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We're probably going to end the season at the highest level we've achieved since my first game in 1959 and since the 1938-39 season (Bees historians - please correct me if I'm wrong), and we're playing good football, in possibly the toughest and most exciting league in the world. The naysayers need a reality check.

Im no naysayer. Am more than fully on board with the plan & how BFC want to achieve that. Im no social media pleb who berates our club or players every game.
Knowing the clubs ambitions and fully believe this season was to be a step up on last, i am justifiably pissed off at how this season has ended up. More so after how it ended last season.
For me Its a mix on how sh*t & predictable our ganlmes have been for 11 games, and the reason why our recruitment is being held back.
 

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I am basing it on the fact that not one but 4 teams have to over take us, we are unbeaten in 7, we need to turn that into 7 defeats and hope that one of those teams that has just lost 4 in a row will win the remainder of their games.

Anyone who thinks we will drop out of the play offs is just being ridiculous and needs to clean the bed sheets.

Explain to me how they have to win the remainder of their games when they're four points behind with six remaining.
 

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Today our dream of Auto Promotion ended.

Standing on the grubby terraces at Elm Park all those years ago, boos ringing in my ears from many fellow fans after a dire 0-0 draw, I felt exactly the same. We all know what happened next.

Is it likely to happen again? No.

Might it happen again? You bet! :)
 

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Standing on the grubby terraces at Elm Park all those years ago, boos ringing in my ears from many fellow fans after a dire 0-0 draw, I felt exactly the same. We all know what happened next.

Is it likely to happen again? No.

Might it happen again? You bet! :)

“Where are the doubters now” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it in a Danish accent 😊
 

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If they are our supporters abusing Ivan racially then please do one and f**k off.
If they are on here then pm me with a good reason why you should not.
Pm me anyway to defend your comments.
Weigh Anchors.
And this country isn't racist !!!!!
Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread for a bit of context 👍
Or just read my posts on this thread. You’ll get the drift.
 

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Looking at the highlights 3 points were there for the taking. But Canos and Jensen lost composure and their goalie made lot of good saves. Looked more like Bees of couple of months ago a lot faster and flowing.
 

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I still think we can get automatic, I still think we can drop out of the play-offs. I don't think either is likely. We are shattered, and it comes down to how shattered the others are. Interesting to see how Swans and Cardiff recent form is, as they were also in the play-offs last season. TF is sticking to the safe hands and the same formation, because, as we should know, when mentally/physically shattered, you stick to what you know. With the need to get a result and the options available would many of us put a different team out? We have a plan and in the main stick to it. I believe we have over achieved this season. That's thanks to TF, staff and players. I didn't think we were favourites for automatic. I hoped for top half. Wished for top six and prayed for autos. We have all seen what this team can do at times this season. Cast your mind back.
 

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What gives me hope is that a turnaround in form is only ever one game away. Sometimes, it's a moment in a game that can change an entire season.
Watford's run-in is horrible, and one loss when we win, and we only have to match their results and beat them when we face them, and we're up. That's it.
What is frustrating everyone, is that we just cannot see a turnaround in form. I see the same things as everyone else does. But some of the form that saw us play much better earlier in the season hasn't completely deserted us. Yes, we miss Rico and JDS massively, but in truth, we are still extremely difficult to beat. We are less clinical in front of goal, and we're not playing with the same kind of confidence as we know we can, but just one win, maybe just one goal, could turn it around.
Plenty more twists and turns left in this season...I hope.
 

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I've watched a few Brentford games this season on the box - thoroughly enjoyable football. You are without doubt the best team to have visited Vicarage Road, this season. Its been a long hard grind of a season for all the teams in the Championship, in this - hopefully - unique season. I think the physical & mental side has taken its toll on some of the teams, especially Swansea, and to a lesser extent Brentford. You've had a marvellous season, played some lovely stuff & have a good manager. So maybe you shouldn't be so self critical (there's 20 sides below you that would love to be in your position). Realistically - you're heading for the POs and I'd love to see you beat those serial cheats, Muff, in the Final. Then get into the PL (I'm always behind the smaller progressive clubs getting there - just to watch Sneering Lineker's begrudging punditry on their games). You've got some fine players (we were in for Toney too, last summer - but baulked at the fee .... wrong decision, there then!) & if you get your 'mojo' back, you'll win those POs. I think Watford have used the '5 sub' introduction better than most. We're pulling off players after 60 mins if the points are secured or avoiding a red card if they're already on a yellow. We have a decent squad, so those coming on don't lessen the efficacy of the team & those going off are kept fresh(er) for the next game, plus also avoiding injuries. That's probably the difference between our two clubs - hardly a revelation - we've got a bigger pool of players of the 'right/required standard'. Obviously it could all go drastically wrong and we go into freefall - but I really don't think its going to happen. We've got a lot of 'old heads' on young shoulders (Chalobah & Hughes, especially) & the 'right level of experience' is a Godsend in these tense situations. So (hopefully not a premature) good luck in the Play Offs & we'll see you next season in the PL. Then you can also get to hate Gary Lineker - as you vie for his last spot on MoTD ..... with all of us other non-glamorous 'little clubs'.
 

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Perhaps you should read the rest of the thread for a bit of context 👍
Or just read my posts on this thread. You’ll get the drift.
I have read most, but it is me saying what I feel.
I am sick of this crap wether it be our players or someone elses. Whether it is a politician, person in the street, someone in a shop, someone who is different.
The cowardice of it is crap.
We have a far right element in our fan base like many clubs have. They want to abuse Ivan Toney?
Then we can abuse them too.
Grrrr.
 

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Standing on the grubby terraces at Elm Park all those years ago, boos ringing in my ears from many fellow fans after a dire 0-0 draw, I felt exactly the same. We all know what happened next.

Is it likely to happen again? No.

Might it happen again? You bet! :)
Remember this so well
 

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Yes I do know where you are coming from. We are all in the same boat, supported rubbish for a lifetime and are now within touching distance of the top league, almost. We are all suffering the same pressure as the players, and manager which is probably the reason for these last few performances. In all honesty do you think that either Halli or Thompson would add anything to the team they are no different to any of the other kids we put on the bench. Fosu, Macondes, Ghoddas, Reid, and that is about it. I would not trust Goode to look after my cat, and all the others are prospect ( kids). Let’s hope that we can get JD , Henry and HD back fighting fit for the play offs, unless Watford also have a wobble. Think about your investments on a resurgent stock market!!
Hardly kids!
 

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We are punching above our weight and I am not sure we can do better than we have, I think TF will leave at the end of the season
in that it is pretty much impossible for us to better teams with huge squads and parachute payments, some years ago when we
were doing well a Reading supporter said to me you wont get promoted you don't have a big enough squad, and he was
probably right as it still remains the case.
 

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Didn’t we finish 3rd less than 12 months ago?
Yes, but still the highest level, although equal, that we've achieved (should we finish 3rd), although I'm still optimistic for promotion albeit in the playoffs.
 

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We are punching above our weight and I am not sure we can do better than we have, I think TF will leave at the end of the season
in that it is pretty much impossible for us to better teams with huge squads and parachute payments, some years ago when we
were doing well a Reading supporter said to me you wont get promoted you don't have a big enough squad, and he was
probably right as it still remains the case.
Agree with most of that, except for the bit about big enough squad. I think it is large enough, but the quality outside of the top 8/9 players is just not good enough to fill in and keep the quality up. I think that's the difference between us and the top 2 - I would say they have 15 or so players at the same level as our top 8/9. And that's because they have enough money to do it.
 
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Im no naysayer. Am more than fully on board with the plan & how BFC want to achieve that. Im no social media pleb who berates our club or players every game.
Knowing the clubs ambitions and fully believe this season was to be a step up on last, i am justifiably pissed off at how this season has ended up. More so after how it ended last season.
For me Its a mix on how sh*t & predictable our ganlmes have been for 11 games, and the reason why our recruitment is being held back.
considering where we were 11/12 games ago, very pissed off and deflated. 13 points from the last 11 games is way below average, combined with a lack of goals from open play (although we have had so many good chances but are wasting them). It doesn't look like changing unfortunately :(but I hope and wish, I am proved wrong.
 
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As a way of getting the spark back, could we simply offer the team a training session where they view all 7 of Norwich’s goals last night. Was like watching Brentford of 10 games ago! As TF observed, also helps when you have multiple attackers in the box.
 

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We are punching above our weight and I am not sure we can do better than we have, I think TF will leave at the end of the season
in that it is pretty much impossible for us to better teams with huge squads and parachute payments, some years ago when we
were doing well a Reading supporter said to me you wont get promoted you don't have a big enough squad, and he was
probably right as it still remains the case.

I'd agree with everthing that Reading supporter said sadly. It's now become obvious we finished 3rd last season and got to a play off final because the season was halted for three months, and the size of the squad wasn't as much of an issue. Prior to the Sheff Wed game we were struggling and looked tired; we could in hindsight ask if we'd have made the play offs if the season wasn't suspended for a few months.

This season follows the path of previous years; come close but eventually fall away. The only hope this time is we've built enough points to hopefully hang on to 5th or 6th and see what happens.

After a sleep and long walk I feel better than last night and this morning. We simply don't have the depth required for a 46 game campaign, and that really isn't anyone's fault as what we have is likely what we can afford.

This season of all seasons looks like Norwich, Watford and if we're honest B'mouth look to be getting fresher as teams around them are getting tired. I'm not sure the last time the three who came down were the three who went straight back up but that is looking increasingly likely this year.
 
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considering where we were 11/12 games ago, very pissed off and deflated. 13 points from the last 11 games is way below average, combined with a lack of goals from open play (although we have had so many good chances but are wasting them). It doesn't look like changing unfortunately :(but I hope and wish, I am proved wrong.

It is going to be some miracle of a turnaround.
watford dropping the required points - no chance.
Us winning enough points to over take - definately no chance.
Us to get through 3 games to win play offs - no chance
 

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Explain to me how they have to win the remainder of their games when they're four points behind with six remaining.

Explain to me how 4 teams are going to over take us when we have only lost 1 in 8 to the top team and only lost 7 all season. Tell me how a team who have lost 4 out of 4 are going to overtake us and Reading who play the top sides are going to over take us.
 

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It is going to be some miracle of a turnaround.
watford dropping the required points - no chance.
Us winning enough points to over take - definately no chance.
Us to get through 3 games to win play offs - no chance

Just call it a day then mate, tune out and turn the GPG off. No reason for you to be on here or watch any more games and you have nothing constructive to add until next season so see ya. Have a great summer and hopefully next season will bring you some more excitement .
 

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Looking at the highlights 3 points were there for the taking. But Canos and Jensen lost composure and their goalie made lot of good saves. Looked more like Bees of couple of months ago a lot faster and flowing.

I think last night against a resurgent and organised Brum a point taken as a stand alone game wasn’t too bad. Had we won the last 3 which were awful results them last night wouldn’t have been so tragic.

We are desperate for midfielders that can score. All our midfield have around 1-2 career goals each and two of our 3 wingers max out at 4-5 each. We created loads of chance last night but fluffed them.
 

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Explain to me how 4 teams are going to over take us when we have only lost 1 in 8 to the top team and only lost 7 all season. Tell me how a team who have lost 4 out of 4 are going to overtake us and Reading who play the top sides are going to over take us.

I’m not saying they are.

But neither do they have win all their remaining games to overtake us, which is what you said.
 

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Just call it a day then mate, tune out and turn the GPG off. No reason for you to be on here or watch any more games and you have nothing constructive to add until next season so see ya. Have a great summer and hopefully next season will bring you some more excitement .
 

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Just call it a day then mate, tune out and turn the GPG off. No reason for you to be on here or watch any more games and you have nothing constructive to add until next season so see ya. Have a great summer and hopefully next season will bring you some more excitement .

Not at all. I’ll come and go as I please to give my views.
You won’t have to go far to find positive, constructive posts from me on here. So I am as entitled as anyone to tell it how it is when it isn’t going well, especially when seeing us disappointingly throw it away the way we are and where I see not going up may leave us going forward.

If you can’t give a constructive opposing view to mine, I suggest you call it a day, turn off the GPG, or hit the ignore.
 

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Agree with most of that, except for the bit about big enough squad. I think it is large enough, but the quality outside of the top 8/9 players is just not good enough to fill in and keep the quality up. I think that's the difference between us and the top 2 - I would say they have 15 or so players at the same level as our top 8/9. And that's because they have enough money to do it.
Good post. We have a good team, but we are struggling at the mom cos our key players are or have been out through injury. The players that are drafted in aren’t quite as good. It must be difficult to keep good players happy if they’re not picked.
 

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My worry looking forward is what’s it’s going to take to win a game and get us back on track? I can’t see where it’s going to come from. From a positions a few weeks ago where I couldn’t see how we could loose games such was the character of the team. But this is a stronger team with key bods back . I don’t get it.
 

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HA well I have for a long time, it’s come to the point where it’s insanity doing the same thing over & over again expecting different results. We’ve needed to start different players or change formation for a long time. Our squad is being poorly managed end off....
This is the classic example of the sense of entitlement and self stimulated over blown expectations that is reflected in so many shameful posts on this thread. The plain facts are that we have a unique set of challenges not faced by any of our rivals. Most individual challenges are not unique but collectively they create a huge barrier to overcome;
- the proven hangover that the losing play off finalist suffers from
- having to play in a new stadium without fans, all the early games must have felt like away games
- coping with the loss of Said and Ollie
- injuries to crucial players e.g. how often this season have Christian and Josh played in the same side?
- the shortest pre season of any team in the division
- limited budget
Given these constraints/challenges just finishing mid table would be an achievement but actually we are in the top 3. Amazing!!
 

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Hardly kids!
I know that! If you reread the post you will see that I have named our effective bench omitting the kids! No very large was it? Minus Goode who is not yet up to standard and it comes to just four genuine first team players.
 

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As long as the iniquitous system of parachute payments continues, clubs like Brentford are going to find getting into the Prem very very hard..They are designed to benefit the relegated clubs and it is a system that suits them .To be third at the moment with only Norwich and Watford, both allowed by p.p.s to keep big squads and many of their best players,ahead is a great achievement. Constructive criticism is fine but the GPG has a hard core who do not offer support, just a dreary stream of non-stop whining. How about getting behind the players and coaches? You never know, you might enjoy it.
 

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As long as the iniquitous system of parachute payments continues, clubs like Brentford are going to find getting into the Prem very very hard..They are designed to benefit the relegated clubs and it is a system that suits them .To be third at the moment with only Norwich and Watford, both allowed by p.p.s to keep big squads and many of their best players,ahead is a great achievement. Constructive criticism is fine but the GPG has a hard core who do not offer support, just a dreary stream of non-stop whining. How about getting behind the players and coaches? You never know, you might enjoy it.
Agreed. I wonder how many of the rest of the play-off teams are still getting parachute payments of some sort? Stattos?
 

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Standing on the grubby terraces at Elm Park all those years ago, boos ringing in my ears from many fellow fans after a dire 0-0 draw, I felt exactly the same. We all know what happened next.

Is it likely to happen again? No.

Might it happen again? You bet! :)

Oh yes. The 'Nightmare on Elm Park'! Remember that well.. Looking forward to Frank grabbing the mic midst celebrations and screaming 'Where are my doubters now??' :ROFLMAO:
 

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Once again our best chances - Canos chip and Toney shot - came where we were quickly running through a defence that was spread, not by trying to pass backwards and forwards through a packed penalty area.

Even in the last 3 minutes we were still passing it out from the back. I love Brentford, been here and seen this all before, but sometimes I just wish that on the pitch everyone got really angry and fired up, and came off with obvious blood and guts having been spilt!!!

The win was all last night. Still don’t understand sending on poor old Forss for a few minutes and expecting him to work a miracle out on his own, and out of position.

We needed to die out there for the win, gamble everything, rather than save a point!

Oh well, we still have a chance, even if it now takes 3 extra matches at the season end!
 
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Is the B team squad on par with expectations or is it lacking first team potential? Just for my own education.
 

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Is the B team squad on par with expectations or is it lacking first team potential? Just for my own education.

Think the B team is currently extremely good. I think there are a lot of potential first team squad members in there. There seem to be more B teamers training with the first team this season than ever before. Maybe that's because of the first team injuries but there's great potential in players like Mogensen, Pressley, Brook, Bidstrup, Gilbert, Haygarth, Hockenhull, Stevens,
 

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As long as the iniquitous system of parachute payments continues, clubs like Brentford are going to find getting into the Prem very very hard..They are designed to benefit the relegated clubs and it is a system that suits them .To be third at the moment with only Norwich and Watford, both allowed by p.p.s to keep big squads and many of their best players,ahead is a great achievement. Constructive criticism is fine but the GPG has a hard core who do not offer support, just a dreary stream of non-stop whining. How about getting behind the players and coaches? You never know, you might enjoy it.
I get the frustration about parachute payments, especially in a season when the three relegated clubs could go straight back up. But surely without something of the kind, clubs such as ourselves could not take the risk of making the necessary investment on promotion to give themselves a chance of survival, given the ongoing contractual commitments to the players they'd have signed.
It might be argued that if we had gone up last season, and kept Watkins and Benrahma, we could have stayed up without signing a load of expensive new players. But that seems optimistic to me, and having players like those two in a promoted side doesn't happen too often.
I have no idea what the answer is by the way, but something has to be in place given the massive gulf between the two leagues which arises from the TV money and the general financial and marketing power of the PL.
 

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I get the frustration about parachute payments, especially in a season when the three relegated clubs could go straight back up. But surely without something of the kind, clubs such as ourselves could not take the risk of making the necessary investment on promotion to give themselves a chance of survival, given the ongoing contractual commitments to the players they'd have signed.
It might be argued that if we had gone up last season, and kept Watkins and Benrahma, we could have stayed up without signing a load of expensive new players. But that seems optimistic to me, and having players like those two in a promoted side doesn't happen too often.
I have no idea what the answer is by the way, but something has to be in place given the massive gulf between the two leagues which arises from the TV money and the general financial and marketing power of the PL.

Wonder how they get along in those leagues without parachute payments...
 

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i can understand some negativity and giving up on autos, any realist knows they are gone but we still have plenty of time to get our act together and rally for the play offs with hopefully da silva and henry coming back fresh who will make all the difference. Keep the faith, third in the championship and still a decent if not good chance of getting to the prem, even if it doesnt feel like it right now
 

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This is the classic example of the sense of entitlement and self stimulated over blown expectations that is reflected in so many shameful posts on this thread. The plain facts are that we have a unique set of challenges not faced by any of our rivals. Most individual challenges are not unique but collectively they create a huge barrier to overcome;
- the proven hangover that the losing play off finalist suffers from
- having to play in a new stadium without fans, all the early games must have felt like away games
- coping with the loss of Said and Ollie
- injuries to crucial players e.g. how often this season have Christian and Josh played in the same side?
- the shortest pre season of any team in the division
- limited budget
Given these constraints/challenges just finishing mid table would be an achievement but actually we are in the top 3. Amazing!!
Shameful posts ???? Fans having an opinion on team affairs ?? What forum should they be on then ??? You are sooooo strange lmbo
 

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Last time I saw him mentioned, Valencia wasn't even starting matches in Poland

It's worse than that - owing to the winter break etc and for whatever reason, he hasn't played competitive football since November and hasn't been in a matchday squad for nearly seven weeks.
 

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Think the B team is currently extremely good. I think there are a lot of potential first team squad members in there. There seem to be more B teamers training with the first team this season than ever before. Maybe that's because of the first team injuries but there's great potential in players like Mogensen, Pressley, Brook, Bidstrup, Gilbert, Haygarth, Hockenhull, Stevens,
Add to your list the midfield guy who was at Spurs, I know he was out injured , can’t remember name think its Maghoma
 

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Add to your list the midfield guy who was at Spurs, I know he was out injured , can’t remember name think its Maghoma

Yeh, he looked great but he's been out a looong time. He looked like he was back in training a while back but hasn't been seen again since..
 
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