, great day out. We looked solid, although both sides struggled to create many clear cut chances after a frenetic first 15 minutes.

The Villa fans were the most friendly bunch I've come across outside the ground and inside although they rarely made noise, m the few occasions they did it was very loud.

The whole team put in a shift but Bryan scared them with his pace and work rate and we had a great defensive shape. The back three were outstanding as a unit, Ajer has surprisingly brilliant feet but thought he would be more "Blatherwick-esque" in the air given his height.

Not sure what I missed with Ghoddos (he was tidy) but actually thought Wissa running behind them added more threat with his pace and created gaps in midfield for Norgaard and co to exploit.

We look like we belong at this level and it is fantastic to watch. Norwich pointless, Arsenal goalless... 5 points from 3 games is beyond my wildest hopes. Keep it going Bees!
 

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He let go of the ball. That law is complete bullshit.
I think he was outside of the box as well, the ball was out of his hands and the dozy commentator on MOTD was clueless as to why it had been disallowed. “You can see why” , err no I can’t see why at all, please explain why it was a foul exactly or tell me the law to give me clarity as I can’t see why nor could any viewers ?
 

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I think he was outside of the box as well, the ball was out of his hands and the dozy commentator on MOTD was clueless as to why it had been disallowed. “You can see why” , err no I can’t see why at all, please explain why it was a foul exactly or tell me the law to give me clarity as I can’t see why nor could any viewers ?
ECC16E25-7618-4EC2-929F-994031C5E56C.jpegGoalkeepers are protected far too much.
 

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View attachment 27317Goalkeepers are protected far too much.
Rebus I’m with you but it was the way it was implied it’s obvious why the goal was disallowed when without explaining the law it wasn’t obvious. Also be interested to see if it was outside the box or not when Vitaly made contact
 

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I think he was outside of the box as well, the ball was out of his hands and the dozy commentator on MOTD was clueless as to why it had been disallowed. “You can see why” , err no I can’t see why at all, please explain why it was a foul exactly or tell me the law to give me clarity as I can’t see why nor could any viewers ?
The law on this is ridiculous.

It was changed at the start of last season and apparently is correct 😡
 

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Rebus I’m with you but it was the way it was implied it’s obvious why the goal was disallowed when without explaining the law it wasn’t obvious. Also be interested to see if it was outside the box or not when Vitaly made contact
Inside or outside the box doesn't matter.
 

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Inside or outside the box doesn't matter.
Thanks, is that a fact as would have thought the keeper can’t have the ball in his hands or under his control out of his area ?
i think I’m also expecting a clear talking point to be explained but it wasn’t as I don’t think the commentator knew
 

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Thanks, is that a fact as would have thought the keeper can’t have the ball in his hands or under his control out of his area ?
i think I’m also expecting a clear talking point to be explained but it wasn’t as I don’t think the commentator knew
As a keeper throws it up to kick it. He is in possession of the ball. Regardless of whether he throws it up in such a way that it comes down outside the box.

So where the ball is doesn't matter.

Of course if he threw the ball up outside the area then it would be handball. But that wasn't given.

So very simple case here.
 

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As a keeper throws it up to kick it. He is in possession of the ball. Regardless of whether he throws it up in such a way that it comes down outside the box.

So where the ball is doesn't matter.

Of course if he threw the ball up outside the area then it would be handball. But that wasn't given.

So very simple case here.
Get it my friend but think the rule is an ass and can’t agree with a rule that says a player is in control of a ball when it’s not in his hand or his foot is on it. It’s contradictory with the laws of the game outside of the box any player can kick the ball and it’s not a foul unless he makes contact with the player?
 

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Get it my friend but think the rule is an ass and can’t agree with a rule that says a player is in control of a ball when it’s not in his hand or his foot is on it. It’s contradictory with the laws of the game outside of the box any player can kick the ball and it’s not a foul unless he makes contact with the player?
Can't disagree that the law is an ass on the face of it. But it is wasn't the law then we would have a complete nonsense of this happening every week. And we can't have that can we.... 🤔

On reflection it's probably a "good law" otherwise keepers would never be able to get ride of the ball

Whatever, Vitaly did it better than George Best....
 

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Can't disagree that the law is an ass on the face of it. But it is wasn't the law then we would have a complete nonsense of this happening every week. And we can't have that can we.... 🤔

On reflection it's probably a "good law" otherwise keepers would never be able to get ride of the ball
Nana my issue is if Vitaly made contact with the ball outside the box I think the law needs changing. I get that he’s in control inside his area totally.
 

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The one big frustration from today was their goal. How we let Buendia get an unchallenged shot in that area god knows. Think 2 defenders (Henry and?) bought his dummy and Norgaard was just too far away to get close. The one moment of poor defending in an otherwise excellent defensive display. Just goes to show at this level that you only have to make one mistake...
Rico should have closed him down but dropped back inexplicably. Buendia might still have scored, but being closed down might have put him off and made it harder to execute such a good shot.
 

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Get it my friend but think the rule is an ass and can’t agree with a rule that says a player is in control of a ball when it’s not in his hand or his foot is on it. It’s contradictory with the laws of the game outside of the box any player can kick the ball and it’s not a foul unless he makes contact with the player?
 

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The one big frustration from today was their goal. How we let Buendia get an unchallenged shot in that area god knows. Think 2 defenders (Henry and?) bought his dummy and Norgaard was just too far away to get close. The one moment of poor defending in an otherwise excellent defensive display. Just goes to show at this level that you only have to make one mistake...

I thought it was brilliant, clever play by Buendia. That will happen in the PL.
 

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Mark Chapman on Radio 5 Live tried to steer the commentary team to talk about bees for a bit pre kick off but Michael Brown ten seconds later back to Villa talk. They know little and care little about "teams like Brentford." It is also true that they struggled to recognise half the team consistently and coherently during the match. Very poor.
 

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I thought it was brilliant, clever play by Buendia. That will happen in the PL.
Buendia had way too much time before he scored. He was totally free inside our penalty area, and our defenders (Pinnock and Henry being the closest to Buendia) were all around 12 yard from our goal, so I am not sure about clever. Both Pinnock and Henry were, for whatever reason, totally missing to mark Buendia on the edge of penalty area. And the only really clever thing with their goal was Matty Cash's forward run which made Henry run like a "headless chicken" before Buendia's kick.

Liked the match a lot. Very entertaining, some really unclever tackles from both sides, some nasty tricks both sides. Personally, I think we failed too many diagonal passes, kicked too many long passes to Toney hoping for the best because even if it is Premier League, I know we have ability to play faster from defense and not "just" kick high balls forward when we first passed ten times sideways between our defenders and Raya. Aston Villa blocked six of our shots, so we need to adjust and speed up our attacking a little.
 

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Buendia had way too much time before he scored. He was totally free inside our penalty area, and our defenders (Pinnock and Henry being the closest to Buendia) were all around 12 yard from our goal, so I am not sure about clever. Both Pinnock and Henry were, for whatever reason, totally missing to mark Buendia on the edge of penalty area. And the only really clever thing with their goal was Matty Cash's forward run which made Henry run like a "headless chicken" before Buendia's kick.

Liked the match a lot. Very entertaining, some really unclever tackles from both sides, some nasty tricks both sides. Personally, I think we failed too many diagonal passes, kicked too many long passes to Toney hoping for the best because even if it is Premier League, I know we have ability to play faster from defense and not "just" kick high balls forward when we first passed ten times sideways between our defenders and Raya. Aston Villa blocked six of our shots, so we need to adjust and speed up our attacking a little.
Just a small point Buendia was outside the penalty area when he shot. Whilst we could have done better think you also have to praise Buendia for a quality strike.
 

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A good day out that proved we belong here. When I think back to the start of the last couple of seasons, we didn’t settle as quickly then as we have now.

We will grow into this league, gain further confidence that we aren’t going to be outclassed by many teams and new players will get increasingly up to speed. We will then start to make more chances and be a real handful.

We are already, first and foremost, difficult to beat.
 

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Our game management and sh*thousery has moved up several levels 👍

How long did it take Ethan to get to those throw ins 🤣
Yep and Pontus was instructing him to leave it and get in the box and then hands on the refs shoulder and apologising. He is an expert exponent of sh*t housery, I love the fact we also have Norgaard and Vitaly who will take a yellow for the team rather than let a dangerous move continue and great we have a centre forward who upsets defenders and oppo fans.
Successful teams are disliked by other fans, it’s great news and bodes well if every game the oppo fans are slating us as suggests we’ve probably taken points off them.
 

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Rico should have closed him down but dropped back inexplicably. Buendia might still have scored, but being closed down might have put him off and made it harder to execute such a good shot.

Buendia had way too much time before he scored. He was totally free inside our penalty area, and our defenders (Pinnock and Henry being the closest to Buendia) were all around 12 yard from our goal, so I am not sure about clever. Both Pinnock and Henry were, for whatever reason, totally missing to mark Buendia on the edge of penalty area. And the only really clever thing with their goal was Matty Cash's forward run which made Henry run like a "headless chicken" before Buendia's kick.

Liked the match a lot. Very entertaining, some really unclever tackles from both sides, some nasty tricks both sides. Personally, I think we failed too many diagonal passes, kicked too many long passes to Toney hoping for the best because even if it is Premier League, I know we have ability to play faster from defense and not "just" kick high balls forward when we first passed ten times sideways between our defenders and Raya. Aston Villa blocked six of our shots, so we need to adjust and speed up our attacking a little.
The reason is the run on the outside by Cash. Both Rico and Ethan went to close him down thinking the other had Buendia covered. A communication error. Watched them both in the aftermath and it looked like Rico was saying he didn't hear Ethan's call.
 
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