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Give it a wait. Australian govt already announced they won't take it and go to the next level of court.
 

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that isn’t logical. This is money they would get from another player if novax wasn’t playing

Their will be lots making considerably more on the back of Novax being in Australia than had he not been their so the government tax receipts will be higher
 

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From the Telegraph

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Lawyers especially!

(Except that the government is footing the bill for the lawyers!)
Is there anything that in any way resembles the collective view of Australian citizens? I realise that this can be tainted by people's opinion of the Federal Govt., but what do people actually think?
 
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Is there anything that in any way resembles the collective view of Australian citizens? I realise that this can be tainted by people's opinion of the Federal Govt., but what do people actually think?

I'm not sure that I completely understand your question but I suspect that as it is election year for the Australian Commonwealth (Federal) Government and as they are reportedly down in the polls they will be paying close attention to focus groups. So what the government does next will reflect the opinions of these focus groups. Of course these opinions will change over time and may be influenced by mainstream or social media.

Although I am an Australian Tax Payer I live in New Zealand so I don't have any real finger on the Australian pulse but I believe all my Australian friends are pro vaxxers.

I have a few more opinions as to what is going on but I won't comment as I understand this noticeboard does not approve of posts which may be considered to have a political opinion.

Personally I don't understand why one needs a tennis competition when ping pong looks much more exciting and is over a lot quicker so more pub time for the spectators. :fishing:
 

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Well he might have been released but the revelation that he tested positive on 16th and still made public appearances including with kids is going to massively affect his popularity not just in Australia but globally - good luck Novax.
 

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Is there anything that in any way resembles the collective view of Australian citizens? I realise that this can be tainted by people's opinion of the Federal Govt., but what do people actually think?
Most Australians think he’s a dickhead for not getting vaxxed and think he shouldn’t be allowed into the country.
 

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Well he might have been released but the revelation that he tested positive on 16th and still made public appearances including with kids is going to massively affect his popularity not just in Australia but globally - good luck Novax.

It's going to be very entertaining watching how he/his PR advisers try to spin their way out of this one 🤔
 

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It's going to be very entertaining watching how he/his PR advisers try to spin their way out of this one 🤔
He can get on with his day job, not a luxury that can be afforded to Scott Morrison unfortunately.
 

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Its going to be more fun watching him get booed mercilessly at the Aussie Open now 🤣
I hope the Aussies all chant continuously at him so that his match cannot start

Then see what happens next

Will Tiley then evacuate the crowd ???

I would start them off with a

You're not Welcome
You're not Welcome
You're not Welcome anymore....

Repeat ad infinitum
 

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Its going to be more fun watching him get booed mercilessly at the Aussie Open now 🤣
That is what will spur him on , unfortunately. Equally Melbourne has apparently a very large Serbian community. No doubt they'll be there in force when Djoko takes to court.
 

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Whatever ones view are on Djokovic - what is clear as mud is that the Australian government have been made to look like utter fools on this and have used Djokovic for one’s own political tool for popularity.
Apart from mistaking mud for daylight, this is spot on.
 

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Whatever ones view are on Djokovic - what is clear as mud is that the Australian government have been made to look like utter fools on this and have used Djokovic for one’s own political tool for popularity.

Not really, the expensive lawyers found a legal technicality that was more to do with the border force's managing of the situation. It remains the case from reports Djokovic can be deported by the federal government.

If they'll do that is another matter but either way the Australian government and to a lesser extent the citizens have shown how difficult society will be without vaccines. Not everyone will have expensive lawyers to fall back on and over time these legal technicalities will be solved; likely being looked at in France as we speak ahead of the French Open.

I think the Australian authorities have done the world a favour as we all try to stay safe and encourage people to have vaccines who are able to have them.
 

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Its going to be more fun watching him get booed mercilessly at the Aussie Open now 🤣
If he had any sense (and if his advisers had any sense), they would tell him to pack his bags now, irrespective of this judgement.

As you say, if he plays, he is going to be booed by the baying mob and there will be a list of players that refuse to play him - all awful publicity for him.
In addition, if he wants to play the 'innocent', a lot more will come out about who he was with and where he was, busy spreading his covid 19 around the place after his now-confirmed positive test. If he quits now, he might be able to limit that damage.

Personally, I do not see any way he'll be playing next week.
 

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Not really, the expensive lawyers found a legal technicality that was more to do with the border force's managing of the situation. It remains the case from reports Djokovic can be deported by the federal government.

If they'll do that is another matter but either way the Australian government and to a lesser extent the citizens have shown how difficult society will be without vaccines. Not everyone will have expensive lawyers to fall back on and over time these legal technicalities will be solved; likely being looked at in France as we speak ahead of the French Open.

I think the Australian authorities have done the world a favour as we all try to stay safe and encourage people to have vaccines who are able to have them

I agree and disagree (that sounds like clear as mud 😁). I disagree with Novak getting an exemption visa in the first place. The rules are rules. Unvaccinated people are not allowed in Australia but after being issued a visa and the Australian government seeing the backlash of the general public they used Novak as a political tool (for votes) They should never have allowed him to get on a plane. They have played this appallingly. They would have been given more credibility if Novak was never been given a visa in the first place.
 

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I agree and disagree (that sounds like clear as mud 😁). I disagree with Novak getting an exemption visa in the first place. The rules are rules. Unvaccinated people are not allowed in Australia but after being issued a visa and the Australian government seeing the backlash of the general public they used Novak as a political tool (for votes) They should never have allowed him to get on a plane. They have played this appallingly. They would have been given more credibility if Novak was never been given a visa in the first place.

I agree with some of your points as well 😀. Although the Australian political system is a bit different and there doesn't appear to be evidence the Federal Government give the go ahead for him to fly; it looks more like the state government and Tennis Australia.

That may be more a failure of their system and joint up working than anything else. I agree he should never have flown until it was sorted by all levels but whilst I have some sympathy for him; getting to Australia and then challenging it has probably worked out best for him although I'm sure he thought everything was in order before flying.

I guess the Australian authorities will learn and state governments will be reminded borders are Federal issues going forward but as I said in my original post I think the message on the importance of vaccines and following rules has been given high profile coverage and it's something the public will have to consider especially if wanting to visit Australia. The government will probably have to back down on this case but there'll be a greater good moving forward in my opinion unless everyone can book a lawyer at the airport 😀
 
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I agree and disagree (that sounds like clear as mud 😁). I disagree with Novak getting an exemption visa in the first place. The rules are rules. Unvaccinated people are not allowed in Australia but after being issued a visa and the Australian government seeing the backlash of the general public they used Novak as a political tool (for votes) They should never have allowed him to get on a plane. They have played this appallingly. They would have been given more credibility if Novak was never been given a visa in the first place.
Maybe I'm wrong, But I thought Victoria and Australia Tennis issued the visa, from my optics a bit of conflict there. I thought it was The Feds who looked after the borders. I can see the end of the issuing bodies very shortly.

If it's anything like Canada, the Provinces and Territories all march to there own tune. When they get it wrong, call on the Feds for help to bail them out. The military for hospitals, PC Homes and money . I wish the Feds could control the money they dish out. So I'm pleased the Feds control our borders.

All Governments are unpopular at the moment. Most I hope rely on medical advice. I cringed when I wrote that, because I would love to believe it. If Novak is a political pawn, tough, he ain't Australian. Their the ones who have lock downs and vaccinations to enable this tournament to take place. All the players bar one ( the Czech, since gone ) have obeyed Australian laws. It seems he got off on a technicality. That's a nice bit of phlegm filled gob in the face of Australians. My view if it happened here in Canada, he could go to hell.

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Anyone else think Novax either "doctored" his medical records to fake a positive covid test or being positive he then showed no regard for others and did not isolate and mingled with others? If the latter is true, than I would ban him for being a selfish @%^&.
 
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Maybe I'm wrong, But I thought Victoria and Australia Tennis issued the visa, from my optics a bit of conflict there. I thought it was The Feds who looked after the borders. I can see the end of the issuing bodies very shortly.

If it's anything like Canada, the Provinces and Territories all march to there own tune. When they get it wrong, call on the Feds for help to bail them out. The military for hospitals, PC Homes and money . I wish the Feds could control the money they dish out. So I'm pleased the Feds control our borders.

All Governments are unpopular at the moment. Most I hope rely on medical advice. I cringed when I wrote that, because I would love to believe it. If Novak is a political pawn, tough, he ain't Australian. Their the ones who have lock downs and vaccinations to enable this tournament to take place. All the players bar one ( the Czech, since gone ) have obeyed Australian laws. It seems he got off on a technicality. That's a nice bit of phlegm filled gob in the face of Australians. My view if it happened here in Canada, he could go to hell.

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No. Australian visas are issued by the Australian Commonwealth (federal) Government. They are then valid for entry to all states and territories subject to approval at the border. States set their own rules for entry and these are different now due to varying Covid regulations.
 

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Anyone else think Novax either "doctored" his medical records to fake a positive covid test or being positive he then showed no regard for others and did not isolate and mingled with others? If the latter is true, than I would ban him for being a selfish @%^&.
I would think that the Federal Govt, who have only been involved late in this matter, might tend to take this into consideration and punt him out of the country as they are entitled to do. The State authority and Tennis Australia have handled this badly so it is down to the Federal Govt to sort this. Edmundo said that public opinion was anti-Djokovic, so would expect a politically expedient decision
 
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I would think that the Federal Govt, who have only been involved late in this matter, might tend to take this into consideration and punt him out of the country as they are entitled to do. The State authority and Tennis Australia have handled this badly so it is down to the Federal Govt to sort this. Edmundo said that public opinion was anti-Djokovic, so would expect a politically expedient decision

I think the Federal government would have known about this matter well before Novax got on the plane so they would have been involved even if it appeared they did nothing.
 

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No. Australian visas are issued by the Australian Commonwealth (federal) Government. They are then valid for entry to all states and territories subject to approval at the border. States set their own rules for entry and these are different now due to varying Covid regulations.
Thanks for the reply, all I've heard ls about Tennis Australia, the doctors, a small bit about Victoria in regards to the Visa. Nothing about Fed Government until the fiasco started.
 
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Latest news from down under. Alex Hawke the immigration minister will not be making a decision about Novax today.

If the name Alex Hawke seems vaguely familiar try googling his name and the Ruby Princess.
 

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I have been reading and seeing Shane Warne going on about the possibility that Djokovic has lied on his Visa Application. He said that he had not traveled in the previous 2 weeks , he was staying and training in Spain ,which was ok . He was seen in a photo with a Serbian Footballer in Belgrade over Christmas .

I don’t get his family , at yesterdays press conference , when the Press stated to ask leading questions they shut down the press conference .

I don’t get the point where his mother says he has been torture?
 

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Better to be a laughing stock than a liar like Novax?
I just think the whole thing it’s ridiculous giving someone a visa and letting them travel 24 hours to get there then cancelling it then reinstating it then maybe cancelling it…test him and if he’s negative let him get on with it
 

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Now the circus and its supporting cast have moved on it's going to make one hell of watch, given he's the overwhelming favourite to lift the men's title.
 
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I just think the whole thing it’s ridiculous giving someone a visa and letting them travel 24 hours to get there then cancelling it then reinstating it then maybe cancelling it…test him and if he’s negative let him get on with it
Yes they screwed up telling him he could get a visa in the first place but there is no way he should be in that country unvaccinated, lying about where he has travelled, claiming he had Covid but pictured out and about days later and generally being the c**** he always seems to be. It provides the anti-vaxxers the hero the world doesn't need to let them have right now
 
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Looks like Australian Immigration Alex Hawke won't make a decision today. The focus group must not have reported back yet then.

So that this doesn't get banned for being political I will sanitise it. Nikki Savva of the Australian Newspaper once said -
XXXXX XXXXX keeps making bad decisions worse.
 

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Well, well, ain't this a turn up for the books, Was me agent, not me Guv. Isolate, what's that. What a sniveling little pisser he is. The entry form was it signed and dated or was it done by proxy. Doesn't matter in the slightest. Agent didn't know where he was ???? Border control were correct to hold him. IMO Judge should have delayed the hearing as requested. I think when this is over Australia is off his holiday list. There is still the Covid time line for him to sort out.

Tennis anyone !
 

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Listening to guy on Talk Sport (don't know who he was) and could be an interesting day or two ahead. Basically said they are trying to make a deal with novax that he withdraws and then he can come back next year else they will deport him and he will be banned for 3 years from entering Australia.
 

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Is this fiasco still ongoing? Mad.
 

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Yes and there doesn't appear to be any rush to resolve it. Surely something has to happen before the tournament starts.
I would think looking into the Covid time line to get it correct would take some time. He does have hot shot lawyers after all. I also wonder if the Serbs are helping with investigation. If the tournament starts without him I think only he would care along with the Serbs.
 

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