Final Score Bees 0 - 2 Barnsley

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Four of our last six league defeats have been inflicted by either Stoke or Barnsley. They, along with possibly Preston who we were lucky to beat at GP last season, certainly seem to have the measure of us.
 

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Flat from the get go. Most players looked jaded. Combination of playing Saturday-Tuesday/Wednesday-Saturday & covid 19 outbreak finally catching up with us.

We move on and start again against the mob from W12
 

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We’ve played more games this season than any other team in the English pyramid. A few of the boys with most mileage - Ethan, Henrik and even the indefatigable Rico - are suddenly running on fumes. Reid and Roerslev will step up in the near term and Christian and Pontus will see us over the finish line. Onwards and upwards.
 

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Maybe our analytics team didn't do enough home work on this one. After all, Barnsley's Magic told us beforehand exactly what would happen and presumably their cup game with Chelsea wasn't a one off. Maybe we underestimated their current ability.
Barnsley were better than us today, better game plan, better organised and looked fitter. Fortunately not many other sides look capable of doing that to us over 90 minutes.
 

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What's this fair play to Barnsley b0ll0cks. 24 fouls. 4 yellows 2 of whom they subbed in case they got a red. The goalkeeper worse than Notts Forest Samba last year for timewasting. There was nothing entertaining about that game.
They actually received 6 yellow cards. 4 to players and 2 to other members on the sidelines.
 

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I know it’s all about opinions on this site. Hate to see fellow bees bickering. We like the team will dust ourselves down and go again. Roll on Wednesday when we start our next winning run. U bees 🐝
 

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It hurts of course tonight to lose. But we should all realise the fragility of football, with a black & white canvas of feeling. We should rejoice this defeat! Having a taste in our mouths that isn’t very sweet. But reflect on a run of 21 games before, when we haven’t had to succumb to this feeling! Yes, it stinks. But let’s look forward to a new dawn of conquering over all before us to get to our end goal.

So, first. Let’s beat them C**ts down the road, eh!
 

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Barnsley did exactly what they did at GP last season: pressed us very high, stopped us from getting into a flow, and showed more intensity than we did.
 

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Maybe our analytics team didn't do enough home work on this one. After all, Barnsley's Magic told us beforehand exactly what would happen and presumably their cup game with Chelsea wasn't a one off. Maybe we underestimated their current ability.
Barnsley were better than us today, better game plan, better organised and looked fitter. Fortunately not many other sides look capable of doing that to us over 90 minutes.
Barnsley game plan was simply to stop us playing, it's happened before & no doubt it will happen again. Fact is we are a unit, stop the unit & we struggle, we don't have individual players who can turn a game on their own that forces the opposition to change tactics. A pundit said last week, "Norwich & Bournemouth have the best individual squads but Brentford are by far the best team" -
 

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The balls we play around the defenders are just not hit hard enough meaning that the pressers can press. They just had 6 pressing our knocking it around the back. A quick ball can take them all out the game, instead they get a corner!

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Yes and how often have we seen a quick, decisive forward pass, pinged along the deck by Pontus.
Ethan is a wonderful defender but he’s struggling playing on the right hand side.
 

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Barnsley game plan was simply to stop us playing, it's happened before & no doubt it will happen again. Fact is we are a unit, stop the unit & we struggle, we don't have individual players who can turn a game on their own that forces the opposition to change tactics. A pundit said last week, "Norwich & Bournemouth have the best individual squads but Brentford are by far the best team" -
I think it is a bit more subtle than simply stopping us playing. That's more Stoke, Forest and Boro. Barnsley's high press and high energy game has obviously taken a lot of planning, as the Barnsley Magic said. It was very evident against Chelsea. I just think we underestimated how good they are at it and expected them to tire late on. Instead they planned ahead for that and got even stronger.

Not our finest hour today, but sometimes you just have to put your hand up and admit ..... they were the better team on the day.
 

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the game was crying out for Mbueno off and Jenson into the middle at HT. We needed some composure in the middle to buy an extra second and pass through the middle. By the time BM went off and MJ was on we were hoofing it up to the Barnsley defenders and bypassing the midfield completely.
It looked like TF didn't want to take BM off too early to hurt his confidence, but it was a clear weak link, compared to Canos on the other side. JDS seemed a yard slower today, but thank god for Janelt who is always up for the battle. Need to shrug this one off for Wednesday and get back to the best available starting line up.
 

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Today wasn't about who has the best players or which is the best team, it was simply down to the fact that their players were prepared to run more that our players. Good luck to them they deserved the points.
 

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I think it is a bit more subtle than simply stopping us playing. That's more Stoke, Forest and Boro. Barnsley's high press and high energy game has obviously taken a lot of planning, as the Barnsley Magic said. It was very evident against Chelsea. I just think we underestimated how good they are at it and expected them to tire late on. Instead they planned ahead for that and got even stronger.

Not our finest hour today, but sometimes you just have to put your hand up and admit ..... they were the better team on the day.

You’re spot on, we did plan ahead, we normally more often than not start with two of the three up top that finish the game, because we see them as our best pressing options, today we knew from you previous games you come on strong at the end of games, take over and blow teams away, when they can’t physically press you anymore, so we counter acted that by having our better players fresh and on the pitch at the end. We always change the front three after an hour so we can press from the front for the full game. But today we changed it to our best three.
 

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Hopefully we can take that loss out on qpr now. The unbeaten run was starting to get too much media attention as well, so mabye its for the best.
 

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Barnsley deserve that win today for sure.

pressed high and disrupted our play with lots of little fouls.

24 fouls is by far the most against us all season. Swansea were next with 20 but most are around 10 fouls per game.

it works against us. The ball is only in play for about 60 minutes per game, and we’re only in possession for about half that. So they’re basically fouling us every minute. Didn’t really feel that way but clearly was the plan . Worked too.
 

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Not half as concerning as Pinnock's.


No way, Pinnock has been outstanding this season despite playing out of position since Pontus got injured in December. Bryan has been poor for a lot of the season and the last two games I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did before being subbed.
 

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Yes Barnsley deserved their win but my word we were s**t today. You cant come up against a relentless pressing side like Barnsley and expect to get anything out of the game when 4-5 plays have absolute stinkers.

Henry - His worst game since he joined
Pinnock - Not at the races and the lack of leadership at the back is starting to show.
Bryan - Dreadful, needs taking out of the starting 11. How long are we going to wait for him "to come good".
JDS - Looked like he was just off the pace today.
Henrik - Multiple long balls to no one and gave the ball away far too often.
Raya - Distribution was a little off, and again doesnt command the ball into the box. Put multiple players under unnecessary pressure today.

Subs made little impact as the game was up by then. TF has to shoulder some of the blame, got the team selection wrong and HT was screaming for Jensen in the middle................ We had to wait until 65+mins. Not good enough.

We cant win every game and its about how we bounce back, but lets not beat around the bush, if we keep bleating on about top 2 and opening threads about promotion etc then these are the teams we need to be beating. For me they did us on desire and effort. We were off our game and got done.

Anyone who thinks PJ isnt missed is barking mad, having to score 2 goals after going behind in games is no good.

Toney MOM for me, but if we are going to keep lumping balls up to him the the bloody wide men need to get closer and offer something to him.

Not happy but hopefuly we bounce back. A win against that lot who have had a break is a must IMO. They will be well up for it now.
 

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I think we need to remember the lesson we learned earlier in the season. We need to earn the chance to play by competing in and winning midfield. We play as a team and today pretty much everyone was forced to be well below par by a Barnsley team that played predictably and in a well drilled way.

Our unbeaten run started with us playing conservatively and getting draws in games we’d have lost last season (as well as in some games we might have won by just turning the screw because we didn’t have to worry about conserving players for 3 games a week). Just before it ended we’d started to stretch our legs and move from 433 to 424 but that came unstuck today against a team that was going to press consistently and then find we had a hole in midfield.

Some have moaned about what Jensen brings us, but we had more semblance of control when he came on albeit too late. JDS is still a way off match sharpness so if he’s to play it needs to be alongside Jensen where they can both mop up defensively on their respective sides and link the FBs to the wide forwards. Then, when we have control, we can go for the throat by swapping out one of them for Ghoddos/Forss to pair Toney. But we can’t start that way against anyone half decent and Barnsley are that. They were in a false position last season and if they had a proper out and out striker in their front 3 would be challenging for top 6 (sort of the inverse of Blackburn who have that but are a bit meh elsewhere- be glad Armstrong is not at Barnsley!).
 

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Today wasn't about who has the best players or which is the best team, it was simply down to the fact that their players were prepared to run more that our players. Good luck to them they deserved the points.
They played well as a unit. Ethan has been great for us but those two goals were embarrassing defending.

We won’t be so puffed up against Rangers on Wednesday so that’s one silver lining to the defeat. They better watch out.
 

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Disappointing but Barnsley totally outplayed us today and were worthy winners. We weren’t going to go through to the end of the season unbeaten and I’d rather this defeat than to a top 6 team. Fingers crossed for a more robust performance at Shepherds Bush. Thats likely to be our toughest trip there in a while based on their current form but we are good enough to get something and chance to put together another run
 

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It takes a bit of getting used to losing in the league again .. it makes you feel very deflated and kind of brings you back down to earth .. we have to remember though, on our day, we know we are the best team in this league and it will show come May
 

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Wonder if Pinnocks mistake for the second goal came about because he panicked as he didnt know who was behind him?
Theres been a couple of goals recently where players have got in off the back of him where imo he needs to be more aware.
 

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Wonder if Pinnocks mistake for the second goal came about because he panicked as he didnt know who was behind him?
Theres been a couple of goals recently where players have got in off the back of him where imo he needs to be more aware.

No to me it looked like a complete lack of concentration and organisation at the back. MBS followed his man well out of position allowing the movement in behind (think Janelt let his man run into that space). Therefore leaving Pinnock in no mans land and flat footed. Not great but it was a team issue.
 

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Barnsley deserve that win today for sure.

pressed high and disrupted our play with lots of little fouls.

24 fouls is by far the most against us all season. Swansea were next with 20 but most are around 10 fouls per game.

it works against us. The ball is only in play for about 60 minutes per game, and we’re only in possession for about half that. So they’re basically fouling us every minute. Didn’t really feel that way but clearly was the plan . Worked too.
Barnsley deserve that win today for sure.

pressed high and disrupted our play with lots of little fouls.

24 fouls is by far the most against us all season. Swansea were next with 20 but most are around 10 fouls per game.

it works against us. The ball is only in play for about 60 minutes per game, and we’re only in possession for about half that. So they’re basically fouling us every minute. Didn’t really feel that way but clearly was the plan . Worked too.
I deduce from the Barnsley supporter Magical’s prior comments that their tactics are a deliberate game plan too, and have been in development for few years now. It’s true that their tactics beat us today, but it’s also true that they were relegated in 17/18, got promoted back to the championship in 18/19, and narrowly avoided relegation last season, by one place. I don’t know what to make of such a plan!
 

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Thomas Frank has come out and slammed the performance on Talk Sport.
He said pancake day must be coming, as the player's attitude was totally crepe.
 

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No to me it looked like a complete lack of concentration and organisation at the back. MBS followed his man well out of position allowing the movement in behind (think Janelt let his man run into that space). Therefore leaving Pinnock in no mans land and flat footed. Not great but it was a team issue.
Havent watched it back but from memory thought he could of just let it go past him but maybe wasnt sure who was there
 

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Havent watched it back but from memory thought he could of just let it go past him but maybe wasnt sure who was there

Flat footed, un aware of where his man really was, not in great form, MBS gone walkies, HD lacking in communication?

Loads of variables that summed our afternoon up really.
 

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Thomas Frank has come out and slammed the performance on Talk Sport.
He said pancake day must be coming, as the player's attitude was totally crepe.

Good to hear a reaction like that. Im sure he has got his points across to the players.
 

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No way, Pinnock has been outstanding this season despite playing out of position since Pontus got injured in December. Bryan has been poor for a lot of the season and the last two games I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did before being subbed.
I disagree Pinnock has not been outstanding this season. The reason being he is obliged to play on his wrong side. Last season he was imperious this season he has merely done a good job. Not his fault just circumstances.
 

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I find it simply amazing how quickly some people on the GPG crumble!

Just as well some of you aren’t responsible for picking up the team morale and determination between now and Wednesday!

Yes, not a good day at the office, in terms of the score, but come on, one loss in 22 games.

Plus, we had a clear penalty that even a man at Specsavers would have seen.

Also for all their huff and puff, Barnsley did not, when you take an objective view , do as much actually as the actual stats show.

Yes, in midfield and against our defence they pressed and pressed.

We had 63% possession against their 37%, 14 shots against their 11, 3 on target v their 6, 7 corners v their 5, , and 9 fouls v their outrageous 24, which the ref didn’t do much about.

We basically made 2 mistakes within our 6 yard box, and that was it.

However, regardless if we can play as poorly as that, and they rely upon 2 mistakes, and we don’t get a clear penalty, then in my opinion, for an off day, all of those combinations are unlikely to happen much again.

Once, perhaps twice, in all the remaining games.

Just glad that some of you couldn’t be at the match today - you’d have done more damage than good! Ouch!😂

Let’s get behind the team and TF, not bang them into the ground.
 
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We badly need Norgaard and Marcondes back .. there were few options on the bench really apart from Tariq. Forss well he’s still work in progress and is not able to play the TONEY role yet imo.
 

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Ethan needs a rest. Apart from his red card he seems to have played every minute this season including cup games when all other regulars were absent. Not particularly singling him out for criticism because most of the team were a bit off today.
 

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We badly need Norgaard and Marcondes back .. there were few options on the bench really apart from Tariq. Forss well he’s still work in progress and is not able to play the TONEY role yet imo.
The last player I could think to galvanise us against Barnsley today is Marcondes. They would have had him for breakfast.
 

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Tony’s limitations really exposed today, let’s hope we can bounce back

To be fair this is right, today exposed that if the entire side don’t turn up and we give away sloppy goals, Toney is limited to creating one clear chance through quick thinking and having a stone wall penalty against him turned down.

Hopefully Ivan can work on these limitations in training so he can carry the entire team to a result in future.
 

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I find it simply amazing how quickly some people on the GPG crumble!

Just as well some of you aren’t responsible for picking up the team morale and determination between now and Wednesday.

Just aswell the manager and players are made of tougher stuff than some people on here who get mortally offended at the slightest criticism.
If someone feels a player or the team have had a bad game they should be free to say it.
We wont get far saying someone has played well when they haven't . Thats not crumbling imo and doesnt mean they're not behind the team!
 
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