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I thought there was a bit of a hint in PG's transfer window interview that maybe the B team has yet to prove its full worth in supplying players for the first team which is of course its main aim. Not to say it won't but that expectations are high.
I didn't read it that way, he was more explaining why they have a higher turnover than the first team in that they move on players after a year or two if they don't look like they're going to threaten the first team..
 

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I agree with Stanley, it did come across as slightly insecure on that front. But I suppose there has always been pressure for it to work given the impact that it initially had with a lot of criticism from parents and the media etc.

I think most of us will agree it's working, but maybe a couple of established first team players would back that up more.
 

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I thought there was a bit of a hint in PG's transfer window interview that maybe the B team has yet to prove its full worth in supplying players for the first team which is of course its main aim. Not to say it won't but that expectations are high.
I do not consider that it was a hint, but, a clear statement of fact.
 

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I agree with Stanley, it did come across as slightly insecure on that front. But I suppose there has always been pressure for it to work given the impact that it initially had with a lot of criticism from parents and the media etc.

I think most of us will agree it's working, but maybe a couple of established first team players would back that up more.
This season we'll have Marcus Forss, Mads Bech and (eventually) Roerslev very solidly part of the first team squad. Would expect all three to feature more as the season goes on..
 

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I always felt there was two sides to this "producing players for the first team" thing. Off the top of my head, since 2010, we've only produced three players who have made around 50 or more first team appearances - Reeves, Clarke and Mepham. They were all in the system prior to the B team's inception. It's a bit like, do the powers that be want to produce dependable, but not outstanding players (Reeves, Clarke types) or players like Mepham, who go for big money before their career really gets going? Racic, Zambo and Gunny don't even have 30 first team appearances between them and they've hit the stumbling block and have had to go on loan.

There seems to be a push towards buying ready made inbetweeners, such as Roerslev, and starting them off in the B team to help them acclimatise. Time will tell if some of the 2020 summer intake are "inbetweeners in waiting", rather than B team punts.
 

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I thought there was a bit of a hint in PG's transfer window interview that maybe the B team has yet to prove its full worth in supplying players for the first team which is of course its main aim. Not to say it won't but that expectations are high.
For context, that was a direct response to the questions as to why there was such a high turnover this transfer window. As a DoF you probably aim to keep turnover as low as possible but it wasn't possible this summer for the B team. You could sense a little bit of frustration.

It's true, the project definitely hasn't met its full potential yet. The only player to come through the new system and hold down a first choice starting position is Mepham, but he was recruited as a scholar when we still had an academy. No one else has made the step up.

But on a more positive note, I look at our first team squad now and see a number of players recruited for peanuts on the cusp. We didn't have this during the academy days. Forss, Racic, Sorensen, Roerslev, Gunnarsson, Balcombe, Zamburek, Oksanen. Some of these a big part of our setup already. Three of them getting regular game time at L1 level at a very young age. We aren't far off. You just feel it needs a Forss, Zamburek or Balcombe to play 40 games in a season to restore some confidence.
 

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It's maybe a problem, though, that the goalposts are moving a bit too quick for the B-team recruits coming in. I suspect if mid-table was the aim our first XI might regularly consist of Forss, Zamburek, Racic and Sorensen. Unfortunately for those players, we are aiming for something bigger and their pathways are blocked.
 

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Racic, Zambo and Gunny don't even have 30 first team appearances between them and they've hit the stumbling block and have had to go on loan.
I don't think they've hit a stumbling block at all, it's all part of their development like Sorenson and Forss last season. Oksanen and Zamburek are both still only 19 and yet are playing regular 1st team football at league one level. Gunnarsson too is only 19. Racic is a bit older at 21 but CBs tend to develop a little later. It's difficult though because as @BFC1997 says the goalposts keep moving for regular first team spots and if we did manage to get promoted then that level goes up again. It does appear to be fairly significant that the young players we've brought in recently for the B team have in general already played some form of pro mens football, rather than purely coming straight from an academy.
 

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But on a more positive note, I look at our first team squad now and see a number of players recruited for peanuts on the cusp. We didn't have this during the academy days. Forss, Racic, Sorensen, Roerslev, Gunnarsson, Balcombe, Zamburek, Oksanen. Some of these a big part of our setup already. Three of them getting regular game time at L1 level at a very young age. We aren't far off. You just feel it needs a Forss, Zamburek or Balcombe to play 40 games in a season to restore some confidence.
There's definitely a few in the pipeline but in reality that is as far as it goes so far. As you say once a player is making say 30/40 appearances a season then he could be considered a genuine first 11 player as opposed to a squad player. So far nobody has been in that position although Forss is probably the closest. Interesting that PG also threw in Finn Stevens name, I get the feeling they have genuine high hopes for him.
 
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Mind you, had Bjelland not picked up an injury would Mepham have got the game time he did? I still don't know what the answer is to success. Maybe 2 50+ in 3 years. Maybe not having to pay first team wages for players who would just be cover in case of injury.
 

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Mind you, had Bjelland not picked up an injury would Mepham have got the game time he did? I still don't know what the answer is to success. Maybe 2 50+ in 3 years. Maybe not having to pay first team wages for players who would just be cover in case of injury.
And that is why you want to avoid blocking pathways as much as possible.

Leeds have shown you can rely on youth a fair bit and still get promoted from this league. Significant minutes were given by them to Clarke, Stevens, Shackleton, Gott, Davis last season.
 
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And that is why you want to avoid blocking pathways as much as possible.

Leeds have shown you can rely on youth a fair bit and still get promoted from this league. Significant minutes were given by them to Clarke, Stevens, Shackleton, Gott, Davis last season.
Indeed.
 

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Andersson still doesn't get any minutes. Strange that with Thompson signed on a short term deal that he hasn't gone out on loan.
 

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Not sure how it works with loan players. Valgeirsson a case in point. I don't think anyone has come on loan and subsequently been signed? Is it more of a case of receiving a fee from the loanees club, plugging gaps in quality in the B team or establishing good links with overseas clubs.
 

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Not sure how it works with loan players. Valgeirsson a case in point. I don't think anyone has come on loan and subsequently been signed? Is it more of a case of receiving a fee from the loanees club, plugging gaps in quality in the B team or establishing good links with overseas clubs.
Valgeirsson is on loan with an option to buy I believe?
 

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Not sure how it works with loan players. Valgeirsson a case in point. I don't think anyone has come on loan and subsequently been signed? Is it more of a case of receiving a fee from the loanees club, plugging gaps in quality in the B team or establishing good links with overseas clubs.

We have the option to buy him at the end of the loan period.
 

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We have the option to buy him at the end of the loan period.
Fantastic very pleased to hear that. I value the views of the writer of the report so clearly we have another great talent at our disposal.
 

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Was not quite sure where to put this so

There’s a very good article on the Official Site Create a Super Hub, well worth a read, especially that there are a few lads who have moved on to other football clubs
 

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Worth updating this with both Forss and Sorenson starting to push themselves from first team squad players to players pushing hard for regular first team spots. Along with Roerslev, who I'd expect to do similar once back from injury that would give us 3 B teamers who could be considered at least rotational first teamers. Not a bad result for the B team I think and probably would be counted as enough success to keep the system going?
 

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Was not quite sure where to put this so

There’s a very good article on the Official Site Create a Super Hub, well worth a read, especially that there are a few lads who have moved on to other football clubs
Was looking forward to that, but nah, it's just copy/paste pap from previous articles they've posted.
 
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Worth updating this with both Forss and Sorenson starting to push themselves from first team squad players to players pushing hard for regular first team spots. Along with Roerslev, who I'd expect to do similar once back from injury that would give us 3 B teamers who could be considered at least rotational first teamers. Not a bad result for the B team I think and probably would be counted as enough success to keep the system going?
I reckon thats a good result...................... If we had 3-4 academy players pushing through we would be over the moon, and concerned about them being pinched off us by a bigger club.
 
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Oksanen and Racic neither in squad. I am presuming Oksanen still injured. Does anyone know what the problem is? Zamburek is on the bench for Shrewsbury. Disappointing the lack of starts. Even Read starts on the bench for Stevenage.
 

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Oksanen and Racic neither in squad. I am presuming Oksanen still injured. Does anyone know what the problem is? Zamburek is on the bench for Shrewsbury. Disappointing the lack of starts. Even Read starts on the bench for Stevenage.
Oksanen got injured a couple of weeks back but no mention of what the issue is. Think he'd been doing ok. Racic appears to be struggling in a v direct Northampton side and Zamburek getting bits and pieces but sounds like he's having trouble with the physical side of league one. Read had been doing very well though for Stevenage, was player of the month for October.
 

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Interesting Presley on first team bench. Yet I've not been convinced by him in B teams. But what do I know?
 

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For me the validity in the team project is simply seeing B team graduates in the first team squad. They are all there on legitimate merit. When I see those names appear it signals we are a progressive club with an effective system and it gives me, a fan, a huge lift. It makes me feel proud of our club.

I think we've perhaps gotten used to a very good thing. Namely it seems of those B teamers who have stepped up and been given a chance many if not all have not looked out of place playing in the Championship. I think that is massive wether they look like superstars or bit part players is another matter.
 

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Birmingham scrapping their Academy and going down the B team route now.......
 

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Reaction seems...negative overall. I think some are more cynical that it's not done as a 'new innovative strategy', so much as just cutting costs from overspending...

That said, the new Brexit consequences mean I think we'll see others follow suit...younger players are going to be snapped up a lot easier now that there are less options available for U18's. Our model makes a hell of a lot more sense than the traditional academy one at the moment.
 

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If they are in need of a wake up, Haygarth's first team call and debut should serve as motivation for some of our B team attackers. "He's with us on loan for two months and makes his debut?!".
 
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Still not much game time for the League 1 loanees. Looks like MBS and MF appearances will be radically different in total come the end of the season. Potentially a very productive season.
 

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I wonder whether Maghoma and Mogensen will be back in the mix in the New Year? Been a real shame for both of them that they haven't featured much as both must have been close to first team reckoning. Seems to have been a particularly bad year for injuries for the B team so far..
 

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I wonder whether Maghoma and Mogensen will be back in the mix in the New Year? Been a real shame for both of them that they haven't featured much as both must have been close to first team reckoning. Seems to have been a particularly bad year for injuries for the B team so far..
Do we know for sure if Maghoma is injured? I have seen no report of an injury just noticed that he has been missing for a good while now.
 

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Do we know for sure if Maghoma is injured? I have seen no report of an injury just noticed that he has been missing for a good while now.
I'd assume so, he came back for 45 minutes a while back and then disappeared again.
 

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I wonder whether Maghoma and Mogensen will be back in the mix in the New Year? Been a real shame for both of them that they haven't featured much as both must have been close to first team reckoning. Seems to have been a particularly bad year for injuries for the B team so far..
Add to that Bidstrup, who there really has been a communications blackout on!
 

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Add to that Bidstrup, who there really has been a communications blackout on!
MacFarlane said he was out for 'some months' so assume for the season. V unlucky as he was already training with the first team after only a couple of weeks at the club
 

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MacFarlane said he was out for 'some months' so assume for the season. V unlucky as he was already training with the first team after only a couple of weeks at the club
I wonder if we'd have signed Janelt if he hadn't got injured.
 

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Good for Alex "Gilbz" Gilbert to get on the bench tonight.
Really pleased. Surprised he hasn't had a chance before now. He's been so consistently quality for the B team this season. Puts the ball in the net too...
 
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Thought I would update this as we are around the half way mark of the season. Delighted to see a couple of first team debuts, but the biggest congratulations for Mads Bech Sorensen half way to 50 starts. Marcus Forss also getting serious game time and a contract extension.

played As of 07/01/2021
Patrik Gunnarsson 3 (1)
Chris Mepham 42 (6)
Mads Bech Sorensen 10 (2) 25 (3)
Luca Racic 7 (2)
Mads Roerslev 6 (6)
Jan Zamburek 4 (14) 6 (14)
Marcus Forss 4 (8) 10 (25)

I think we can safely presume that Mads Roerslev would have added to his appearances but for the injury.
 

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Thought I would update this as we are around the half way mark of the season. Delighted to see a couple of first team debuts, but the biggest congratulations for Mads Bech Sorensen half way to 50 starts. Marcus Forss also getting serious game time and a contract extension.

played As of 07/01/2021
Patrik Gunnarsson 3 (1)
Chris Mepham 42 (6)
Mads Bech Sorensen 10 (2) 25 (3)
Luca Racic 7 (2)
Mads Roerslev 6 (6)
Jan Zamburek 4 (14) 6 (14)
Marcus Forss 4 (8) 10 (25)

I think we can safely presume that Mads Roerslev would have added to his appearances but for the injury.
Roerslev too..
 

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