Final Score Bees (Henry) 1-2 Norwich (Att: 16,837)

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It is legitimate because you don't get punished for doing it. You get booked for divining, shirt pulling, etc. whilst slowing the game down through feigning injuries has no repercussions. Slowing it down by taking ages over throw-ins and goal kicks will get you booked, but falling to the ground doesn't.

It's not exactly sportsman-like, but when there's hundreds of millions of pounds on the line sporting conduct goes out the window.
So change the rules as it’s sickening to watch, a)cheating and b)conning the ref to get an opponent booked or ref carded. Despicable
 

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I don’t agree, feigning injury every couple of minutes (often when no opposition players within three yards of you) is not a legitimate way of the game, any more than diving, shirt pulling or anything else is a legitimate part of the game.

You’re completely right that all teams, including us, use it but that doesn’t make it right. In the heat of the game my gripe is with Norwich, however, in the cold light of day, my issue is with the officials and those running the game that they haven’t made a concerted effort to crack down on time wasting (in all forms) rather than with those that exploit the ‘loophole’.
I agree. It’s cheating. We do it too. The referees stop play for any supposed injury now, and it’s getting worse.The Norwich fella yesterday (late on) had a hand injury so he went down, and the ref stopped play. He should have been ordered off the pitch for his treatment. There’s no need to spoil it for the rest of us.They get ordered off to treat an open wound, blood related type of injury, so why not limps etc? Stretcher them off straight away, no messing, and let back on after a minimum 10 minutes. That’ll learn ‘em.
 

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The Norwich fella yesterday (late on) had a hand injury so he went down, and the ref stopped play. He should have been ordered off the pitch for his treatment
Why? He's injured, why should one team go down to 10 men because his hand needs attention rather than his (say) head?
 

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You don’t play football with your hand and you don’t need to lie down if you have a bad hand either.
OK so when Toney's hand is hanging off having been stamped-on repeatedly after being tripped-up, he should walk off for treatment.

Stupid comment.
 
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OK so when Toney's hand is hanging off having been stamped-on repeatedly after being tripped-up, he should walk off for treatment.

Stupid comment.
It’s not at all, a hand injury should be treated off the pitch regardless of whether it’s Toney or the oppo. Please don’t be so aggressive either
 

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It’s not at all, a hand injury should be treated off the pitch regardless of whether it’s Toney or the oppo.
I disagree. An injury is an injury and shouldn't lead to 11 v 10 and then 11 v 9 and perhaps 11 v 8
 

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Fans were sh*t, and it’s been a problem for us at home except vs Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Lots of people either physically not turning up due to the poor run and the lack of “glamour” tie or just not being “up for it” in the stadium. It’s a shame, we should all know that every game at this level should be like a cup final for us fans.

All that said, I don’t think the booing is quite so out of line as you think it is. It’s not like abuse. To go in at half time 2-0 down to (comfortably) the worst side in the league so far has to warrant some kind of negative reaction from the crowd, especially after what happened at Burnley a week ago. Sometimes a kick up the ass is what’s required so inspire some kind of urgency.
I am hoping to get to my first league game soon. Not been able to get tickets for me and mine, but think I can now. Not been since v Sheffield Wed. No problem with new fans, but miffed with non bees going and me not.
 

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Bit bored of our fans slagging off the atmosphere and the way others support the team. Some of you need to accept that some games will be quieter then others.

Also we have gone from averaging 9-10k a week to now getting 15-16k. Not all these fans are going to be die hards and people/faces will be changing in and around you. Its a bun fight for members. We've seen new people next to us each week. Its not a ST seat so have to accept different styles of support will be sat there. I took two non Bees with me on the other two ST's we have, one used to have a ST but gave it up for work and the other one loved the experience and now wants to go to more games. They weren't partisan but got involved in their own way.

We are in the Prem, we need to accept there will be lots of random's who want to watch us now............... Hopefully they get the bug.

FWIW i dont think the sound at the BCS travels that well unless the majority are up for is. The West stand just to our right was lively all game. However everywhere else was quiet.

I've not heard a peep from away fans, but i doubt they have been quiet. Therefore it may sound quiet where you are when in fact there is actually a decent effort being made.

If we are focusing on the atmosphere instead of the **** player performance then we need our heads looking at.

Going a goal down that early against a very poor side will always kill an atmosphere.

Stop telling people how to support.
 

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I am hoping to get to my first league game soon. Not been able to get tickets for me and mine, but think I can now. Not been since v Sheffield Wed. No problem with new fans, but miffed with non bees going and me not.

Are you a member with decent TAPS? Its been easy for all my mates who are members to get tickets.
 

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Are you a member with decent TAPS? Its been easy for all my mates who are members to get tickets.
As long as they are doing a job that means they can decide to have 2pm off , sometimes 3pm, on their own whim.
 

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As for the game.

Injuries are hurting us not the fitness. I dont buy that professional footballers are tired and worn out going into the November international break.

We are now playing players who are now not match ready and carrying knocks. We need our threat back in the CM area. JDS and Baptiste have been huge losses.

We are rushing our play and feel like we need to hit teams asap. Canos until the 20min hadnt found a single player in red and white with a pass. Toney panicked and cost us the first, VJ was also guilty of rushed balls forward.

Goode should never have come on. I would have pushed us to a 4-3-3 and brought Roerslev on. Pushing Pontus out wide killed us for the second. Got caught flat, not enough pace and stupid recovery tackle. Make Pukki score, make him beat Fernandez by making it tough and apply a bit of pressure especially as he was on his weak foot. Didnt need to dive in. Also lucky not to be sent off. Not a fan at all.

We then grab our goal and are on top going into the last 25mins....................... What do we do.................... Decide that the only option is to go route one!!!!! FFS we had them on the back foot and decide that we need to stick Goode up top and lump it up to him. It killed the game looked very desperate and Norwich must have thanked their lucky stars. TF needs to give his head a wobble over that decision. He killed our momentum, we lost all our shape with Forss coming on and we looked like a group of individuals instead of a team with a game plan. I dont want to see us do that again. We were causing them issues in wide areas, SG was doing well and that all ended on that decision.

The more i think about it the more it boils my blood. I couldnt believe what i was seeing. Rico was up until then my MOM. Poor tactical decisions all round by the main man.

Norwich werent great. Took their chances, Krul won them the game. We gave it to them.

I would like to see us go 4-3-3 at Newcastle. Lets get some pace and width higher up the park.

Mads Pontus Pinnock Henry as a back four looks very solid to me.
 

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As long as they are doing a job that means they can decide to have 2pm off , sometimes 3pm, on their own whim.

Well three that i know have been to every home and away game they've wanted to get to.
 

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So change the rules as it’s sickening to watch, a)cheating and b)conning the ref to get an opponent booked or ref carded. Despicable
Were you equally as disgusted and outraged when Maupay was behaving the same when he was banging in 25+ goals for us?
 

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Were you equally as disgusted and outraged when Maupay was behaving the same when he was banging in 25+ goals for us?
How dare you, are you suggesting a Bees player would feign injury or look to get an opponent booked unfairly? When he played for us Neil was the victim of some awful targeting by oppo players 😂😀😂😂
 

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I disagree. An injury is an injury and shouldn't lead to 11 v 10 and then 11 v 9 and perhaps 11 v 8
The exception would be if the ref considered the player to be simulating. But it would take a brave and medically qualified one to do that and they ought in those circumstances booked the player they considered was feigning injury. If they get it wrong and the player was actually injured that’s pretty much the end of their reffing career so they have to treat all claimed injuries as bona fide to protect the safety of players generally.
 

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The exception would be if the ref considered the player to be simulating. But it would take a brave and medically qualified one to do that and they ought in those circumstances booked the player they considered was feigning injury. If they get it wrong and the player was actually injured that’s pretty much the end of their reffing career so they have to treat all claimed injuries as bona fide to protect the safety of players generally.

Exactly.
 

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Exactly.
The exception would be if the ref considered the player to be simulating. But it would take a brave and medically qualified one to do that and they ought in those circumstances booked the player they considered was feigning injury. If they get it wrong and the player was actually injured that’s pretty much the end of their reffing career so they have to treat all claimed injuries as bona fide to protect the safety of players generally.
When substitutes were first allowed, in the sixties, it was one per team, and a substitution was conditional on a player being injured. They weren’t allowed for tactical purposes, only injuries. It didn’t take long for the spirit of the law to be abused by teams replacing an ‘injured’ forward with a fresh defender when the opportunity or need arose. The law was soon amended, in order to allow tactical replacements.
 

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agree BUT we'd like to stay in the premiership for at least a couple of seasons and if we play like we did yesterday against the rest of this division we wont be.....dont like the booing but i dont like this everything is great narrative when its clearly not....weve lost 4 on the run and 2 against teams who will be our relegation rivals.....something isnt right and tf needs to find a way to win games whatever it takes......before we are bottom 3 at xmas......the honeymoon is defo over and some of our players/management need to realise that ;)
I never said everything is great.
It patently isn’t.
We’ve got loads of injuries, we’re knackered and we’ve got a thin squad.
Our xG was double their’s yesterday and our luck in front of goal has been atrocious for the last 4 home game.
We could (and should) have won all 4 so let’s all just keep it in perspective and support the team.
Your ‘something isn’t right’ is the next man’s ‘sack the manager’.
 

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I never said everything is great.
It patently isn’t.
We’ve got loads of injuries, we’re knackered and we’ve got a thin squad.
Our xG was double their’s yesterday and our luck in front of goal has been atrocious for the last 4 home game.
We could (and should) have won all 4 so let’s all just keep it in perspective and support the team.
Your ‘something isn’t right’ is the next man’s ‘sack the manager’.
We’ve been here before in TF’s sticky start to life as our manager. For the only ever time I joined in the boos and “sacked in the morning” at GP when 0-3 at HT home to Swansea. But then, as now, alongside the horrorshow errors and results the overall performances were much better and both were remedied over time. We’ve seen what he and the players can do at this level and we’ve seen the brutal impact of dropping off the levels even for short spells.
 

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You are saying the same thing essentially if it wasn't for those pesky opposition keepers we would be fine. At no point have I blamed our keeper for any of the goals and as for seeing "world class saves", I would expect to see "world class" skills in the Premier league. As to the Aston Villa approach, I'm at a loss what it has to do with them as my post doesn't reference them at all.
So conceding every shot on target in 4 games and hitting the post 6 times in the same games comes down to lack of ability and bad coaching. OK, whatever.
 

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I don't think we're the only team that plays like that, most teams in the PL play with a high intensity. Also, if that is the tactic then you have to prepare the players for that, it's no point running them into the ground so that they're so tired that we end up losing games anyway.
Absolutely, many play in a similar style but with large squads, or more accurately higher quality squads, not fringe players, and kids. However you cut it up the team are knackered, and clearly some are playing whilst not completely fit. all signs of high intensity football played with a small squad of genuine first team players. Some are clearly not as yet not quite up to the standard/level, and are playing with extra effort to compensate which is also mentally tiring. We are doing well currently, or just about well enough to be clear of relegation, but the task is to continue to garner points, but to do so we need some respite which some will get next week, we need to get some injured back playing, but above all we do require a few reinforcements, if funds are available.
 

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Personally I am not panicking, I am hating losing to teams that we are better than, and we have been better than most of them, but we have also been on 4-5 game losing streaks in the past and dealt with it.

We will finish mid table, I am sure of that. I am just a bit gutted at the moment with our awful run of bad luck with injuries and in front of goal as I thought with a fit squad finishing top 7-10 was well within our grasp.
 

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Much better second half. We deserved at least a draw from that. Hopefully Janelt and Rico were not injuries. Said it before but We are not getting the rub of the green. Norgaard could have had 4-5 more goals this season if the chances had been slightly away from the keeper.
Luck tends to even itself out over a season. We had our fair share to begin with and lately we've had none. The trick is for both players and supporters not to get too down hearted when fortune deserts you, things will turn. TF will be drumming this into his charges I'm sure.
 

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Not our best performance but still deserved at least 1 point minimum probably all 3. Not many great performances. Keeper did ok but maybe could have saved the first one. Quality cross from Ghoddos for Rico’s goal. We created plenty of chances but need to to bury them at this level. International break at a good time with all these injuries, and other cliches. Keep the faith.
 

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Luck tends to even itself out over a season. We had our fair share to begin with and lately we've had none. The trick is for both players and supporters not to get too down hearted when fortune deserts you, things will turn. TF will be drumming this into his charges I'm sure.
Good post. Is it a surprise how well West Ham are doing as they have been able to just about rely on the same 14 players every PL game? The amount of injuries and their severity (months not weeks ) would strain any small/medium size club. The usual suspects who have always disliked TF are over -reacting but most people I feel would be sympathetic towards him. As for pushing Goode up front on Saturday if we had equalised/won it would be hailed as a tactical masterstroke as it was it bombed. However I like the inventiveness and boldness of it.
 

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Luck tends to even itself out over a season. We had our fair share to begin with and lately we've had none. The trick is for both players and supporters not to get too down hearted when fortune deserts you, things will turn. TF will be drumming this into his charges I'm sure.
The bedwetters, kneejerkers & new fans are out already on Facebook/Twitter. Usually soon after they’ll be on here. “Frank & Toney (!) have been found out. Should be smashing teams like Norwich & Burnley etc.” etc. ❤️
 

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Slowing it down by taking ages over throw-ins and goal kicks will get you booked, but falling to the ground doesn't.
Except neither Krul nor Schmeichel, two of the worst time-wasters I've ever seen, got booked for it. Even when keepers do get booked, it tends to be in the 90th minute, when it's too damned late to make them speed up.

I felt like in the first couple of games in the PL this season referees had been told to wave play on a bit more and not give every perceived 'foul'. It was great. But now we're back to normal, and frankly it makes me want to throw dishwasher tablets onto the pitch.
 

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Stretcher them off straight away, no messing, and let back on after a minimum 10 minutes. That’ll learn ‘em.
Nice idea, but I feel that would lead to players hacking away at each other to get that 10min advantage of playing a diminished squad, not sure I want to watch 8v6 games.
And apparently the story line is that the Norwich player had a dislocated finger.
 

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Except neither Krul nor Schmeichel, two of the worst time-wasters I've ever seen, got booked for it. Even when keepers do get booked, it tends to be in the 90th minute, when it's too damned late to make them speed up.

I felt like in the first couple of games in the PL this season referees had been told to wave play on a bit more and not give every perceived 'foul'. It was great. But now we're back to normal, and frankly it makes me want to throw dishwasher tablets onto the pitch.
There appears to be no appetite from the authorities to eradicate this type of tactic. Could be resolved easily enough but until there is change we just have to get used to it. My guess is it will happen in more or less every game, its going to be a long season.
 

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There was both. To be fair, the Norwich fans were beneath the stand coming up to their seats and shut up straightaway when their own fans told them to. The Brentford guy was in the stands and was just one isolated idiot!
That was my thought on it too.
 

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Nice idea, but I feel that would lead to players hacking away at each other to get that 10min advantage of playing a diminished squad, not sure I want to watch 8v6 games.
And apparently the story line is that the Norwich player had a dislocated finger.
It was pretty clear he had a problem,but surely he should have immediately left the pitch for treatment.
Also stopping play for a player with cramp is not on in my opinion.
 

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It was pretty clear he had a problem,but surely he should have immediately left the pitch for treatment.
Also stopping play for a player with cramp is not on in my opinion.
That certainly used to be the case, however the game is now more concerned with player welfare (not surprising as they are assets worth tens of millions!)
 

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Should adopt same system as Rugby.
Clock stops immediately and starts once player is off pitch. I figure that with subs as well on Saturday there would have been about 15 minutes extra time instead of six.
That would just have created another 9 minutes of hoofing the ball in the general direction of Charlie Goode for us to endure
 

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We put out a strong team on Saturday. Not much variation from the one that played well against Chelsea & Leicester. Norwich doubled up on Canos & Henry when they tried to come forward and it left us a bit toothless. It only takes a few minor tweaks and we'll be smashing Newcastle in a few weeks.
 

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Bit bored of our fans slagging off the atmosphere and the way others support the team. Some of you need to accept that some games will be quieter then others.

Also we have gone from averaging 9-10k a week to now getting 15-16k. Not all these fans are going to be die hards and people/faces will be changing in and around you. Its a bun fight for members. We've seen new people next to us each week. Its not a ST seat so have to accept different styles of support will be sat there. I took two non Bees with me on the other two ST's we have, one used to have a ST but gave it up for work and the other one loved the experience and now wants to go to more games. They weren't partisan but got involved in their own way.

We are in the Prem, we need to accept there will be lots of random's who want to watch us now............... Hopefully they get the bug.

FWIW i dont think the sound at the BCS travels that well unless the majority are up for is. The West stand just to our right was lively all game. However everywhere else was quiet.

I've not heard a peep from away fans, but i doubt they have been quiet. Therefore it may sound quiet where you are when in fact there is actually a decent effort being made.

If we are focusing on the atmosphere instead of the **** player performance then we need our heads looking at.

Going a goal down that early against a very poor side will always kill an atmosphere.

Stop telling people how to support.
I thought the Norwich fans were the loudest we have had at BCS, maybe it is where you sit affecting perception of noise levels
 

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Out of interest, why didnt we have the usual play of Hey Jude before the match. They played just the chorus, and it wasnt esepcially loud. Previous matches they started from the verse, got the whole crowd going.......think that and the early goal was why the Atmpshere was flat......not to mention the Brentford flag back to front in the West Stand!
 

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I thought the Norwich fans were the loudest we have had at BCS, maybe it is where you sit affecting perception of noise levels
I agree- much louder and more continuously so even at 0-0 than any others as heard from south side of West stand.
 

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Out of interest, why didnt we have the usual play of Hey Jude before the match. They played just the chorus, and it wasnt esepcially loud. Previous matches they started from the verse, got the whole crowd going.......think that and the early goal was why the Atmpshere was flat......not to mention the Brentford flag back to front in the West Stand!
Because Sultan complained that it was creating a choreographed atmosphere and spoilt his day out :)
 
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