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The Tykes were worth the win. Pressured and harried and defended like demons.....we didn't. We lost the middle of the park with Ghoddos and JDS largely absent and Janelt couldn't do it all on his own. As a result Canos and Mbeumo were largely running down blind alleys and IT cut a frustrated and unsupported figure throughout. The defence were collectively all over the shop, Rico and Henrik were as poor as they have been this year & Ethan will draw little positive from his performance. Small margins, Ghoddos should have done better shortly before half time with a shot and the Ref missing the definite Pen with the push on Toney. Sloppy, tired and for the first time in ages lacked in self belief.

I think the derby against Rangers will be the perfect game to get back on track.
 

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The Tykes were worth the win. Pressured and harried and defended like demons.....we didn't. We lost the middle of the park with Ghoddos and JDS largely absent and Janelt couldn't do it all on his own. As a result Canos and Mbeumo were largely running down blind alleys and IT cut a frustrated and unsupported figure throughout. The defence were collectively all over the shop, Rico and Henrik were as poor as they have been this year & Ethan will draw little positive from his performance. Small margins, Ghoddos should have done better shortly before half time with a shot and the Ref missing the definite Pen with the push on Toney. Sloppy, tired and for the first time in ages lacked in self belief.

I think the derby against Rangers will be the perfect game to get back on track.
Think this sums things up perfectly.
 

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We played badly, they played well. We created some half chances and should of had a penalty but, overall, no question they were the better side on the day and deserved the three points.

I don’t believe the mob from the bush or Coventry will have the organisation, discipline or fitness levels to play how Barnsley did for 90+ minutes. No easy games in this league but two decent opponents to get six more points and the promotion push back on track.
 

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Maybe our analytics team didn't do enough home work on this one. After all, Barnsley's Magic told us beforehand exactly what would happen and presumably their cup game with Chelsea wasn't a one off. Maybe we underestimated their current ability.
Barnsley were better than us today, better game plan, better organised and looked fitter. Fortunately not many other sides look capable of doing that to us over 90 minutes.
I think it was more of a case the team couldn’t live with them yesterday. The analysis prep is always meticulous and a key part of our rise.
 

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The Tykes were worth the win. Pressured and harried and defended like demons.....we didn't. We lost the middle of the park with Ghoddos and JDS largely absent and Janelt couldn't do it all on his own. As a result Canos and Mbeumo were largely running down blind alleys and IT cut a frustrated and unsupported figure throughout. The defence were collectively all over the shop, Rico and Henrik were as poor as they have been this year & Ethan will draw little positive from his performance. Small margins, Ghoddos should have done better shortly before half time with a shot and the Ref missing the definite Pen with the push on Toney. Sloppy, tired and for the first time in ages lacked in self belief.

I think the derby against Rangers will be the perfect game to get back on track.
Every ball played out by Raya was met by 4 Tykes. 1 closing down and 3 cutting off the angles. So the ball from Raya had to be played at speed, so risking a mis-control or too slow and risk getting caught in possession. The only out ball became the long diagonal, which is a 50/50. Felt like the midfield didn't move enough to create new angles for Raya/the back 4 to counter the 4 man press.
 

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Every ball played out by Raya was met by 4 Tykes. 1 closing down and 3 cutting off the angles. So the ball from Raya had to be played at speed, so risking a mis-control or too slow and risk getting caught in possession. The only out ball became the long diagonal, which is a 50/50. Felt like the midfield didn't move enough to create new angles for Raya/the back 4 to counter the 4 man press.
Valid point. Raya can usually play the chipped longer pass out with amazing accuracy but even that wasn't their yesterday. Maybe makes your point that the midfield were too static in creating options. I suppose you grudgingly have to compliment the work ethic of the Barnsley players, though the foul count allowed by a weak referee certainly helped them maintaining their high intensity press - just me being a one eyed Bees fan who needs a pantomime villain to vent at ;) .
 

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I could not see anything wrong when the Barnsley keeper kicked the ball into Toney’s back very early in the game. Toney was about 3 — 4 meters away and did not raise a foot
That was inexplicable......
 

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The Tykes were worth the win. Pressured and harried and defended like demons.....we didn't. We lost the middle of the park with Ghoddos and JDS largely absent and Janelt couldn't do it all on his own. As a result Canos and Mbeumo were largely running down blind alleys and IT cut a frustrated and unsupported figure throughout. The defence were collectively all over the shop, Rico and Henrik were as poor as they have been this year & Ethan will draw little positive from his performance. Small margins, Ghoddos should have done better shortly before half time with a shot and the Ref missing the definite Pen with the push on Toney. Sloppy, tired and for the first time in ages lacked in self belief.

I think the derby against Rangers will be the perfect game to get back on track.
Great summary Balders Bee.You can’t keep going one down and the turn it around.
Hopefully this comes at a good time and reinvigorates us for the games ahead,starting on Wednesday.
 

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Obviously the run was going to come to an end and in hindsight i'm glad it did with such a woeful performance. Impossible to pick a MOTM, maybe Canos for me?
JDS, Ghoddos and Mbeumo all way off the mark in an attacking sense. Henry's worst display of the season. Pinnock getting shown up for being incredibly one footed - we really should be looking at getting balance back into the back four with Reid. Right foot, left foot CB's please.

Barnsley were very decent as a unit and we were totally rattled. We've come along way which is fantastic but the cracks are there. The attack has bailed the defense out for months, got to refocus on conceding less goals and clean sheets. The shape is good but the defending of the box from crosses is absolutely pathetic at the moment.

Got a perfect chance to put it right on Wednesday.
 
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I could not see anything wrong when the Barnsley keeper kicked the ball into Toney’s back very early in the game. Toney was about 3 — 4 meters away and did not raise a foot
Odd decision. Seemed a tactic to stop keeper putting low trajectory kicks out quickly.
 

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To be fair this is right, today exposed that if the entire side don’t turn up and we give away sloppy goals, Toney is limited to creating one clear chance through quick thinking and having a stone wall penalty against him turned down.

Hopefully Ivan can work on these limitations in training so he can carry the entire team to a result in future.
I wouldn't give that poster the satisfaction of a response - he is a troll in its purest form
 

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Here is your Sunday afternoon Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable (some of you need to read this and take note edition):
  1. We have lost 0-2 at home ✅
  2. It is our first defeat in 22 league games ✅
  3. Apart from Reading‘s freak season 15 years ago, Championship unbeaten runs have not gone beyond 23 games so we were statistically likely to lose sooner rather than later ✅
  4. I’d take losing to this lot than the filth from Shepherd’s Bush any day✅
  5. We are still 2nd in the Championship ✅
  6. Only 1 point behind Norwich and we still have to play them again✅
  7. We will still be (at least) 2nd in the Championship after the midweek round of games ✅
  8. 4 points clear of Swansea ✅
  9. 6 points clear of Watford ✅
  10. 9 points clear of Reading ✅
  11. 11 points clear of Bournemouth ✅
  12. 17 points clear of the play off chasing pack ✅
  13. We still have the best goal difference in the Championship ✅
  14. We still have the most goals scored in the Championship ✅
  15. Ivan is still the Championship leading scorer ✅
  16. Ivan still has the most assists in the Championship ✅
  17. We win as a team and lose as a team. For the Sergi haters who have now become the Bryan haters, please kindly do one ✅
  18. As MA would say, we don’t pop the pills when we lose ✅
  19. The comeback starts on Wednesday. The Rara’s are getting smashed. Fact. ✅
Another great sanity check, thank you. We might also add that, compared to this time last season, we are three places higher (2nd v 5th) and have 10 more points (57 v 47) - a whopping 21% improvement in efficiency.
 

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Just had a look at the highlights, the Barnsley player out wide got a lucky bounce of the ball of the heal of Rico. The ball into the box was to me Pinnock’s to head out for a corner
 

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Dont think Rico was helped by the lack of passing options in midfield when he had the ball.
 

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Valid point. Raya can usually play the chipped longer pass out with amazing accuracy but even that wasn't their yesterday. Maybe makes your point that the midfield were too static in creating options. I suppose you grudgingly have to compliment the work ethic of the Barnsley players, though the foul count allowed by a weak referee certainly helped them maintaining their high intensity press - just me being a one eyed Bees fan who needs a pantomime villain to vent at ;) .
you do realise that a lot of them fouls we’re bought by your players, all they had to do was be strong and not go down. The way young players play the game now days played into our hands, their only fouls because of your players reactions, 90% of them yesterday were easily rideable but your players chose not to, which kept giving us a breather and broke up the flow of your own game.
 

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you do realise that a lot of them fouls we’re bought by your players, all they had to do was be strong and not go down. The way young players play the game now days played into our hands, their only fouls because of your players reactions, 90% of them yesterday were easily rideable but your players chose not to, which kept giving us a breather and broke up the flow of your own game.
24 fouls tells its own story - regardless of if you think they were 'bought' or not. You broke up the flow of the game and a weak referee allowed you to do so, fair play to your team they deserved the win. The referee also missed the clear push on Toney as well. On another day you would have been lucky to keep eleven on the pitch and not concede that obvious decision then it becomes a different game. Still it didn't you executed your game plan brilliantly and deserved the win and fair play to you and good luck for the season etc, etc.....
 
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We badly need Norgaard and Marcondes back .. there were few options on the bench really apart from Tariq. Forss well he’s still work in progress and is not able to play the TONEY role yet imo.
Forss will never be able to play the Toney role, he’s a completely different type of striker.

Undoubtedly a huge talent but not a Brentford number 9 in the mould of Maupay, Watkins, Toney (and each one has been better than the last) so I’d be interested to see how we see his future role.
 

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Having calmed down and thought about this overnight.

We would have been delighted with 2 wins and a draw from out last 3 for 7 points -and would not have complained about a win and 2 draws for 5 points.

As it is we got 2 wins and a loss for 6 points so nothing to be unhappy about points wise.

And I have no doubt at all that our players will be seething about what happened yesterday - In my 32 years of working I can recall a few (very few) very bad days at the office with crap decisions - it happens, you do what you can to learn from it and move on with better knowledge to apply in the future.

Yesterday is done and in the books. Nothing can e done about it but we can start to put it right against the foe on Wednesday - Frank’s knows how to manage people, he will get them ready and the players themselves will be wanting to put it right first time out !!!
 

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Another great sanity check, thank you. We might also add that, compared to this time last season, we are three places higher (2nd v 5th) and have 10 more points (57 v 47) - a whopping 21% improvement in efficiency.
That's bucked me up no end. All we need to do now is put together a run of eight successive wins like last season. Easy.
 

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Forss will never be able to play the Toney role, he’s a completely different type of striker.

Undoubtedly a huge talent but not a Brentford number 9 in the mould of Maupay, Watkins, Toney (and each one has been better than the last) so I’d be interested to see how we see his future role.
Forss works well if a player can position themselves in the hole and feed him. What Forss does not do well is hold the ball up and be a nuisance in the way that previous strikers have before. If anything, he is more of a Lasse Vibe type striker.
 

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Forss will never be able to play the Toney role, he’s a completely different type of striker.

Undoubtedly a huge talent but not a Brentford number 9 in the mould of Maupay, Watkins, Toney (and each one has been better than the last) so I’d be interested to see how we see his future role.
I agree, Forss is having his confidence tested by being asked to play wide right, he doesn't have the pace to play in that position and therefore doesn't make any difference when he comes on.
 

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A few players synchronized to have an off day. Notably Rico. They closed him down really well, but he usually deals with that. Same with Bryan. Still scratching my head and getting pissed off with this constant media linking Ivan with West Ham. Feels like the end of an era. Well, three months anyway. Strange game. Barnsley did a Preston on us. Very good.
 

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A few players synchronized to have an off day. Notably Rico. They closed him down really well, but he usually deals with that. Same with Bryan. Still scratching my head and getting pissed off with this constant media linking Ivan with West Ham. Feels like the end of an era. Well, three months anyway. Strange game. Barnsley did a Preston on us. Very good.
Imo
Barnsley were not as good as Preston imo. Bees never got going, the run had to end and it ended with too many of our players off form. We now need to regroup, get a win on wed and start another unbeaten run, not many teams will go through nearly half a season unbeaten. Time to go again.
 

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you do realise that a lot of them fouls we’re bought by your players, all they had to do was be strong and not go down. The way young players play the game now days played into our hands, their only fouls because of your players reactions, 90% of them yesterday were easily rideable but your players chose not to, which kept giving us a breather and broke up the flow of your own game.
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 

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Barnsley were not as good as Preston imo. Bees never got going, the run had to end and it ended with too many of our players off form. We now need to regroup, get a win on wed and start another unbeaten run, not many teams will go through nearly half a season unbeaten. Time to go again.
This is right. If we’d been 2-0 up at HT v Barnsley I don’t think they’d have come back with 4 in the second half. Indeed had we pulled one back with 15-20 to go I think we’d have got at least a draw whereas we started badly and fell apart completely against Preston. But it’s odd that two middling teams like them have been the ones to do us at home.
 

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Has anyone got a recording of the game where they can give a small video clip of the incident where Toney was penalised for the keeper kicking the ball at him from a fly kick?
 

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Has anyone got a recording of the game where they can give a small video clip of the incident where Toney was penalised for the keeper kicking the ball at him from a fly kick?
As I have said elsewhere, I don’t know why he was penalised
 

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Magical, could I just respectfully ask that you repeat that performance and the score against the other teams in the top six?
Not much to ask is it? That would only be fair, and who knows, you would probably find yourselves in the play-offs anyway.
Ta!
 

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Dont think Rico was helped by the lack of passing options in midfield when he had the ball.
He and MBS were picked out for really close attention as a lot of our play goes down that side. As soon as either of them got the ball there were 3 Barnsley players cutting off options and we'd eventually have to go backwards. It was excellent pressing to be fair.. Ideally what we needed to do was move the ball quicker but you have to be brave and have options ahead of you to do that and we had neither..

It was a poor performance but even with that we can perhaps take comfort that we created two very good chances which both DaSilva and Ghoddos would usually have done much better with and we should really have had a penalty. One of those goes in and it's a different game all of a sudden. On to the next one..
 

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Valid point. Raya can usually play the chipped longer pass out with amazing accuracy but even that wasn't their yesterday. Maybe makes your point that the midfield were too static in creating options. I suppose you grudgingly have to compliment the work ethic of the Barnsley players, though the foul count allowed by a weak referee certainly helped them maintaining their high intensity press - just me being a one eyed Bees fan who needs a pantomime villain to vent at ;) .
A ref who doesn’t know the rules.

As was also shown when a player gets blatantly pushed over in the penalty area.
Must have swallowed his whistle at that moment, or thought that “I’m not going to give that Toney anything".

I’ve always advocated having another 2 Assistant Referees in professional football. There’s enough money to fund them.

In that way you have 3 officials covering the action at any one moment.

Or you could have 1 referee for each half of the pitch.

Let’s face it we haven’t changed the number of officials for 100 years+.
And pro football has moved on so much in terms of speed of players, guile, cheating, rules etc...and so much more at stake.

Therefore, why are The FA etc... not investing in terms of the on pitch officials.
VAR is one thing, but having a guy in a darkened room literally miles away, is already showing that it slows the game up and still doesn’t provide the answers.

In my opinion, decisions should be made there and then on the pitch, live.

A solution already lies in the technology potential linking up the players’ sport vests for offside decisions to send an instant beep to the officials’ ears.

Football needs to be an all action on the move game for 45 minutes each half.
Unlike American football, where the actual game time is 1 hour, but goes on for 3-4 hours, and the action lasts for about 10 seconds before it stops!
 

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I could not see anything wrong when the Barnsley keeper kicked the ball into Toney’s back very early in the game. Toney was about 3 — 4 meters away and did not raise a foot
Valid point. Raya can usually play the chipped longer pass out with amazing accuracy but even that wasn't their yesterday. Maybe makes your point that the midfield were too static in creating options. I suppose you grudgingly have to compliment the work ethic of the Barnsley players, though the foul count allowed by a weak referee certainly helped them maintaining their high intensity press - just me being a one eyed Bees fan who needs a pantomime villain to vent at ;) .
A ref who doesn’t know the rules.

As was also shown when a player gets blatantly pushed over in the penalty area.
Must have swallowed his whistle at that moment, or thought that “I’m not going to give that Toney anything".

I’ve always advocated having another 2 Assistant Referees in professional football. There’s enough money to fund them.

In that way you have 3 officials covering the action at any one moment.

Or you could have 1 referee for each half of the pitch.

Let’s face it we haven’t changed the number of officials for 100 years+.
And pro football has moved on so much in terms of speed of players, guile, cheating, rules etc...and so much more at stake.

Therefore, why are The FA etc... not investing in terms of the on pitch officials.
VAR is one thing, but having a guy in a darkened room literally miles away, is already showing that it slows the game up and still doesn’t provide the answers.

In my opinion, decisions should be made there and then on the pitch, live, but with more officials.

A solution already lies in the technology potential linking up the players’ sport vests for offside decisions to send an instant beep to the officials’ ears.

Football needs to be an all action on the move game for 45 minutes each half.
Unlike American football, where the actual game time is 1 hour, but goes on for 3-4 hours, and the action lasts for about 10 seconds before it stops!
 

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