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This might be controversial but interested in views and opinions. But Toney has contributed to our playing style change, we've gone more direct, and our style has adapted to his strengths, which has resulted in his goals. But plenty people moaning about our "flowing attacking" football has gone. You cant have both with Toney I don't think. Watkins played into our "flowing football". Fans need to accept that we've adapted to Toney. It's why Forss doesn't currently suit our style. Forss in last seasons side would get goals.

So if you put Toney into our team from last season he wouldnt score goals?

Its the fact we have no midfield close to or behind him that can dominate games and create chances.

We sit too deep and lump it up to him.
 

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What tripe.
we lose a couple of games on the bounce and we will be,,,,,,,please look and understand the current league table and the form barnsley and bmuff are in.....to think we are already in the play offs is just bizarre......it will prob be swansea who miss out but we need to start winning games and soon
 

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I feel a bit for TF if I am honest, yes perhaps the subs were a bit late in coming but it’s not his fault the players are just not good enough. He has a squad of average championship players. Apart from Toney and JDS the rest of the attacking players have spells of good play but the difference to decent players is that decent players can perform more often than not.
 

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Really?

I can understand that, maybe, if you are under 20 👍

I've been a fan for many many years. But, we have been a good side for a long time now and I won't accept that we used to be sh*t.

I get where you coming from 100%. Problem is, that mentality will not allow for continuous improvement

Not a dig at all
 

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mate, go and look at the league table and see where you are, it will bring some much needed joy into your life when you see we are not mid table at all.

pop the champagne fella, things are much better than you think.
The performance was mid-table stuff and it has been for the last few matches.
 

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See my positivity worked wonders. Not going to rubbish anyone, and I cant see at present where were going to pick this up?
We created some chances but just didn't do enough. I don't think on current form were good enough for the play-offs. I just cant handle another disappointing end to a season where we gave ourselves the expectation and belief on earlier performances.
 

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I’m not doing a Fact Check this evening. I saw what you all saw and there is no point in flogging a dead horse.

But when the usual suspects are on here claiming that the season is over and every player is sh*t and the coaches are sh*t and Benham is sh*t etc, remember that the abuse gets read by the people it’s directed at. And it affects them.

This is what Sergi said to Sky Sports:

As Canos struggled creatively after his return to action last July, a sense of impatience arose on social media and quickly filtered through to its target.

"I'm not going to say it didn't affect me because I was aware of it because we all have social media," he says. "I respect all of the criticism and everything; I understand that football is big and we want to achieve something big so our standards have to be even bigger.

"Normally, when you are not injured, you are playing and you manage that criticism during the season, but because I was going from zero to 100, it did affect me a little bit because it wasn't only coming back from injury, it was also handling that pressure and that criticism from everyone. It was quite shocking because it was all at once. It didn't help me, I'm not going to lie."

And this is what TF said about social media:

Frank has concerns about how social media can impact his squad. “It is nice with the praise when you score a hat‑trick … but you don’t score a hat-trick every week. I’ve been speaking to them about social media, especially if some of the players have not been performing that well. I don’t read anything about it but I just know how it works and the mechanism. After I’ve spoken for 30 seconds [after a game], they are on to their phones and I’m thinking: ‘Should I make a rule that they can’t do that before they leave the dressing room?’ I don’t know.”
 

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I really can't put my finger on what's wrong but we don't create enough at the moment. Pretty decent performance tonight compared to Huddersfield but still well short of where we were.

Maybe wishful thinking but DaSilva could be the key when he returns.
 

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I'm dreading next season because 4 or 5 players maybe more will be gone and with the inability to get in players from Europe we will struggle, and if the Raras manage to hang on to those current crop of loanees, they will be better than us I predict. Bad times, hope I'm wrong

Why are you worried? If we don’t go up it gives us a chance to get players who might.
 

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Which is something to be proud of

Eh! This team should be challenging for the autos not mid-table. It's not just fans who think that, so do most pundits and, I imagine, MB.
 

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Yeah, all fekkin right, go on then, find one person who blindly says that.

“some people” will say we are sh*t, rubbish, crap amd will cry like babies and anyone who says being third in the league isn’t actually shot, rubbish and crap amd people like you find that so offensive.

If we were good enough for top 2 we would have won our last 4 games, but third isn’t rubbish and “play offs in jeopardy”

Some people in here must be awful company at a football game. We have all had someone near us at a game like that and it isn’t nice.
Yeah, all fekkin right, go on then, find one person who blindly says that.

“some people” will say we are sh*t, rubbish, crap amd will cry like babies and anyone who says being third in the league isn’t actually shot, rubbish and crap amd people like you find that so offensive.

If we were good enough for top 2 we would have won our last 4 games, but third isn’t rubbish and “play offs in jeopardy”

Some people in here must be awful company at a football game. We have all had someone near us at a game like that and it isn’t nice.
Yeah, all fekkin right, go on then, find one person who blindly says that.

“some people” will say we are sh*t, rubbish, crap amd will cry like babies and anyone who says being third in the league isn’t actually shot, rubbish and crap amd people like you find that so offensive.

If we were good enough for top 2 we would have won our last 4 games, but third isn’t rubbish and “play offs in jeopardy”

Some people in here must be awful company at a football game. We have all had someone near us at a game like that and it isn’t nice.
the form we are in is by no means top 3 stuff, which is proven by the fact we’re something like 16th based on last 10.- hence why people are becoming increasingly frustrated recently.

It’s by no means a crime to say that the last 10 or so games have simply not been good enough at all.

ive watched the bees for 30 odd years so by no means think it’s a given we turn up and rip teams apart but I am realistic enough to know when things are seriously wrong.
Deep down we all know the league is a weaker one this year and was there for the taking, particularly considering our position up until around Christmas.
 

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Not starting an no goals 🤔 what does the poor lad need to do , Jensen very poor Tonight maybe needs Fosu and either Vitaly or Christian alongside him 🤔

Not sure he did much when he came on.

No one bar Pinnock played at the level we need.Just think we may miss the Play Offs the way this team is playing
 

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He was forming a great partnership with Toney with that great run of goals and assists. Then he gets dropped for Barnsley and we lose. Comes back in for QPR, goes off after an hour for Bryan and we know what happens next. Comes back in for the Sheff Wed and Stoke wins, then gets dropped again for Norwich. We lose. Comes back in for the Blackburn win. Then dropped ever since, and we haven't won since. It's a joke.
Blimey; that's some record. Him and Canos are the only players to hold on to the ball and build the moves. Very strange.
 

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This might be controversial but interested in views and opinions. But Toney has contributed to our playing style change, we've gone more direct, and our style has adapted to his strengths, which has resulted in his goals. But plenty people moaning about our "flowing attacking" football has gone. You cant have both with Toney I don't think. Watkins played into our "flowing football". Fans need to accept that we've adapted to Toney. It's why Forss doesn't currently suit our style. Forss in last seasons side would get goals.

We were very dangerous down the wings last season - this season we are on the whole turgid. The attacking midfielders aren’t getting anywhere near enough to Toney to support him and we are missing Da Silva and Henry’s drive. There is definetly an easy out ball from the back to Toney because he is very good in the air but for me a number of the team have gone off the boil at the same time/ we have become very slow to shift the ball. All about opinions I guess, but that’s not about Toney for me.
 

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we lose a couple of games on the bounce and we will be,,,,,,,please look and understand the current league table and the form barnsley and bmuff are in.....to think we are already in the play offs is just bizarre......it will prob be swansea who miss out but we need to start winning games and soon
Agree.

I’m all good with being positive but what baffles me is the “its not over yet” narrative when referring to our chase for automatic but the “don’t talk daft” one when you suggest we’re not guaranteed play offs yet.
 

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I really can't put my finger on what's wrong but we don't create enough at the moment. Pretty decent performance tonight compared to Huddersfield but still well short of where we were.

Maybe wishful thinking but DaSilva could be the key when he returns.
Wasn’t the same said about Norgaard when he returns too
 

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Just read a few of the posts on here and I just wish some would f*** off and support these massive clubs who are better than us in this league.
We are out of form and missing players yes, but I can only imagine the abuse the team would get if we were mid table or worse.
This everything is crap b***ocks on social media has spread to MB and everybody associated with BFC. The GPG is quite tame.
We didn't play well it happens and I have feeling the team will be feeling down about it tonight and I know they will work to improve.

Anybody out there with longer memories than before MB saved us.?
 

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Wrong set up in midfield and it was clear to see after about 15 mins; 2 CDM's against brum FFS. Jenson was bad because he had two other players in his space.
We need something like 3 at the back and Canos & Fosu wing backs. Our FB's offer nothing. We need some inventiveness going in to the PO's and it's up to TF to think again.
What's with the first round of subs on 65/70 and then the usual BM sub ten minutes later; is this to protect his feelings????? Same old.

I honestly don't what how many of us can see this but obviously TF can't. We were blah against Huddersfield and we needed changes and to make only one change from the starting line up was disappointing.
 

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tf never seems to learn.....its just same old same old......its getting too fkin predictable

The bit I don’t get is that when we were going on our unbeaten run we played with marcondes/Ghoddos alongside Jensen and Janelt. Some will say that Janelt has scored more goals or what did marcondes do tonight but Janelt or Norgaard are not going to slip a ball through to the forwards or carry the ball or quickly pass to the wide men..
 

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Cant agree with that IB. NLB is spot on. That was as dull as it gets, bar Canos chance we did nothing. The Toney saves were easy. Its c**p.

Anyone who can defend that performance is clinging to the small bright sparks surrounded by waves of dire backwards dishwater football.

What exactly was wrong with our first half performance other than we did not take the two gilt-edged chances we made for ourselves!? Take them and it is a completely different second half.

Hugely frustrating that we did not score when on top, but I stand firmly by my view that NLB's and others assessments of our performance are a massive over-reaction driven mainly by (completely understandable) frustration
 

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I’m not doing a Fact Check this evening. I saw what you all saw and there is no point in flogging a dead horse.

But when the usual suspects are on here claiming that the season is over and every player is sh*t and the coaches are sh*t and Benham is sh*t etc, remember that the abuse gets read by the people it’s directed at. And it affects them.

This is what Sergi said to Sky Sports:

As Canos struggled creatively after his return to action last July, a sense of impatience arose on social media and quickly filtered through to its target.

"I'm not going to say it didn't affect me because I was aware of it because we all have social media," he says. "I respect all of the criticism and everything; I understand that football is big and we want to achieve something big so our standards have to be even bigger.

"Normally, when you are not injured, you are playing and you manage that criticism during the season, but because I was going from zero to 100, it did affect me a little bit because it wasn't only coming back from injury, it was also handling that pressure and that criticism from everyone. It was quite shocking because it was all at once. It didn't help me, I'm not going to lie."

And this is what TF said about social media:

Frank has concerns about how social media can impact his squad. “It is nice with the praise when you score a hat‑trick … but you don’t score a hat-trick every week. I’ve been speaking to them about social media, especially if some of the players have not been performing that well. I don’t read anything about it but I just know how it works and the mechanism. After I’ve spoken for 30 seconds [after a game], they are on to their phones and I’m thinking: ‘Should I make a rule that they can’t do that before they leave the dressing room?’ I don’t know.”

I'd agree with you. All of the players are capable of playing well, most would be okay in an upper mid-table side but not in a side looking to be promoted to the premier. What doesn't help in my opinion is deficiencies being 'glossed over' as all that does is to raise expectations and thus gives people further to fall.
 

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Just read a few of the posts on here and I just wish some would f*** off and support these massive clubs who are better than us in this league.
We are out of form and missing players yes, but I can only imagine the abuse the team would get if we were mid table or worse.
This everything is crap b***ocks on social media has spread to MB and everybody associated with BFC. The GPG is quite tame.
We didn't play well it happens and I have feeling the team will be feeling down about it tonight and I know they will work to improve.

Anybody out there with longer memories than before MB saved us.?

It’s just letting off steam, it’s frustrating..we can’t go the pub and moan so lots do it here..
 

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Did I say this?

Scrape that, i mean we havent adapted to Toney. He should score goals in any normal Brentford team. We just dont have the options to play the way we normally do.
 

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2 back to back seasons is a killer for any squad, let alone going through narrowly missing out on automatic promotion then again in the playoffs. Without key injuries to Pontus, Christian, Rico and Josh then maybe we could have stayed at the quality we reached during our 21 game unbeaten run. Towards the end of that run our performance was drifting away
 

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Eh! This team should be challenging for the autos not mid-table. It's not just fans who think that, so do most pundits and, I imagine, MB.
Every team has to battle in the trenches at some point and us with them.
 

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Slightly bemused as to why people are unable to vent their frustrations on here?

It's a public forum, for Brentford fans (mainly). With the world as it is, what is the difference to this being a group in the pub post match?

Everyone has different opinions, which they're entitled to. If you don't agree, that is fine, but let's just allow people the space and freedom to do what they would down the boozer!

We're all in this together and we DO get promoted none of this will matter and we'll all drink together!
 

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The performance over the last 3 home games and Huddersfield away were the worst we have seen in the last 3 years maybe even in the time we have been in the Championship. Im not a get rid of Frank person but he’s got to do something pretty quickly to save this season from being a disaster
 

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we lose a couple of games on the bounce and we will be,,,,,,,please look and understand the current league table and the form barnsley and bmuff are in.....to think we are already in the play offs is just bizarre......it will prob be swansea who miss out but we need to start winning games and soon
Yep; one team is going to miss out and could be us or Swansea. Wouldn't be so bad if TF gave it a good go, but I think we're in for more dross..
 

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The bit I don’t get is that when we were going on our unbeaten run we played with marcondes/Ghoddos alongside Jensen and Janelt. Some will say that Janelt has scored more goals or what did marcondes do tonight but Janelt or Norgaard are not going to slip a ball through to the forwards or carry the ball or quickly pass to the wide men..
Wasn’t it Janelt’s pass that put Canos clean through??
 

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What exactly was wrong with our first half performance other than we did not take the two gilt-edged chances we made for ourselves!? Take them and it is a completely different second half.

Hugely frustrating that we did not score when on top, but I stand firmly by my view that NLB's and others assessments of our performance are a massive over-reaction driven mainly by (completely understandable) frustration

We cant keep clinging onto us not taking a couple of chances. And there were less then a handful. in years gone by when have you actually seen us create so little?

IMO the first half was average. We played a little quicker but it still had very little end product.

That performance was dire. Im sorry but if we think thats better then what we have shown lately then we are in trouble. That was not a good watch. I nearly turned it off in the second half.

As i keep saying, its boring to watch. And i hope the players read that, because it is boring.
 

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The performance over the last 3 home games and Huddersfield away were the worst we have seen in the last 3 years maybe even in the time we have been in the Championship. Im not a get rid of Frank person but he’s got to do something pretty quickly to save this season from being a disaster

I think if we were in Sheffield Wednesday’s position I could accept it being described as a disaster.
Selling your two best players and still finishing with a chance of promotion via the play offs I can’t really accept as a disaster.
 
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Just read a few of the posts on here and I just wish some would f*** off and support these massive clubs who are better than us in this league.
We are out of form and missing players yes, but I can only imagine the abuse the team would get if we were mid table or worse.
This everything is crap b***ocks on social media has spread to MB and everybody associated with BFC. The GPG is quite tame.
We didn't play well it happens and I have feeling the team will be feeling down about it tonight and I know they will work to improve.

Anybody out there with longer memories than before MB saved us.?

I stopped reading the crap on social media months back. But there is a lot of frustration in many posts above and I can understand it. This league is dire. Watford will get second due to our inability not to get results in the last 4 games. Easy to blame missing players but what we are only missing 3 first teamers (yes they would make a difference). There has been some strange team selections recently that have not only confused me but others. Playing two defensive midfielders at home against Brum is shocking.
 

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Agree.

I’m all good with being positive but what baffles me is the “its not over yet” narrative when referring to our chase for automatic but the “don’t talk daft” one when you suggest we’re not guaranteed play offs yet.
tbf.....think even mhead and untouchable have finally stamped on their rose tinted re automatic...us and muff at Wembley.....given we swerve them in play off.
 

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Just read a few of the posts on here and I just wish some would f*** off and support these massive clubs who are better than us in this league.
We are out of form and missing players yes, but I can only imagine the abuse the team would get if we were mid table or worse.
This everything is crap b***ocks on social media has spread to MB and everybody associated with BFC. The GPG is quite tame.
We didn't play well it happens and I have feeling the team will be feeling down about it tonight and I know they will work to improve.

Anybody out there with longer memories than before MB saved us.?
Jeez Louise; some are just frustrated at what seems some obvious mistakes in the set up and subs. I haven't read any abuse on here old bean. Should we be like the iPlayer commentators and pretend the first half was great and 'never mind.....hopefully.....such a shame........' for the second half?
Like you we've waiting a long time to get so close and can see it tamely slip away again. I can't see next year being that easy.....!
 

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Scrape that, i mean we havent adapted to Toney. He should score goals in any normal Brentford team. We just dont have the options to play the way we normally do.
Bang on with this! we've realized we dont have the options and gone straight to going more direct as a easy option. He would have scored 30 last season.
 

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Look at the table and then look at the form Bournemouth are in.

We’re sleepwalking towards the same outcome Forest had last season.
Agree. I think Mhead is working on the premise that Swansea will score fewer points than us as they are even worse. That may well be true, but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of our chances in the POs, is it. If we scrape into the POs in this form, we can forget about Wembley, let alone the PL. :sueme:
 
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