Baptiste Injury Update

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Jesus.. Didn't realise quite how serious the injury was.. Good to see him back out on the grass, he looked like he was doing more than just straight line running so hopefully he'll be back ok for pre-season next season..
 

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Hats off to Shandon for his honesty around the work he has put in to help rebuild himself after some major surgery.

It is also a fantastic insight into the effort and energy by all the staff at the club to help a player rebuild their strength and confidence when coming back from a major injury.
 

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Hats off to Shandon for his honesty around the work he has put in to help rebuild himself after some major surgery.

It is also a fantastic insight into the effort and energy by all the staff at the club to help a player rebuild their strength and confidence when coming back from a major injury.
We’ve got form for bringing new recruits up to fitness. E.g Mc Echran, Macloud, Hogan, Henry, DaSilva, Baptiste. Maybe we get them cheap cos they may not get better, or cost a lot to fix.
 

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Excellent video. Gives an insight to the path back from serious injury. Seems a very strong character, so hopefully he can make it back to his previous form.
 

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Excellent video. Gives an insight to the path back from serious injury. Seems a very strong character, so hopefully he can make it back to his previous form.
What was his injury?
 

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Nice.

Would be great to have those two fighting to start next season.

Fingers crossed.
 

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We’ve got form for bringing new recruits up to fitness. E.g Mc Echran, Macloud, Hogan, Henry, DaSilva, Baptiste. Maybe we get them cheap cos they may not get better, or cost a lot to fix.
Not sure we ever got those two fit.
 

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That was some work outs.Very interesting information. That gym is some temporary building the amount of gear in there to an old fellow is amazing.

Another good insight to the great club that we love to support
 

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Listening to Neil Greig speak, Shandon sounds pretty battered to a 23 year old player. If there is one medical team to trust him with in the country would be ours.

Really hope Shandon gets a clear run of injuries. Seems so far so good. I suspect start of next season may be a bit too soon. I hope I am wrong
 

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An extensive update from Neil Greig here in the latest of Shandon's own video update (this is by FAR the most interesting bit of the video 🥰 )

I concur and have transcribed

To give you a little bit of background Shandon came to us 18 months or so ago with quite an extensive injury history. So he'd had two or three really big joint injuries, one of which was an ACL injury to that right knee and associated with that he had a number of areas of wear and tear in that joint that he was going to carry with him for the rest of his career.

Now unfortunately the beginning of this season against West Brom he extended one of those areas of wear and tear. So it was a tear to the lateral meniscus which is this kind of shock absorbing tissue that sits inside the knee joint, and we initially fell and hope that we can manage that problem conservatively.

So what I mean by that is without the need for surgery because for obvious reasons that the fewer surgeries a player has what an athlete has through their career to better. And we've got Shandon back to play.

And unfortunately, that wasn't a successful management plan so he extended that tear in the lateral meniscus further, we went back into training quite shortly after. So, what we were left with was quite complex issue with the lateral meniscus or the meniscus on the outside of the knee.

And the issue we have with that is that the lateral or the outside part of the knee, takes around about 70% of the load of these guys when they're running around so to try and save that meniscus that shock absorber within the knee was really quite important

So the surgery that he had with our consultant in London was quite extensive, and the aim really was to repair the meniscus rather than remove it and really try and prolong the longevity of Shandon's knee for the future of his career, if he'd have been a much older athlete the approach might have been quite different.

But really the aim was to try and repair, what could be repaired of the lateral meniscus and minimise the amount that was taken away.

So, Shannon's rehab so far has been really the start point of it was really quite slow so we spent a long time on crutches - almost 12 weeks on crutches - to try and allow the meniscus as much opportunity is possible to heal.

By allowing time to heal, giving the best possible chance of then not retiring or re-injuring when we start to put load for the joints so the first 12 weeks was really very slow, from that 12 week point onwards it's been a progressive kind of increase in strength programmes trying to really improve his quad function improve all the muscles at work over the joint also reconnect with his brain.

With the joint, so you're trying to make him perform or trying to ask him to perform, sort of, progressively more complex movements that he's eventually going to take on to the pitch into his kind of pitch-based rehab and then eventually is returned to to try.

So next steps I mean we've been pretty much four and a half months gym based.

He's obviously learn to walk again. He's been utilising the ATG treadmill so the anti-gravity treadmill and progressively kind of increasing body weights to try and put progressive weight through the joint. So far, we've not had any adverse reaction so he's responded really well to that.

The next stage is really now he's, he's ticked, several of the boxes we want to see from a strength perspective joint control perspective, the joint isn't swelling up he's not getting any sort of horrible lucky or clicking in the joint.

So really now he's at a point where we want to take that gym base work out onto the pitch and start to build his confidence in in straight lines essentially so linear acceleration deceleration because most of these guys will get injured or re-injured by decelerating, so if they're not confident decelerating when they go back into training them to put themselves in increased risk.
 

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We’ve got form for bringing new recruits up to fitness. E.g Mc Echran, Macloud, Hogan, Henry, DaSilva, Baptiste. Maybe we get them cheap cos they may not get better, or cost a lot to fix.

Sergi too and, from memory, Josefzoon had had a serious knee issue when we brought him in
 

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I tore the miniscus in my left knee about 6 months ago. Very painful and a long way back, I wish I had the BFC medical staff looking after me!
 

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Shandon us 🐝 fans can’t wait to see you in the match day squad again. Keep up the good work.🐝
 

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Whatever happen to a cold sponge and some Deep Heat . Seriously though what a great team we have behind the scenes. Shandon is a bright intelligent lad A* in maths !
 

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In the League Two days when players suffered bad injuries, they usually weren’t signed to long term contracts and I would expect the medical team we have now is at a much higher level.

It makes you wonder how many good players we’ve had over the years that ended up in non-league or retiring early as a result of an unfortunate challenge or fall in training or in a match. Ross Montague is one that I instantly remember, was playing regularly in L1/L2 as a teenager. Charlie Ide was another, although it’s been mentioned that there was more to that than injury I think?
 

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In the League Two days when players suffered bad injuries, they usually weren’t signed to long term contracts and I would expect the medical team we have now is at a much higher level.

It makes you wonder how many good players we’ve had over the years that ended up in non-league or retiring early as a result of an unfortunate challenge or fall in training or in a match. Ross Montague is one that I instantly remember, was playing regularly in L1/L2 as a teenager. Charlie Ide was another, although it’s been mentioned that there was more to that than injury I think?

Tony Mahoney springs to mind
 

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How did he do the injury? (In training, game etc) 🐝

Haven’t you read the transcript above by rebus?

All you need to know is in there…..
 

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Listening to the podcast it didn't sound like a great situation to me as a layman. I know that can do wonders these days with this type of injury and really hope that they can get him back playing regularly but it came across that he has quite a chronic problem with his knee that must cast doubt over his future career at our level.
 

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Listening to the podcast it didn't sound like a great situation to me as a layman. I know that can do wonders these days with this type of injury and really hope that they can get him back playing regularly but it came across that he has quite a chronic problem with his knee that must cast doubt over his future career at our level.

I think that's why they decided to go for the surgery and the long recovery period. Reading between the lines when Neil Grieg said that the options would be different for an older athlete, you get the impression that that might have been career ending but seemed like they had a lot of confidence in this process sorting it out..
 

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I think that's why they decided to go for the surgery and the long recovery period. Reading between the lines when Neil Grieg said that the options would be different for an older athlete, you get the impression that that might have been career ending but seemed like they had a lot of confidence in this process sorting it out..

I had a similar injury - bucket handle tear - but with my medial meniscus. Cartilage is difficult to repair as there is no direct blood flow near the tissue, so healing is problematic, so repairing is not always successful. In my case, being older (in my 40s at the time) they decided a successful repair was unlikely so most of the meniscus was removed. I was advised never to run or play football again. Coming out of the blue (& I was still playing every week) it was quite a shock. I was dismayed watching the video as it felt perilously close to a career ending injury. Hopefully all is now good for SB & he can recover & have a great career.
 

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I’m sure I heard a story that we once signed someone (Feeney?) with no knees left, ie written off and insurers had paid out.

Many careers were blighted/cut short by these injuries, not just Bees. Colin Bell, Brian Clough....
 

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I think that's why they decided to go for the surgery and the long recovery period. Reading between the lines when Neil Grieg said that the options would be different for an older athlete, you get the impression that that might have been career ending but seemed like they had a lot of confidence in this process sorting it out..

this is why I would worry about his longevity. Both as a play and in his personal life
 

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I’m sure I heard a story that we once signed someone (Feeney?) with no knees left, ie written off and insurers had paid out.

You mean Andy Feeley? I think he presented his knee on a golden platter to John Barnes at Anfield as he waltzed past him for one of their goals..
 
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