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we had a corner on 86 minutes. Our giants towered over the Brighton midgets. We decide on a short corner then a floated ball in which Brighton easily coped with and then broke away. A couple of minutes of us having our backs to the wall led to their goal.
It was a wrong decision by us with so little time left on the clock.
 

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we had a corner on 86 minutes. Our giants towered over the Brighton midgets. We decide on a short corner then a floated ball in which Brighton easily coped with and then broke away. A couple of minutes of us having our backs to the wall led to their goal.
It was a wrong decision by us with so little time left on the clock.

Thought their two centre backs were absolutely massive
 

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If today’s game is judged on stats alone we need to be very worried. We had just 1 shot on target (6 off target), 0 blocked shots, just 1 corner.
Yet iI am reading that we were brilliant or great. If this is anything but the minimum required each game we are going to severely struggle.
Far more can often be learned from a defeat than a win, and I hope that is the case. We have to force goalkeepers to make saves, the more the better. We need to earn corners and freekicks in their third. I know we are now missing MBS long throws which although are very unreliable can create pressure and further set pieces.

The referee was certainly not a homer and many of the chants I could hear on the radio were from us “asking for a referee” & “you don’t know what you are doing”. Even BBC Radio Sussex was surprised Veltman wasn’t booked in the first half for his second foul on Rico. They said Brighton were lucky to avoid cards when we had 2 booked early in the first half.

I do worry that more teams will try and withstand our first hour knowing that we are running out of gas for the last twenty or thirty minutes. This has happened in all 4 games so far. Against Arsenal when Frank went off with 10 minutes to go, we looked less of a team, fortunately we were already 2-0 up.

I really hope we get a positive reaction against Wolves and the early kickoff time might just help us. With Liverpool at home and West Ham away to follow, it is tough run before Chelsea & Leicester both at home.
It sounds like you need to focus on growing a backbone, or in all probability this season is going to take a heavy toll on you.
 

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we had a corner on 86 minutes. Our giants towered over the Brighton midgets. We decide on a short corner then a floated ball in which Brighton easily coped with and then broke away. A couple of minutes of us having our backs to the wall led to their goal.
It was a wrong decision by us with so little time left on the clock.

Yep and our first corner, hopefully we can learn about the game management.

The games I have seen of Brighton this year they have created a lot, and apart from that Wellbeck chance in the first half they rarely threaten our goal. But you got to give it to Trossard a clinical finish.
 

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I think when you play 3 at the back or 5, depending how you look at it, the wide players have to be bang at it. Rico got himself into some good positions in the second half, but all in all, not a lot of real quality from both sides.
I’m not going be disheartened as it’s a learning curve and I’m sure we will learn from it.
up the bees!
 

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If today’s game is judged on stats alone we need to be very worried. We had just 1 shot on target (6 off target), 0 blocked shots, just 1 corner.
Yet iI am reading that we were brilliant or great. If this is anything but the minimum required each game we are going to severely struggle.
Far more can often be learned from a defeat than a win, and I hope that is the case. We have to force goalkeepers to make saves, the more the better. We need to earn corners and freekicks in their third. I know we are now missing MBS long throws which although are very unreliable can create pressure and further set pieces.

The referee was certainly not a homer and many of the chants I could hear on the radio were from us “asking for a referee” & “you don’t know what you are doing”. Even BBC Radio Sussex was surprised Veltman wasn’t booked in the first half for his second foul on Rico. They said Brighton were lucky to avoid cards when we had 2 booked early in the first half.

I do worry that more teams will try and withstand our first hour knowing that we are running out of gas for the last twenty or thirty minutes. This has happened in all 4 games so far. Against Arsenal when Frank went off with 10 minutes to go, we looked less of a team, fortunately we were already 2-0 up.

I really hope we get a positive reaction against Wolves and the early kickoff time might just help us. With Liverpool at home and West Ham away to follow, it is tough run before Chelsea & Leicester both at home.
Maybe you should go to the game and then write your report ?
 

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just to be clear - you didn’t go to the game and you are commenting (at length) on something you didn’t watch. Correct?
Correct, I listened to reasonably unbiased commentary who thought we should have been 3up at half-time and using stats on the match. I do know that shots off target are very unlikely to score. i am just saying we need to learn from this
 

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The real worry for me is that the only way we were creating anything was the interplay between Toney and Bryan (which was excellent by the way). With Rico and Canos as wing backs and Sergi on the wrong side, we've totally lost any threat from the wings. Both want to go outside the full back and can be easily dealt with. Rico in general had a really good game but never looked like putting a dangerous ball in. Sergi didn't get forward enough but did manage to get one ball into the near post when everyone in the box went far post. He cut inside at one point but then ends up on his left peg and hit it tamely at the keeper. We really need to tweak things so we're getting Toney into the box in positions to shoot and someone from midfield is picking the passes, rather than having Toney coming deep to play the ball around.. Thought we were decent first half but as the second wore on we looked more and more likely to let one in as we got sucked deeper and deeper. Trossard was a menace all game and we just didn't have anyone like him unfortunately to play through them.
 

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Really good for 60 minutes. We lost our way when Canos and Janelt went off - Roerslev and Jensen didn't improve us.

Baptiste was never going to last 90 minutes, so we then couldn't make any actual attacking changes, which we needed to make because Mbeumo was tired and there was a growing gap between the front 2 and the rest of our team.

It's disappointing that we handed the initiative to Brighton. We seemed too happy to let the game drift to a draw - even though we're in the Premier League, I would have hoped that we would make positive changes to go for the 3 points in a winnable home game. 3 goals in 4 games isn't great, and although Toney and Mbeumo work outstandingly hard, they don't look like scoring too many at the moment.

Hopefully TF has learned a thing or two from today. His switch to 3-4-3 away at Villa Park didn't work, but something similar might have helped to stem the flow at the end of the second half today.
 

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It sounds like you need to focus on growing a backbone, or in all probability this season is going to take a heavy toll on you.
I am being realistic, I understand that this season is a sharp learning curve for the team but just saying ”move on” to the next game is taking it far too glibly. We need to learn even if it is very gradually, a small step in the right direction is still an improvement.
 

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Brighton fans were a lot better than arsenal. I think they were fine and I am close to them in N stand. W stand were good but unlike arsenal the other areas did not pick up on the songs as quickly or loudly.
 

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good first half, lost our way in the second half…. I also felt we had a real lack of urgency as the game went on. We are a very different team to the quick transitional teams I’ve been used to seeing over the last few seasons although admittedly we are in a very different league. To be honest if we stay up then it’s a bonus, I suspect it will be backs to the wall stuff for most of the season….. you need!
 

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Quality strike to win it, we looked a bit toothless up front in the second half, on another day one of Bryan’s first half efforts would have gone in. For me we have to try to get wider and deliver more dangerous balls into the box, it could create a few more half chances for us in dangerous areas. Good to see Onyeka back and I like what Roerslev could offer as an attacking option wide right
As much as I like Onyeka i think he struggled to get into the game today in the middle. Also whilst Roerslev defended well he offered us little going forward today. Brian's work rate, movement today was Premiership unfortunately his finishing wasn't.
 

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Correct, I listened to reasonably unbiased commentary who thought we should have been 3up at half-time and using stats on the match. I do know that shots off target are very unlikely to score. i am just saying we need to learn from this
We need to learn to get our shots on target? Good advice, I'm sure that will fix it for the next match..
 

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There was never any doubt that this season was going to be difficult, we’ve been used to dominating games and winning far more than losing for the past 6 years so defeats, and there will be plenty of them , have to be seen in the context of the division we are now in .
I thought we were pretty decent today , particularly in the first half , there’s no doubt that the intensity that we play at means we are going to put teams under pressure and we created some decent openings , all of which fell to Mbuemo, none of which he could take .
The second half was more even and then the final 15 dominated by Brighton but Raya never had a save to make until it was too late and that quality finish did for us . Daylight robbery ? not quite because they had a lot of the ball but it was harsh and we certainly deserved a point .
Thomas Frank has some interesting decisions to make , the current 5,3,2 makes us compact and competitive, I’m sure for the difficult fixtures ahead he’ll stick with it , but to get the best out of our best goal scorer he needs service into the box which he’s starved of at the moment so I wonder if we may see a return to a back 4 and ‘wingers’ which may mean we create more but equally runs the risk of us being a bit more open.
 

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What a strange thing to say - you wouldn’t say that to a blind person.
Indeed you wouldn’t - mainly because asking a blind person to write a match report would be, well, an interesting exercise.
 

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Thought we were very unlucky - if Bryan had his shooting boots on we would have been ahead at half-time. Feels similar to first season in the Championship where we lost games we should have won but we will adapt - look really solid as a unit but just need to take our chances
 

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Just got back home and comments I read are similar to my own. You won’t get a bucketload of chances at this level and so need to take them when offered. We didn’t and paid the price later. Bryan had several chances which, with a first steadying first touch, would have likely been on target.
We lacked getting the ball in the box enough to pressure the defenders, so they had an easier time today than I would have liked.
Refereeing was below average and gave both sides a couple of luck breaks. Brighton were doing a lot of niggly pushes, ankle taps etc which I think rattled our guys - knowing the ref wasn’t up to spec allowed them to do that. I was in the East stand near to them so their fans seemed loud to me. Made me laugh with their obsession about hating Palace, just shows that no one else gives a fig about them 😁
A draw would have been a fair result but a good goal cost us
 

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We need to learn to get our shots on target? Good advice, I'm sure that will fix it for the next match..
If you try for the very top corner, in effect you have 75% chance of missing the goal completely. I am suggesting adjusting where to target to give more chance of scoring. If you have played golf you will know when aiming for the middle of the green makes more sense, or when to aim more accurately than that to avoid bunkers or lakes around the green
 

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A game of if only's!!!

If Toney's long range effort went in early on it would have spurred us to win. Similarly, if Bryan's efforts had been on target we would have been in the driving seat.

The worry is that for the last 20 minutes we seemed to be physically and mentally tired and that allowed Brighton more possession - which tired us more.

They also had a lot of Prem experienced players who moved the ball faster and more accurately.

That said I am not too downcast as I am sure we can hold our own this season. Onwards and upwards!
 

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What a strange thing to say - you wouldn’t say that to a blind person.
Listening to radio commentary is equivalent to watching through anothers eyes. Need to see for yourself to form an objective opinion.

For example, not all of Bryan's chances were so simple that we should have been 3 up at ht.
 

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That was a bit of a choker that one,

Toney with a touch of genius and inches over, BM misses three glorious chances, Welbeck misses BHA’s only attempt of the first half.

Second half all a bit stop and go, BHA full of the dark arts to kill a game of football but very good on the ball, their CM is the best player in the pitch but will somebody please put a tackle in on him. He controlled one with his throat and it bounced in the air and BM didn’t even challenge for the second ball.

Our subs didn’t work for us, we lost all momentum and settled for a point but Brighton smelt blood and threw everything at us and you felt a goal might be coming.

Our sets pieces were poor today, short free kicks and corners followed by soft crosses with no conviction as if we hadn’t planned them, very un Brentford.

Horrible feeling, I haven’t seen us lose live for probably 2 years, a great goal but we really had stopped at that point and gone into clinging on stage.

Ref was appalling, he should have booked BHA players 6-7 times but let them do what they wanted.

Feels like an opportunity thrown away but I can’t really say anyone had a poor game, a few not at the level they were in earlier games i
second half but it was just one of those sh*t things.

some proper hard games coming up now.

I loved Maupay when he wa here but now he is just a snivelling little sh*t IMO and I hope we sort him out in the next game. Did nothing all game, forgot he was there but played the **** card after the goal.
 

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Listening to radio commentary is equivalent to watching through anothers eyes. Need to see for yourself to form an objective opinion.

For example, not all of Bryan's chances were so simple that we should have been 3 up at ht.
You could only really say he should have definitely scored the one he’s not got enough bend on to get it inside the post.
 

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Hard luck story today, felt we deserved at least a draw but more likely a win had Mbeumo taken his chance(s) Toney works so hard for the team and is literally everywhere. Amazing the press we make when their keeper had the ball. It looked like pinball at times when they tried to get the ball up the field. Thought our free kicks didn't amount to much considering the time and effort put into them. Brighton need a striker as their forwards aren't all that. That money we got for Maupay seems like daylight robbery now. In terms of atmosphere, felt it was a little lacking at times it just didn't feel like the Brentford V Brighton games of old where the atmosphere and the game is a live wire. Virtually the people in my whole row were different from the Arsenal game so I guess many of the season ticket holders didn't fancy watching Brighton today although the young stewards around me didn't mind. Wish the club would look into not recruiting the very young stewards. Most of them were watching the game or their mobiles. A couple of guys walked up with beers and one of the old boy stewards bought him back down and then went back and remonstrated with the young steward for not having his eyes on the job. The club sent me numerous emails about having a Covid pass certificate ready at the turnstiles. Did the necessary app download and login and even printed a copy - yet there was no check at the turnstiles. Really disappointing. Are they just putting up a front that they are conforming to the rules yet rarely applying them literally.
 

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Always thought this season would be difficult but hoped for better against Brighton. Having been to the game I think a fair result would have been 2-0 or 2-1 to us, a draw at the very least. The ref was dreadful - why do we still think ref quality will improve the higher up the pyramid we go? We seem to lack the cutting edge up front hopefully it will come soon or we will be in trouble. Defence and first choice midfield seem very competetive but any injuries or loss of form and we could be in trouble.

Gutting to lose in the last minute.

SW rail rubbish service as usual. Assume they knew we had a new ground with big crowds expected but apart from the tunnel no new infrastructure in place ie: a tannoy system that actually works! Extra trains good but they dont signal them until very late so we get very frustrated once on the platforms. Someone has to sort out the crush from the ground onto the platforms at Kew Bridge.
 

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Always thought this season would be difficult but hoped for better against Brighton. Having been to the game I think a fair result would have been 2-0 or 2-1 to us, a draw at the very least. The ref was dreadful - why do we still think ref quality will improve the higher up the pyramid we go? We seem to lack the cutting edge up front hopefully it will come soon or we will be in trouble. Defence and first choice midfield seem very competetive but any injuries or loss of form and we could be in trouble.

Gutting to lose in the last minute.

SW rail rubbish service as usual. Assume they knew we had a new ground with big crowds expected but apart from the tunnel no new infrastructure in place ie: a tannoy system that actually works! Extra trains good but they dont signal them until very late so we get very frustrated once on the platforms. Someone has to sort out the crush from the ground onto the platforms at Kew Bridge.
 

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If you don’t hit the target you don’t score (deflections aside😂). Mbeumo found some good positions due to good movement and very good vision form Toney. His finishing was woeful though. Easy to say but make the keeper work for it.

We need to keep the ball better. We got pushed back too deep in the second half and struggled to play our way out.

BHA must practice falling over a lot in training. Absolutely pathetic. I’m embarrassed for them.
 

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Listening to radio commentary is equivalent to watching through anothers eyes. Need to see for yourself to form an objective opinion.

For example, not all of Bryan's chances were so simple that we should have been 3 up at ht.
Indeed our XG at half time was only 0.66
 

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Every loss is good experience. Brighton lost 4 in 8 their first year and they learnt from it. We'll be fine.
 

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If you don’t hit the target you don’t score (deflections aside😂). Mbeumo found some good positions due to good movement and very good vision form Toney. His finishing was woeful though. Easy to say but make the keeper work for it.

We need to keep the ball better. We got pushed back too deep in the second half and struggled to play our way out.

BHA must practice falling over a lot in training. Absolutely pathetic. I’m embarrassed for them.
Well the practice isn’t working as their ‘falls’ are unrealistic. Unfortunately the ref still couldn’t see them for what they were
 

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I was in East Stand and it was all Brighton noise
Same. Decent from them. It is all relative to where you are in the stadium. If you are in the thick of it you hear it. To be honest though who cares. There is one sure fire way to quieten a crowd.
 

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Really good for 60 minutes. We lost our way when Canos and Janelt went off - Roerslev and Jensen didn't improve us.

Baptiste was never going to last 90 minutes, so we then couldn't make any actual attacking changes, which we needed to make because Mbeumo was tired and there was a growing gap between the front 2 and the rest of our team.

It's disappointing that we handed the initiative to Brighton. We seemed too happy to let the game drift to a draw - even though we're in the Premier League, I would have hoped that we would make positive changes to go for the 3 points in a winnable home game. 3 goals in 4 games isn't great, and although Toney and Mbeumo work outstandingly hard, they don't look like scoring too many at the moment.

Hopefully TF has learned a thing or two from today. His switch to 3-4-3 away at Villa Park didn't work, but something similar might have helped to stem the flow at the end of the second half today.
Regards to the subs I think TF had his hand forced a bit. Ideally would like to have seen Wissa as fresh legs up front but to have left Sergi and Vitali on could have been an accident waiting to happen with the card happy ref. Also as you say Baptiste was never going to last 90 mins
 
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