Away atmospheres - the last straw

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Well I guess we can say what we like about LewRich's initial posts, but we can't deny that he's engendered a lively debate covering a lot of subjects!!!!!
 

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Well I guess we can say what we like about LewRich's initial posts, but we can't deny that he's engendered a lively debate covering a lot of subjects!!!!!

.....indeed.......including a couple of wannabe youth leaders with dodgy cv's.......so I've heard:D
 

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Yep. Already said that.

Why don't those who wish to sit/stand together contact BIAS directly, their details are online, it's quite simple. Then go through the right channels to see what they can do with the Club involved.

Then this will stop the same sh*t season on season going over the same bloody issue.

At present, if someone buys a ticket for a seat, then respect their wish to sit there. Don't stand near them or in front of them. It's quite simple.

We met with the club tonight and they are looking at ways to ensure people have more choice of seats at away games.
 

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We met with the club tonight and they are looking at ways to ensure people have more choice of seats at away games.

.....good news......if BFC want to be seen as being an innovative and creative football club......there is mileage in this story......I hope those at the club recognise this.
 

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Go on....

There is the possibility of using the seat selection on our ticketing website as per home matches.

This does require sufficient information and cooperation from the home team (some clubs insist on selling in block order), plus someone at BFC to input the data.
 

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It will all come to nothing if the stewards enforce sitting down which I think actually is the law is it not? Anyway at 60 I was brought up on standing terraces and to be blunt that's what we need but safe.
 

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Christ almighty, are we having this same conversation again?? Can't be bothered reading all the posts, but this issue is a simple one to resolve. Don't bother with allocated seating and if there's a large group of you that wants to sit together or you're elderly or infirm, just get to the ground early, say 30 minutes before kick off and grab your seats. It ain't rocket science..
 

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It will all come to nothing if the stewards enforce sitting down which I think actually is the law is it not? Anyway at 60 I was brought up on standing terraces and to be blunt that's what we need but safe.

No, the law states the stadia must be all seated. The ground regulations and safety certificate state that people must sit down.
 

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So we can delete this thread now surely. As there will be the numpty thread starter shouting at everyone to move.....and then be removed by the stewards....whilst none of us give a sh*t.
 

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fans like yourself are the reason football is dying. football is all about creating a good atmosphere. you could not be more wrong and don't deserve to go any brentford games
Do you know me then? Did I see you generating atmosphere at the likes of Torquay and Exeter in league 2 then known as division 4? You no doubt would have loved the terraces of the 70's and 80's and the long walks to the stations too?
 

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it is incredibly frustrating to go all way to newcastle and see every sitting down and getting behind the team. save your money and stay at home

If it's so frustrating why don't you stay at home as 10% in the away end won't generate an atmosphere either.
I also don't see Ealing Road generating a great atmosphere at home that much.
 

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Or you know, maybe just sit where your ticket is telling you. "It's not rocket science"
 

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If it's so frustrating why don't you stay at home as 10% in the away end won't generate an atmosphere either.
I also don't see Ealing Road generating a great atmosphere at home that much.

Harsh going after Ealing Road when there are 2 much larger stands either side which sit in complete silence from first whistle to last. Unless there's an opportunity to do some good old fashioned booing.
 

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Well the good news is that if we lose tonight this thread will forgotten as some arse will open the relegation thread and all the whinging will move to there.
 

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Well I guess we can say what we like about LewRich's initial posts, but we can't deny that he's engendered a lively debate covering a lot of subjects!!!!!

What confuses me is that he picked the Newcastle game, of all games, to start the topic. I thought we were in remarkably good voice for a game in which we were losing heavily and playing so poorly. Considerably louder than the home fans that's for sure.
 

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Harsh going after Ealing Road when there are 2 much larger stands either side which sit in complete silence from first whistle to last. Unless there's an opportunity to do some good old fashioned booing.

He spoke about Ealing Road in earlier post and I have responded with my opinion, so not going after ER at all. Where I sit The Paddock, there is very little moaning or booing but strangely a good atmosphere and standing when appropriate
 

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It's only unfair if that person really wanted that specific seat, which I find incredibly unlikely.

They may have come in a group of 6 and want to sit together. And if you take their seat, where else do they sit? They'd have to steal someone else's. And then those people would have to steal someone else's. A bunch of arguments occur and then a dozen people are in a filthy mood all because the original seat-thief didn't buy their tickets until the day before!

FWIW I don't like allocated seating. Get their early and choose your own seat, in my book.
 

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He spoke about Ealing Road in earlier post and I have responded with my opinion, so not going after ER at all. Where I sit The Paddock, there is very little moaning or booing but strangely a good atmosphere and standing when appropriate

Believe it or not that's also pretty much how it is where I sit in New Road too.
 

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He spoke about Ealing Road in earlier post and I have responded with my opinion, so not going after ER at all. Where I sit The Paddock, there is very little moaning or booing but strangely a good atmosphere and standing when appropriate

I think it is like that everywhere. You get the moaners who drone all game, the proper whingers with high pitched voices who genuinely think people like Hogan are sh*t and hate to be happy, the Sarky ones who just take the pee all game and giggle, the angry ones who shout at the ref all game and never accept it is our fault if we lose (that's me), the ones who study the game and discuss it with the people next to them (also a bit like me really), the angry fatty fans who can't go for a pi55 without getting out of breath but shout at the players for not running enough or trying hard enough as if they would know what that felt or looked like and then you get the people who think we are sh*t even if we win 5.0.

The singers, well, they are there too but to be honest its most of the others that keep me entertained.
 

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My default posture at away games is something like Edvard Munch's "Scream" picture. I am very much a head-in-hands merchant and never relax throughout. It's always been like this and it's hard to change now. Perhaps there could be a small section for twitching loons.
 

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fans like yourself are the reason football is dying. football is all about creating a good atmosphere. you could not be more wrong and don't deserve to go any brentford games

Football is dying? I have been following Brentford for best part of 50 years and for most of that time we were in the lowest 2 divisions, where the club nearly died in the 60's with a QPR takeover. Then again close to dying as a club under Noades and a move to Woking. Only fans on bth occasions stopped this happening and with some decent atmosphere at fans forums etc when it was needed most. We are now in the best hands possible and full of life and the best spell for 70 years.
 

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Harsh going after Ealing Road when there are 2 much larger stands either side which sit in complete silence from first whistle to last. Unless there's an opportunity to do some good old fashioned booing.

But as everyone on the terrace is standing up, which we are constantly being told is the key to a good atmosphere, surely the place should be rocking every home game?
 

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Football is dying? I have been following Brentford for best part of 50 years and for most of that time we were in the lowest 2 divisions, where the club nearly died in the 60's with a QPR takeover. Then again close to dying as a club under Noades and a move to Woking. Only fans on bth occasions stopped this happening and with some decent atmosphere at fans forums etc when it was needed most. We are now in the best hands possible and full of life and the best spell for 70 years.

It ain't dying in Geordie Land 52,000 gate
 

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My default posture at away games is something like Edvard Munch's "Scream" picture. I am very much a head-in-hands merchant and never relax throughout. It's always been like this and it's hard to change now. Perhaps there could be a small section for twitching loons.

I'm in.
 

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fans like yourself are the reason football is dying. football is all about creating a good atmosphere. you could not be more wrong and don't deserve to go any brentford games

'Football dying' ... can you expand on what you mean by that statement ?

Not deserving to go to any Brentford games ! ... tell you what, make yourself known to me tonight please and we can have a discussion about all this
 

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'Football dying' ... can you expand on what you mean by that statement ?

Not deserving to go to any Brentford games ! ... tell you what, make yourself known to me tonight please and we can have a discussion about all this
...............it's a school night.........will be tucked up in bed by half past nine.............
 

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I'd suggest there's some semi-professional trolling been going on... possibly in an attempt to out Hullbee before he can stand and sing from his QPR hospitality accommodation on the 28th.

It does seem to have worked, though, and there'll be some kiddy-sniggering at the responses.
 

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But as everyone on the terrace is standing up, which we are constantly being told is the key to a good atmosphere, surely the place should be rocking every home game?

To be fair most home games in the Ealing Road the atmosphere is pretty good where I stand (towards the right) but the sound doesn't carry well at GP. I can see the away fans singing, clapping etc. but I rarely hear them. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than the silence you get in the all-seater stands.

I think standing does make a difference at away games, but it's not the be-all and end-all. It is really frustrating, as someone who likes to stand, when you're forced to sit next to someone giving you dirty looks every time you sing, stand up or generally get excited. I had to move myself against Villa because the two guys next to me were insufferable. Just as I'm sure it's frustrating if you want to sit but people in front are standing

A solution I've come up with (sure I'm not the only one, haven't read the entire thread) is to organise an unofficial group (Beesotted...) which buys tickets in bulk from the club (in the back rows) and then sells them on to those who also want to stand and try to create an atmosphere.
 

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I'd suggest there's some semi-professional trolling been going on... possibly in an attempt to out Hullbee before he can stand and sing from his QPR hospitality accommodation on the 28th.

It does seem to have worked, though, and there'll be some kiddy-sniggering at the responses.

I think passing off the issue as youngsters trolling is only fuelling the apparent divide in our fan base.

Some may not be articulating it particularly well but there's evidently a problem here (it's been raised repetitively since we started selling out away matches) - unfunny facetious responses such as these are just childish.

Bias, and independent voice of Brentford supporters run by some of the most intelligent and loyal Brentford fans I know of have raised the issue with the club - funny that they haven't got any sarcastic responses on here.
 

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The rows of seats at Newcastle were well spaced and you could, if you wanted, stand and those behind you could still see. These were the best seats I've seen although MK weren't bad either. I'm not particularly tall, five eight and a half, but usually my knees are in the person in front's back and the blokes I go to games with are all pretty tall and suffer as a result.
 

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I think passing off the issue as youngsters trolling is only fuelling the apparent divide in our fan base.

Some may not be articulating it particularly well but there's evidently a problem here (it's been raised repetitively since we started selling out away matches) - unfunny facetious responses such as these are just childish.

Bias, and independent voice of Brentford supporters run by some of the most intelligent and loyal Brentford fans I know of have raised the issue with the club - funny that they haven't got any sarcastic responses on here.

Believe it or not, this isn't a new issue. There were problems at Crewe in 2014 (a game that wasn't sold out) and younger more vociferous supporters have complained about our away support for as long as I can remember. I did it myself after the Stoke Play-Off final defeat in 2002 when I vaguely recall coming on here a bit worse for wear at about 3am and letting rip because the bloke sitting behind me had tugged at my shirt and told me to set down when we had a corner.

Nowadays, I'm happy to sit or stand depending on what the others around me are doing. Younger (and that is a generalisation) fans will always want to stand and sing and chant. In a few years time it will be a different generation complaining that not everyone is standing or the atmosphere isn't good enough.

Saturday was always going to attract a large number of day-trippers. This is a 14-page thread about a 'problem' that doesn't exist.
 

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Obviously there is something of a divide between the way fans support the club, remember people moaning about the "young fans" back in the late 50's and I had to ask my Dad what they were on about. seemingly fans were not as passionate as when he was a lad. don't seem to have moved forward in the past 50/60 years!!!!

wirh the advent of Social media the level of moaning/complaining has increased however perhaps we should take stock of where we are and where we could be. Just looked at the non league table and the following clubs have all played us in the league in " recent" years.

Wrexham, Torquay, York, Darlington, Dagenham and Redbridge, Barrow, Lincoln, Macclesfield, Aldershot, Tranmere, Chester, Workington

There but for the grace of god could be us and perhaps we should enjoy ourselves more as we compete in the second tier of English football. In reality we have little to moan about!!!!!
 

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Obviously there is something of a divide between the way fans support the club, remember people moaning about the "young fans" back in the late 50's and I had to ask my Dad what they were on about. seemingly fans were not as passionate as when he was a lad. don't seem to have moved forward in the past 50/60 years!!!!

wirh the advent of Social media the level of moaning/complaining has increased however perhaps we should take stock of where we are and where we could be. Just looked at the non league table and the following clubs have all played us in the league in " recent" years.

Wrexham, Torquay, York, Darlington, Dagenham and Redbridge, Barrow, Lincoln, Macclesfield, Aldershot, Tranmere, Chester, Workington

There but for the grace of god could be us and perhaps we should enjoy ourselves more as we compete in the second tier of English football. In reality we have little to moan about!!!!!

Not to mention Southport, Bradford Park Avenue, Hereford, Stockport, Halifax, Rushden & Diamonds,
 
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There were plenty of free seats dotted around, we (a group of three) came in the stand about 2.55 and chose some at random midway up, and there were a couple other free around us too and sat there. But why should someone arse around looking for a seat cos you want to stand there? You're the one where you shouldn't be so you should move...

One solution of course is two options on website when selling tickets.. Selling a "Singing" section (ie.. Though youd have to ask for a "singing ticket" with a wink, a bit like buying king sized rizlas in a newsagent or something, everyone knows it means standing really) to be the back corner or something.

we had a singing section at wembley and it was bloody awful, play off final and people were having a go at us for singing and standing
 

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This seems to be the inevitability of a club that is on the up and increasing its fan base ( quite significantly). When we get to Lionel Road it will take another big leap as we could reasonably expect full houses of 20k crowds at times. A lot of these new fans will never have been to GP or known pre championship days, they won't recall with fondness the away days of a few hundred who could sit/ stand where they want etc. It is still staggering to me we are taking thousands away on a regular basis often not far short of a home crowd in the past. The new fans will come with modern expectations and be more diverse in terms of families and background

It is also inevitable that some longer standing fans will not want to be part of this new world preferring instead the memories of the cosiness and familiarity of GP, its' history and culture. It is a shame but it will happen. The club is moving forward and of course has to to survive. It is though up to the club and maybe BIAS etc. to be inventive and try and retain some of the things that made past match days so popular in terms of culture and atmosphere and stop LR becoming just another nice modern but relatively soulless stadium.
 

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Nowadays, I'm happy to sit or stand depending on what the others around me are doing. Younger (and that is a generalisation) fans will always want to stand and sing and chant. In a few years time it will be a different generation complaining that not everyone is standing or the atmosphere isn't good enough.

Saturday was always going to attract a large number of day-trippers. This is a 14-page thread about a 'problem' that doesn't exist.

If everyone had your attidude, there wouldn't be a problem. Alas, that is not the case and so we need help from the club to manage the issue. Selling tickets at the back to those that want them makes things easier and isn't that challenging to administer, really.
 

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For too many months and possibly years now the atmosphere at away matches have been utterly abysmal. 13/14 and 14/15 when we won most weeks actually gave us false atmosphere and the past two season have exposed just how miserable away matches can be for us. It's becoming painfully obvious as to who/which group fans are the ones that give a damn are the millenials. The ones that my generation look at and sneer at because they didnt was our team win the London war cup or some sh*t like that. The bunch who arent true fans because they take issue with us sellingplayers all the time and giving us a team full of half-arsed f*ckwits.

We need to stop letting these younger fans down by either a) making an effort at the match and not merely being consumers. (Standing up chanting not moaning when someone who gives a sh*t about doing the above takes our allocated seat) b) ignoring our allocated seats at the top of the stand and letting people who do give a sh*t occupy that spot instead. If you want to sit down and contribute nothing fair. Just dont sit on the first few rows. Go to the bottom of the stand.

There is so much apathy around this club right now and its not all down to footballing reasons. Its because or fans can be very annoying. There needs to be a solution. Maybe the club could ask the hosts to give a virtual seat number like we do on ealing road when you buy your tickets but not necessarily have the right to sit in that seat? If that happens, eventually we will get the point that the consumers sit towards the bottom of the stand and all the ones that care stand at the top. Or maybe we can all just agree to not get anal about our allocated seats? If you been given seat 23 row ZY or something and know you wanna sit down maybe just go somewhere else and not moan when someone who wants to stand is at your spot?

Lets stop letting each other down. Were a success story but it seems like this club is losing its heart (academy closing, dismantling of 1st team squads) so lets not give each other reasons to turn on each other too.

That's a bit Rich coming from Lew ...
 

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The solution is already implemented on our own club website where we have a diagram of the stadium and you can choose where you want to sit when you buy your ticket. All we need to do is set up the same sort of diagram for each of the 23 away games - after all we know well in advance who we're playing, the layout of the stadia, the areas allocated to away supporters and so on - so it shouldn't be difficult. And the effort in setting it up initially will probably be re-usable in subsequent seasons for at least 16 of the stadia. We then arbitrarily designate an area as a "singing section" and, bingo, everyone can choose whether to sit with the vocalists or the watchers. Okay, a little bit of effort needs to be invested in setting it up but it's hardly a Herculean task for a professional outfit.

Problem solved?
 

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The solution is already implemented on our own club website where we have a diagram of the stadium and you can choose where you want to sit when you buy your ticket. All we need to do is set up the same sort of diagram for each of the 23 away games - after all we know well in advance who we're playing, the layout of the stadia, the areas allocated to away supporters and so on - so it shouldn't be difficult. And the effort in setting it up initially will probably be re-usable in subsequent seasons for at least 16 of the stadia. We then arbitrarily designate an area as a "singing section" and, bingo, everyone can choose whether to sit with the vocalists or the watchers. Okay, a little bit of effort needs to be invested in setting it up but it's hardly a Herculean task for a professional outfit.

Problem solved?

Correct.
 

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The solution is already implemented on our own club website where we have a diagram of the stadium and you can choose where you want to sit when you buy your ticket. All we need to do is set up the same sort of diagram for each of the 23 away games - after all we know well in advance who we're playing, the layout of the stadia, the areas allocated to away supporters and so on - so it shouldn't be difficult. And the effort in setting it up initially will probably be re-usable in subsequent seasons for at least 16 of the stadia. We then arbitrarily designate an area as a "singing section" and, bingo, everyone can choose whether to sit with the vocalists or the watchers. Okay, a little bit of effort needs to be invested in setting it up but it's hardly a Herculean task for a professional outfit.

Problem solved?
Except that the home club determine how tickets are to be sold. Not only will it require each stadium seating plan to be mapped to the Brentford Tickets site but it will require negotiation with each home club to be able to designate two separate areas for tickets to be sold in parallel, which itself may mean BFC guaranteeing a certain number of ticket sales. No club will actively promote a standing section in a stadium, so it will need to be described as something else, but will still not prevent stewards enforcing ground regulations.

Yes, problem solved... over to BIAS to resource it, I guess.
 

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It's only unfair if that person really wanted that specific seat, which I find incredibly unlikely.

What if you took my seat but its next to my mates and I wanted to be near them haven't you ruined my day potentially? This is highly unlikely by the way as I have no friends.
 

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What if you took my seat but its next to my mates and I wanted to be near them haven't you ruined my day potentially? This is highly unlikely by the way as I have no friends.

Yeah, obviously that's different but from experience it's rarely the case.
 
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