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Missing just three players yes, however, we have one of the smallest squads of genuine first team players in the league. That is the essence of the problem. We can only afford top quality players if we only have a very small squad. Janelt is not playing out of position, he may not be as good as Marcondes (opinion) but believe it or not he was out of position playing defensive mid field even though he did very well there. Thomas Frank has a very limited choices available to him, and consequently after a poor result he quickly finds himself being hung out to dry. The suggestion that he play three at the back quickly runs into the problem of Sorrensen who is not by any stretch of the imagination an overlapping full back, and I am not sure that Roeslev is quite there yet. This is football, there are no easy answers in life, and there are no easy answers in football. Someone once said that at anyone time 95% of football fans are disappointed, and that seems about right to me. The Stock Market had the best day since Christmas, and I will go to bed thinking of that instead of football, and I will be more contented when I wake up tomorrow.

I am not a critic of TF far from it but I do find him stubborn. The performance on Saturday was blah. He surely should have changed it around tonight. Leave aside the combination of Norgaard and Vitaly playing in the same side but I can’t fathom Fosu not starting tonight. Every club in the league has had injuries and to a degree we have suffered less than most. Yes we do have a small squad and with that I still can’t comprehend us loaning out both Thompson and Halli. There are bigger problems in the world than whether Brentford go up or not and i for one have loved our championship experience. But just want one season in the Premiership to say yes I’ve experienced it. Last year was a huge chance that we bottled it. Don’t want us to again but looking likely (sadly).
 

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.....i guess it's a manc thing....stirring the pot.

Not stirring the pot. I’m a big TF backer. I was away at Hull when we lost 2 nil in abysmal conditions. The Bees were at the bottom of the table, and things were looking bleak, but TF came over and clapped us afterwards despite the boo birds. Hard to watch, but I believed in him and he got us so very close last year. But this is twice now where we have crumbled when staring success in the face.
He’s had 3 seasons now, and with us spending 6 million on Toney, this club clearly has lofty goals. Predictable subs, resorting to hoof ball, I just don’t see him taking us to the next level.

Plus, I hear Steve Bruce may be available at the end of the season 😉
 

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Scum.

Maybe Ivan should just ‘grow a pair’

proper scum,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to be fair toney looks like the kind of bloke whod be happy to take em all on at the same time and i know whod win ;) ......theres some proper wrong uns out there......and id bet theyre nothing to do with brentford either......probably some qpr clowns winding it all up or an ip address in eastern europe
 

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We’re not talking about a lucky pair of socks though are we; he demonstrably contributed to our best form of the season when we scoring for fun a couple of months ago.

He has had at most two or three decent games. He rarely changes the game when he comes on as sub. Pretty much all he has going for him, sorry to say, is this rather dubious statistic!
 

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If it’s a choice between the two of them I’d choose Janelt every time

After tonight? Madness! Norgaard was excellent. Janelt's a great DM, but he hasn't got the technique at the moment to play the quick football we want to around the box.
 

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He has had at most two or three decent games. He rarely changes the game when he comes on as sub. Pretty much all he has going for him, sorry to say, is this rather dubious statistic!

I'm with you on this one. He's one of those players that get better the more games they miss.. Struggles to keep hold of the ball and ends up going down dead ends. Decision making is no better than Canos' was earlier in the season. Sergi is definitely improving on that and Fosu is a few years older.. Pretty significant that despite Mbeumo's troubles with form Tarique's not been getting starts ahead of him..
 

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Tough three games for Watford coming up, real chance they could get only three points at best

Three wins for us would put us within three points

So, in two weeks time, it could be back in our hands for the top two.

Stranger things have happened! :owusu: :bounce::sorted:
 

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After tonight? Madness! Norgaard was excellent. Janelt's a great DM, but he hasn't got the technique at the moment to play the quick football we want to around the box.

Our best moments all came from Janelt playing passes others, particularly Jensen, were scared to make, the through ball to Canos being the prime example. Once he’s gone off we did nothing.

Norgaard still doesn’t look 100%
 

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Tough three games for Watford coming up, real chance they could get only three points at best

Three wins for us would put us within three points

So, in two weeks time, it could be back in our hands for the top two.

Stranger things have happened! :owusu: :bounce::sorted:

I honestly don't think we're that far off things clicking. I think the reaction tonight is more a reflection of a run of games than the performance this evening. We played some really nice stuff at times and the tempo was v good first half. It felt like if we got the goal we'd have probably seen another 5-0 as Birmingham were struggling but then the longer the second half went without it happening you, and probably the players too, got the feeling it just wasn't going to be our night. At least we managed a clean sheet and didn't give away any gifts today. Just need someone to take a bloody chance and kickstart the rest of the season..
 

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F*cking sick of this season. Fanbase well and truly divided, team that looks bereft of ideas, a manager who doesn’t seem to want to change tactically or knows how to but in the same breath who was not backed in the transfer window. And to top it all off no pubs are open to drown my sorrows.
 

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I am not a critic of TF far from it but I do find him stubborn. The performance on Saturday was blah. He surely should have changed it around tonight. Leave aside the combination of Norgaard and Vitaly playing in the same side but I can’t fathom Fosu not starting tonight. Every club in the league has had injuries and to a degree we have suffered less than most. Yes we do have a small squad and with that I still can’t comprehend us loaning out both Thompson and Halli. There are bigger problems in the world than whether Brentford go up or not and i for one have loved our championship experience. But just want one season in the Premiership to say yes I’ve experienced it. Last year was a huge chance that we bottled it. Don’t want us to again but looking likely (sadly).
Yes I do know where you are coming from. We are all in the same boat, supported rubbish for a lifetime and are now within touching distance of the top league, almost. We are all suffering the same pressure as the players, and manager which is probably the reason for these last few performances. In all honesty do you think that either Halli or Thompson would add anything to the team they are no different to any of the other kids we put on the bench. Fosu, Macondes, Ghoddas, Reid, and that is about it. I would not trust Goode to look after my cat, and all the others are prospect ( kids). Let’s hope that we can get JD , Henry and HD back fighting fit for the play offs, unless Watford also have a wobble. Think about your investments on a resurgent stock market!!
 

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Luckily we are not in a relegation fight - we would be going down 😢

that was just rubbish again.

We are third in the championship and unbeaten in 7 and people are comparing us to relegation teams.

I can’t believe what I am fuccking reading some times.

We really do have some grade one belters following this club.
 

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Agree. I think Mhead is working on the premise that Swansea will score fewer points than us as they are even worse. That may well be true, but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of our chances in the POs, is it. If we scrape into the POs in this form, we can forget about Wembley, let alone the PL. :sueme:

I am basing it on the fact that not one but 4 teams have to over take us, we are unbeaten in 7, we need to turn that into 7 defeats and hope that one of those teams that has just lost 4 in a row will win the remainder of their games.

Anyone who thinks we will drop out of the play offs is just being ridiculous and needs to clean the bed sheets.
 

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So barring a miracle we probably know where we stand now and it’s about picking up enough points to ensure we make the playoffs , seems to me Barnsley and Bournemouth are nailed on on current form with one of Us , Swansea and Reading to miss out . To ensure that doesn’t happen we surely need to make a few subtle changes to the way we play otherwise we risk just getting the same end result.
I’ve been saying for a while Janelt at Left back is surely worth a go , he’d give us way more options going forwards , MBS whilst solid defensively is totally one dimensional on the ball and it may enable us to get forward quicker and get those all important overlaps going to get to the byline and cross the ball into really dangerous areas rather than lumping over from deep positions which is what’s happening at the moment and why Toney isn’t scoring , bar penalties .
That would enable a more attacking midfield combination backed up by Noorgard as DM , as many others have said Forss needs more than 10 minute cameos stuck out wide. We have to have a formation fixed to allow him to play properly alongside Toney that we can adapt to with at least 20 mins plus stoppage time otherwise we’re just wasting Forrs and his development has gone backwards this year so far.
Then we just have to hope Rico and Josh can ride to the rescue with a couple of games left and we can go into the playoffs in some sort of form as we all know what this team is capable of at it’s best which at the moment is becoming a distant memory !!
 

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Please don’t wish fans away 😳last few seasons have brought many in many fans,frustration is we are so close and MB knows this, Managers do have favourites and sometimes will not drop certain players, remember Toral under Warbarton playing extremely well but not able to get a start when the team performing poorly at the end of the season and lost miserably in the playoffs with Toral sitting on the bench😡

Toral was sh*t in all but one game, that is why he has been a bench player in relegation strugglers in the championship his entire career.
 

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What people have always praised about Brentford is our identity. But on the pitch our identity has gone out the window over the past few weeks - this simply doesn't look like a Brentford team at the moment. The quick passing football has disappeared, and we're struggling to create chances.

Frank has done an unbelievable job in improving us defensively, which was always what stopped Smith from getting us around the top 6, but he's gone so negative over the past few weeks. I can't fathom why we're playing Norgaard and Janelt together at home against Birmingham, during a period when we're struggling to score goals and have a severely reduced threat from full-back.

I don't blame the players for our current form. Some of them simply aren't good enough for a top 2 Championship side, and I'm not seeing any lack of effort from them. For a club that is generally so well run by intelligent people, there have been some baffling tactics/selections in recent games as well as in the January window, and it's really costing us now.
 

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One of our players has said that social media abuse affected them.
I’m not sure why you think that is funny.
I am not a critic of TF far from it but I do find him stubborn. The performance on Saturday was blah. He surely should have changed it around tonight. Leave aside the combination of Norgaard and Vitaly playing in the same side but I can’t fathom Fosu not starting tonight. Every club in the league has had injuries and to a degree we have suffered less than most. Yes we do have a small squad and with that I still can’t comprehend us loaning out both Thompson and Halli. There are bigger problems in the world than whether Brentford go up or not and i for one have loved our championship experience. But just want one season in the Premiership to say yes I’ve experienced it. Last year was a huge chance that we bottled it. Don’t want us to again but looking likely (sadly).
I don’t know whether there’s anything the club will want us to know regarding the transfer window last January, but something went awry that hasn’t been explained to us poor ignorant fans, save an admission that we were in the market but came away empty handed (except Reid on loan). It’s proving to be quite a headache for Thomas to manage the team selection.
 

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Tough three games for Watford coming up, real chance they could get only three points at best

Three wins for us would put us within three points

So, in two weeks time, it could be back in our hands for the top two.

Stranger things have happened! :owusu: :bounce::sorted:

They have but we looked tired. Bowyer has injected some discipline and they will be happy with the point. We have both first choice full backs out, and a captain who has gone missing on the pitch since last year. TF hasn’t decided fully on whether Pinnock or Reid should get a run beside Pontus.

Da Silva is a big miss and Forss has lost his mojo. With all this in mind it’s not a surprise we are creaking a little.
 

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I don’t know whether there’s anything the club will want us to know regarding the transfer window last January, but something went awry that hasn’t been explained to us poor ignorant fans, save an admission that we were in the market but came away empty handed (except Reid on loan). It’s proving to be quite a headache for Thomas to manage the team selection.

Ankersen did tell us in an interview, pre match, on sky before the Forest game
 

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I'd hate for us to become like Watford and sack a manager just because the last few games have gone not according to plan. It would have to be a long losing run which carries on well into next season before that question should even be pondered.

Watford changing manager has gotten them promotion, and sadly denied us our automatic spot.

It looks like Bournemouth have injected life back into there season aswell.
 

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I'm not sure I would describe it as 'our' automatic spot, but on the balance of the last month and a half, you can't argue we've deserved it. It's a huge shame but we're just not performing at the moment, while Watford have the players and now the coherence to go up.

Maybe it would have been different with Rico and JDS, but another thing on my mind is that we had by far the shortest summer break. Maybe that is catching up with us to a degree...
 

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Was up til 4am watching and once again off to bed, tired grumpy and frustrated so didnt post. The oppositions team talk is very easy against us now, keep Toney quiet, dont give away a penalty, press hard all game and get a point. This is from teams in the bottom 6. I think where I get most frustrated recently is with 15 minutes or so to go, we give the opposition so many chances to waste a couple of minutes. Before we know it 90 minutes are on the clock with the game gone and we have barely had a shot. Surely we have to tweak things a little and try something because we still have a great chance of going up but not the way things are right now.
 

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Ankersen did tell us in an interview, pre match, on sky before the Forest game
Oh, apologies, I don’t remember. All I can recollect is that we got let down because someone moved the goalposts in negotiating. Do you know who we were trying for, and, more importantly, what positions?
 

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Tough three games for Watford coming up, real chance they could get only three points at best

Three wins for us would put us within three points

So, in two weeks time, it could be back in our hands for the top two.

Stranger things have happened! :owusu: :bounce::sorted:

This is where it always goes wrong in the last matches...
Looking a at the table, dropping out of the playoffs looks more realistic than reaching second spot.
Probably we should re-focus.
 

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They have but we looked tired. Bowyer has injected some discipline and they will be happy with the point. We have both first choice full backs out, and a captain who has gone missing on the pitch since last year. TF hasn’t decided fully on whether Pinnock or Reid should get a run beside Pontus.

Da Silva is a big miss and Forss has lost his mojo. With all this in mind it’s not a surprise we are creaking a little.

Harsh on Forss I would say. He’s unlikely to change much only getting 5 minute cameos. Personally I would try Toney and Forss together and go 442 at least until JDS and Rico are back
 

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After a nights rest and further thoughts , Re Watford and the rest, win our game in hand home to Rotherham beat Watford we will be only 3 points behind Watford . Watford and us need to win our remaining games,
Who’s run in is better, let’s see

9/4 Watford v Reading 10/4 Preston v Brentford
17/4 Luton v Watford. Brentford v Millwall
20/4 Norwich v Watford Brentford v Cardiff
24/4 Watford v Millwall. Bournemouth v Brentford
27/4 Brentford v Rotherham
1/5 Brentford v Watford
8/5 Watford v Swansea. Bristol City v Brentford

We have to start winning from this coming Saturday ,
 

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Injury to the poisonous Deeney has boosted Watford. Not the appointment of yet another identikit foreign Manager.
Changing to 433, getting Hughes fit and in the middle of the pitch and having an attacking manager who is not like their defensive coach Ivic at all is when they changed completely. Slightly regressed to more caution last two games though and nerves will do funny things to teams... but if they are ‘on it’ they could win any of their remaining games.
 

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After a nights rest and further thoughts , Re Watford and the rest, win our game in hand home to Rotherham beat Watford we will be only 3 points behind Watford . Watford and us need to win our remaining games,
Who’s run in is better, let’s see

9/4 Watford v Reading 10/4 Preston v Brentford
17/4 Luton v Watford. Brentford v Millwall
20/4 Norwich v Watford Brentford v Cardiff
24/4 Watford v Millwall. Bournemouth v Brentford
27/4 Brentford v Rotherham
1/5 Brentford v Watford
8/5 Watford v Swansea. Bristol City v Brentford

We have to start winning from this coming Saturday ,

After a night's sleep the stats are even more brutally honest. We were 16th from the last ten games before last night. Thomas isn't going to change the system and will likely start the same team against Preston. We're very lucky Swansea have more problems than us as it might keep our play off place. At the minute it's likely we'll finish with an away second leg play off (5th or 6th) and I'd take that if offered now.
 

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They have but we looked tired. Bowyer has injected some discipline and they will be happy with the point. We have both first choice full backs out, and a captain who has gone missing on the pitch since last year. TF hasn’t decided fully on whether Pinnock or Reid should get a run beside Pontus.

Da Silva is a big miss and Forss has lost his mojo. With all this in mind it’s not a surprise we are creaking a little.

Forss scored against France in Paris, due to still having confidence from a loan spell at Wimbledon. He started the season well with us, but in any job over time a manager can eat away at your confidence. In this situation it's very unfair to say Forss has lost his "mojo". Thomas's management of him has been brutal to say the least, what is the lad expected to do in 5 minutes. We have a great striker there if managed well could be asset for half an hour in games we're struggling to break teams down in.

No tactical awareness has impacted Forss and he must disappointed, we need to be careful with him because I can't see him or his agent putting up with this for another season. To be honest he is too good and with the correct coaching is PL quality in my opinion. We couldn't blame him if he wanted away from Thomas playing him for 5 minutes in the summer.
 

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Norgard being available again has messed with TFs head. CN is great, Thomas loves him, but Janelt has been immense.

I’ll play them both, he decides. Fine in some matches. The right matches. But did we need them both against Forest and Brum at home? And Derby away. Are we really worried about these lower third teams that much that we need to stodge up the middle of midfield and lose attacking threat?

That’s anti football that we’ve accused many other teams of from our lofty perch.
 

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After a nights rest and further thoughts , Re Watford and the rest, win our game in hand home to Rotherham beat Watford we will be only 3 points behind Watford . Watford and us need to win our remaining games,
Who’s run in is better, let’s see

9/4 Watford v Reading 10/4 Preston v Brentford
17/4 Luton v Watford. Brentford v Millwall
20/4 Norwich v Watford Brentford v Cardiff
24/4 Watford v Millwall. Bournemouth v Brentford
27/4 Brentford v Rotherham
1/5 Brentford v Watford
8/5 Watford v Swansea. Bristol City v Brentford

We have to start winning from this coming Saturday ,
Not going to happen though, is it? 4 draws recently against 4 of the poorest sides in the division. We have to get 2 or 3 wins and pray that Josh and Rico are fully fit for the play off campaign (and this didn't look nailed on from what I read yesterday).
 

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F*cking sick of this season. Fanbase well and truly divided, team that looks bereft of ideas, a manager who doesn’t seem to want to change tactically or knows how to but in the same breath who was not backed in the transfer window. And to top it all off no pubs are open to drown my sorrows.
[/QUOTEWe're probably going to end the season at the highest level we've achieved since my first game in 1959 and since the 1938-39 season (Bees historians - please correct me if I'm wrong), and we're playing good football, in possibly the toughest and most exciting league in the world. The naysayers need a reality check.
 

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We're probably going to end the season at the highest level we've achieved since my first game in 1959 and since the 1938-39 season (Bees historians - please correct me if I'm wrong), and we're playing good football, in possibly the toughest and most exciting league in the world. The naysayers need a reality check.
 

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So so poor. Frank is trying so hard to make the same thing work - Sorensen is not working at LB. Mbeumo is not going to become the player we want him to be after so many starts and so late in the season. He has neither the trickery or desire that Fosu and Canos both show on a regular basis.

Norgaard and Janelt isn't working as we'd like. Even then we had chances to win it and the lack of quality was again alarming. Jensen, meant to be the ball playing technician, was horrible last night.

The whole night was summed up when Raya touched a ball out for a throw in the dying stages - clumsy and a lack of quality.
 

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We're probably going to end the season at the highest level we've achieved since my first game in 1959 and since the 1938-39 season (Bees historians - please correct me if I'm wrong), and we're playing good football, in possibly the toughest and most exciting league in the world. The naysayers need a reality check.

Didn’t we finish 3rd less than 12 months ago?
 

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After a nights rest and further thoughts , Re Watford and the rest, win our game in hand home to Rotherham beat Watford we will be only 3 points behind Watford . Watford and us need to win our remaining games,
Who’s run in is better, let’s see

9/4 Watford v Reading 10/4 Preston v Brentford
17/4 Luton v Watford. Brentford v Millwall
20/4 Norwich v Watford Brentford v Cardiff
24/4 Watford v Millwall. Bournemouth v Brentford
27/4 Brentford v Rotherham
1/5 Brentford v Watford
8/5 Watford v Swansea. Bristol City v Brentford

We have to start winning from this coming Saturday ,

To have any chance I reckon we'll need minimum 5 wins - and even then we'll be very lucky. Will probably need to win all and given our last 4 games, we just are no where near good enough in the final third. We are slow and predictable in our build up. Fine margins etc yes but we just don't turn up for 90 minutes at the moment, it's usually one ok/good half followed by a totally nothing/bad half.

I think our main focus should be to get enough points to secure a top 6 spot as we are more likely to fall out of the top 6 rather than break into the top 2.
 

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I'm with you on this one. He's one of those players that get better the more games they miss.. Struggles to keep hold of the ball and ends up going down dead ends. Decision making is no better than Canos' was earlier in the season. Sergi is definitely improving on that and Fosu is a few years older.. Pretty significant that despite Mbeumo's troubles with form Tarique's not been getting starts ahead of him..
Disagree, he’s been one of our best players when he starts, which is less than one in three. He makes us a better team, which the results clearly show. And deserves a proper chance.
 

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Oh, apologies, I don’t remember. All I can recollect is that we got let down because someone moved the goalposts in negotiating. Do you know who we were trying for, and, more importantly, what positions?
I dont know who we were after, if anyone.

Ankersen explained how our recruitment is having to be re-evaluated due to changes that were out our clubs hands.

Our lack of signings in the summer and January look to be a result of what Ankersen explained.
 

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Another insipid serving of sterile predictable football. We’ve lost our mojo but don’t seem to be doing anything differently to rediscover it

Canos played well tonight but missed the game’s defining chance. But he drove us forwards. The Mads Brothers had better games and we looked relatively OK at CB

Toney completely isolated again, and tbh he looks a bit knackered. his flicks are great but we normally have nobody near him. And when he gets a chance to power through he doesn’t seem to get away properly so it’s normally a long distance shot. His goal scoring is immense but I think we miss Ollie running the channels more than we admit

Bryan making all the right runs but looks terrified when composure is needed. The weekly lottery of which of Jensen, Ghoddos and Marcondes can completely underwhelm in midfield (despite apparent ability) ended in a dead heat of crass sh*tness

The Raya throw-in debacle at the very end pretty well summed up our recent performances in it’s soul destroying ineptness
I liked the bit about the weekly midfield lottery! They’re all good players, but any combination doesn’t seem to matter an awful lot. Still, your wording made me smile. Not so sure about ineptness though, I think you’ll have to play a sub on the 70th minute, and put ineptitude on!
 
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