Final Score Bees 3 - 0 Sheffield Wednesday (Mbeumo, Ghoddos, MBS)

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Here is your Wednesday evening Fact Check courtesy of Untouchable (the revival starts NOW edition):
  1. Win 3-0 at home ✅
  2. The (mini) slump is over ✅
  3. First clean sheet in 10 games ✅
  4. We are still second in the Championship ✅
  5. Still ahead of Watford on GD ✅
  6. We are still ahead of Swansea who are massively over performing against their position in the justice league and are due a poor run ✅
  7. 9 points clear of Reading ✅
  8. 11 points clear of Cardiff (6th) and Bournemouth (7th) ✅
  9. We still have the best goal difference in the league ✅
  10. We still have scored the most goals in the league ✅
  11. Ivan is still the leading Championship goal scorer ✅
  12. Brentford players are ranked 1st (Ivan), 5th (Mbeumo) and 7th (Jensen) for assists in the Championship ✅
  13. Sorry Sergi haters. He’s got an assist tonight and earned his ‘taking one for the team’ badge✅
  14. Sorry Bryan haters. He’s got a goal and an assist tonight ✅
  15. Sorry Ghoddos haters. He’s got a goal and an assist tonight too. ✅
  16. MBS getting his first league goal for the club ✅
  17. Winston Reid was superb tonight. Kudos to those who brought him in ✅
  18. Ivan back from injury ✅
  19. Emiliano back from injury ✅
  20. Dry sheets all round tonight ✅
  21. The Brentford automatic promotion express is gathering pace again. Stoke are getting smashed on Saturday ✅
To also note:

We are 6 points better off than after 32 games last season

We are 4 points better off than Leeds were after 32 games last season
 

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To also note:

We are 6 points better off than after 32 games last season

We are 4 points better off than Leeds were after 32 games last season
Great stats.

Wednesday’s game was everything that was missing from Saturday. A lot more confidence was shown, with some players also back from injury.

Bryan didn’t know much about it but still managed to move his head instinctively for the first goal.

I did question why we tracked Ghoddos for so long but you can see why. All of his finishes have been superb. Split second timing.

Roll on Saturday with hopefully Christian making some sort of appearance, probably from the bench. They got back Bidstrup quickly so I expect the same for him too.

And those fouls by Canos and Dalsgaard - let’s get dirty, Brentford!
 

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To also note:

We are 6 points better off than after 32 games last season

We are 4 points better off than Leeds were after 32 games last season
These figures are morale-boosting but misleading. For one thing, we can hardly count on repeating the eight-successive-win sequence that we achieved in the final run-in last season. More meaningful would be to measure progress against the two-points-per-game measuring stick. To date, with 32 games played, we have fallen just four points short of the two points per game tally. Achieving two points per game in our remaining fixtures would put us on 88 points at the end of the season, which is usually enough to secure at least the second promotion spot.

But the key word is "usually". Given all the imponderables that have to be be taken into account - injuries to key players, suspensions, a run of dodgy refereeing decisions going against us, and above all how our competitors fare - the best that can be said is that we are near certainties for a top-six spot, with a roughly one in three chance of taking the second promotion spot, and an outside chance of going up as champions. I see Norwich taking top spot, but would be happy to be proven wrong (as long as it's we who finish ahead of them). For the number two spot, it's in the lap of the gods.
 
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These figures are morale-boosting but misleading. For one thing, we can hardly count on repeating the eight-successive-win sequence that we achieved in the final run-in last season. More meaningful would be to measure progress against the two-points-per-game measuring stick. To date, with 32 games played, we have fallen just four points short of the two points per game tally. Achieving two points per game in our remaining fixtures would put us on 88 points at the end of the season, which is usually enough to secure at least the second promotion spot.

But the key word is "usually". Given all the imponderables that have to be be taken into account - injuries to key players, suspensions, a run of dodgy refereeing decisions going against us, and above all how our competitors fare - the best that can be said is that we are near certainties for a top-six spot, with a roughly one in three chance of taking the second promotion spot, and an outside chance of going up as champions. I see Norwich taking top spot, but would be happy to be proven wrong (as long as it's we who finish ahead of them). For the number two spot, it's in the lap of the gods.
Two things in response:

1) ‘Morale boosting but misleading’. Another term is ‘fact.’
2) We have already bettered the 8 game winning run this season. Over a 10 game period within our unbeaten run, we won 8 and drew 2.
 

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Two things in response:

1) ‘Morale boosting but misleading’. Another term is ‘fact.’
2) We have already bettered the 8 game winning run this season. Over a 10 game period within our unbeaten run, we won 8 and drew 2.
Has to be seen against what other teams are doing I would have thought. Norwich and Swansea in driving seat following our trio of tragedy
 

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I made the mistake of starting last night on the Sky red button. The commentator was doing my head in generally, but specifically because he kept going on about how bad our defensive record is. I know it's been poor for the last few games, but =8th overall over the season? Not to mention GF and GDiff. Did I miss an astute contextual reference (e.g. last X games) or was he just wittering? iFollow came to the rescue at half time.
You know it's bad times when iFollow commentary comes to the rescue...
 

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I made the mistake of starting last night on the Sky red button. The commentator was doing my head in generally, but specifically because he kept going on about how bad our defensive record is. I know it's been poor for the last few games, but =8th overall over the season? Not to mention GF and GDiff. Did I miss an astute contextual reference (e.g. last X games) or was he just wittering? iFollow came to the rescue at half time.
If I have to watch the game on Sky then I watch it with the sound turned off usually, it is just repetitive cliche driven drivel as a rule as is most of the stuff from Sky/ BT pundits & commentators. If I can I always watch the game on iFollow as although the picture quality may not be as good I find the commentary fine and far more informative than Sky and presented by people who really know the club not just the headlines.
 

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Sky is watching on telly with professional commentators trying to be a bit balanced and giving info about both teams. iFollow is more like a substitute for watching with a few friends in the Bees end. They’ll be cheering the goals and moaning about the mistakes along with you.
 

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When I'm forced to watch with the Sky commentators I soon get distracted by shouting about the irrelevant statto nonsense... with the score at 2-0, if it finishes like this it will be the same result as the fixture in 1938... **** off!
 

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These figures are morale-boosting but misleading. For one thing, we can hardly count on repeating the eight-successive-win sequence that we achieved in the final run-in last season. More meaningful would be to measure progress against the two-points-per-game measuring stick. To date, with 32 games played, we have fallen just four points short of the two points per game tally. Achieving two points per game in our remaining fixtures would put us on 88 points at the end of the season, which is usually enough to secure at least the second promotion spot.

But the key word is "usually". Given all the imponderables that have to be be taken into account - injuries to key players, suspensions, a run of dodgy refereeing decisions going against us, and above all how our competitors fare - the best that can be said is that we are near certainties for a top-six spot, with a roughly one in three chance of taking the second promotion spot, and an outside chance of going up as champions. I see Norwich taking top spot, but would be happy to be proven wrong (as long as it's we who finish ahead of them). For the number two spot, it's in the lap of the gods.
I really think that 85 or 86 points is going to be enough to get second this year. Fatigue will set in, teams like Cardiff, Barnsley and one I can't mention have found some form, and someone else will also have a run...Derby maybe, or Muff or Bristol C could get a new manager bounce, or even Millwall could have one of those 'just too late' runs they manage every couple of years. It's a crazy league. There are also plenty of games between the current top 6 and no way telling how they will go. Basically everyone will drop points in games all the stats guys will tell you they shouldn't.

The teams that keep it tight at the back will keep accumulating points, which is why I was pleased with our defensive performance midweek. If we can stop shipping silly goals then we have as much chance of going up as Swansea or Watford. I don't see anyone farther back than that overhauling us, and if they do then we aren't going to be second anyway!

Of course if we're all hovering around 82-83 points with 2 games to go then there will be a lot of sleepless nights so yeah, lets push for 90!!!!
 

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When I'm forced to watch with the Sky commentators I soon get distracted by shouting about the irrelevant statto nonsense... with the score at 2-0, if it finishes like this it will be the same result as the fixture in 1938... **** off!
Stuff like that back in the Motty days was impressively nerdy research, albeit no less irrelevant. Now, it just shows that some intern has been sent off to compile a list of factoids off the internet.
 

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Two things in response:

1) ‘Morale boosting but misleading’. Another term is ‘fact.’
2) We have already bettered the 8 game winning run this season. Over a 10 game period within our unbeaten run, we won 8 and drew 2.
Don't disagree but history says we will need to win at least 8 or 9 games of the remaining 14 with 2 or 3 draws thrown in to have a reasonable chance of automatic promotion. Definately doable but not a lot of slack available for any more loss of form.
 

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If I have to watch the game on Sky then I watch it with the sound turned off usually, it is just repetitive cliche driven drivel as a rule as is most of the stuff from Sky/ BT pundits & commentators. If I can I always watch the game on iFollow as although the picture quality may not be as good I find the commentary fine and far more informative than Sky and presented by people who really know the club not just the headlines.
I can't stand that Andy Hinchcliffe he always says what the player should have done, he must not have made any mistakes in his career,
shame we can't mute individual commentators, also when watching the game you want to know who is on the ball, particularly when
it is on the other side of the pitch, this seems worse when the game is on the red button.
 
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I can't stand that Andy Hinchcliffe he always says what the player should have done, he must not have made any mistakes in his career,
shame we can't mute individual commentators, also when watching the game you want to know who is on the ball, particularly when
it is on the other side of the pitch, this seems worse when the game is on the red button.
He is awful.
I find it more annoying when someone like Jonathan Pearce (or even our own Mark Burridge) says what a player 'should've done' - 'should've scored' being my most detested comment. They're even less qualified than Hinchcliffe.

The 'less is more' principal seems to have been completely forgotten by commentators, these days. They never shut up. :(

I enjoy our matches with the sound muted, music playing or sometimes Judge Judy on the telly, as my background noise. 🤷‍♂️ :sueme:
 

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I used to like Brian Moore's commentating. Not guessing what the manager thinks or what should have happened. Nothing wrong with silence from a commentator. I don't like having the ex-pro's included either. They seem to do more and more talking. Awful irritating accents as well.
 

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I used to like Brian Moore's commentating. Not guessing what the manager thinks or what should have happened. Nothing wrong with silence from a commentator. I don't like having the ex-pro's included either. They seem to do more and more talking. Awful irritating accents as well.
Off topic, but also Barry Davies when commentating on football, along with many other sports. The TV commentators of that era knew when to let the pictures do the talking! Richie Benaud and Henry Longhurst another pair of good oldies in that respect.
 

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