Bees Player Matchday Commentary - 2014/15

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I am sure that, in all the circumstances, not holding the Fun Day was the correct, and a wise, decision given the fiscal circumstances that you were so brilliantly managing at the time.

In the case of Bees Player a quite superb service, bespoke to Brentford and relevant to her current fiscal circumstances and her remote supporter base (which has signficant potential to be expanded) was replaced by appalling, incoherent rubbish which the Club, certainly by both its public utterances and individual responses, seeks to defend for the same payment from her loyal supporter base. Certainly the Club's CEO has told me that 'Of course we are sure that BBC London will do a good job'.

I am sure that, when you publicised the cancellation of the Fun Day, you did not apply the approach that, actually, it was for the benefit of the Supporters that you were going to cancel it.
Fair enough. I was making the point that in my experiences and not just at BFC it's the decisions that you regard as perhaps not that high up the 'importance scale' that come back to haunt you. What is very clear re Bees Player is that gratifyingly for Mark, Luis, Natalie and the gang there has been no suggestion that it is anything other than a decision based upon financial considerations. The budgets would have been completed and approved weeks ago so I can only conclude that the goalposts were moved after the budgets were done. I have absolutely no idea how much we're talking about here but clearly the Club must have thought that life would go on with Bees Player much as before and there was possibly a good faith miscommunication between the parties.

I am reminded of 'Hutber's Law which was defined by Patrick Hutber a City Editor at (I think) the Sunday Telegraph in the 70's. It basically states that 'Improvement Means Deterioration' and that whenever something is presented to consumers as a service improvement it's invariably taking something away from them.

A perfect and recent example is that although I have not lived in the the village for a long time my HSBC accounts have always been with HSBC (formerly Midland) Thames Ditton. I (and presumably a few thousand others) had a letter from HSBC saying that 'In order to improve our service we are closing Thames Ditton branch and your account will be transferred to Kingston effective........'


Anyway you get the picture. It's the same as when in the bad old days my secretary would ring though and say 'So and so is on the line and he must speak with you now. He says it's very important'. My response was always......'Ask him if it's important for me or him'.


So my heart always sinks initially whenever I see or hear of an 'improved service' initiative in any walk of life and wonder what's it's gonna cost me in lost temper.
 
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Fair enough. The budgets would have been completed and approved weeks ago so I can only conclude that the goalposts were moved after the budgets were done. I have absolutely no idea how much we're talking about here but clearly the Club must have thought that life would go on with Bees Player much as before and there was possibly a good faith miscommunication between the parties.
I am personally extremely grateful, as I always am, for your relevant words; I do agree that this is by far the most likely scenario and it would be nice to think that an equitable solution to this really rotten position, which is in absolutely no-one's interests, could be arrived at directly; one that helps the Club move forward, not backwards, which I believe is what everyone, absolutely everyone involved would want.
 

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Indeed. I know none of the men involved in this personally but by all accounts they are committed and talented lads who add value to the Brentford family, so hopefully this can be resolved to the benefit of all parties.
It's just a shame that Saturday's broadcast happened but as I am led to believe from elsewhere on this thread that Billy Reeves will be doing most other matches, that will at least improve things compared to Saturdays shambles.

I do hope a creative solution can be found though that allows Mark, Luis and the rest to continue.
 

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I am personally extremely grateful, as I always am, for your relevant words; I do agree that this is by far the most likely scenario and it would be nice to think that an equitable solution to this really rotten position, which is in absolutely no-one's interests, could be arrived at directly; one that helps the Club move forward, not backwards, which I believe is what everyone, absolutely everyone involved would want.
In order to improve my services to the GPG my invoices which were on a calendar month payment basis will in future require settlement in full within seven days failing which I shall take measures which will astound you.

I hope that all readers will enjoy the resulting improved service from abee.
 

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In order to improve my services to the GPG my invoices which were on a calendar month payment basis will in future require settlement in full within seven days failing which I shall take measures which will astound you.

I hope that all readers will enjoy the resulting improved service from abee.
:sorted: No worries; any invoices falling due pail into insignificance when viewed against the fact that we still have a Club. Outside of Bees Player I can remember when things weren't quite as rosy as they were at GP on Saturday.
 

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Indeed. I know none of the men involved in this personally but by all accounts they are committed and talented lads who add value to the Brentford family, so hopefully this can be resolved to the benefit of all parties.
It's just a shame that Saturday's broadcast happened but as I am led to believe from elsewhere on this thread that Billy Reeves will be doing most other matches, that will at least improve things compared to Saturdays shambles.

I do hope a creative solution can be found though that allows Mark, Luis and the rest to continue.
i dont think Billy Reeves is what we want. OK he says he is a Bees fan but one of his favourite quotes is ( what do i know about football ) also he spend lots of time telling what shades of pink or yellow the goalkeepers jersey is as well what music the club play at half time and do they make good tea. BRING BACK MARK AND LOUIS.
 

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No No, although Billy is a fan, we still won't get the great pre post match amble and they will still go off for other reports. We had a great service already. It's time for people to Man up and admit they screwed up. Reinstate the old service and bear the cost cos it's going to cost more continuing with this farce.
 

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My sub expired yesterday and because of a new debit card they can't automatically renew and I certainly shan't renew.
 

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I had more than my share of snafu’s with what I thought was fairly minor stuff at the time but which came back to bite me on the ass. Moving the dugouts was one and if I recall correctly I cancelled a Family Fun Day one year because the promised sponsor dropped out at short notice and I didn’t think it a proper use of the funds available to spend the £6k-£7k necessary to put on the Fun Day . That brought down on my head the wrath of some famous posters on here some of it genuine and some faux outrage but monies were really tight then and that was my decision. I did not change my mind regarding the Fun Day decision which I was satisfied was the correct one but I could certainly have made my case more efficiently and my PR was poor because I gravely underestimated how much it meant to a lot of supporters.
resolved then to try and up my game regarding communicating with supporters but with only mixed results.
Thank you for your reply abee. It is much appreciated, and I, for one, was very sorry to see yourself and David Heath no longer on the board of directors. I do worry therefore, that with that
situation, and the situation regarding BeesPlayer at the present moment, that we are entering a new phase off the field which is not conducive to the benefit of the supporters any more.
The BeesPlayer situation has alienated so many supporters, and I believe it will be in the interests of the club to show willing and retrace it's steps to the original format as soon as possible.
Thank you again for kindly answering my original question.
 

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Just cancelled my subscription. Can't stand Radio London in general, but especially their sports 'coverage'
 

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What the hell is going on at GP.Bees player is a disgrace, no power game which has been a tradition at Brentford since I was a nipper and the next to go will be Hey Jude and who knows will Peter Gilham be next on the hit list.
How are we allowing a qpr fan to call the shots?
Won't be long till we run out to super hoops.
WARNING this man carries a health warning.
Work it out for yourselves if you don't know who I am referring to.
You are a tool...
 

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By the perspective of all the sh*t going on in the world it really is a 'tiny mole-hill'. Sorry to be a miserable git about it but there really are more important things to worry about.

[Puts grumpy face on. Goes back to Camp Miserable]
Apologies if this offends Lokster but this kind of thing really annoys me. It is usually a view offered by someone who may feel a little superior to others. At the moment, I'm on holiday and yesterday it rained. That spoilt my day and children dying in the Palestine didnt really offer much perspective for me. Then my daughter fell off a bike and cried but once again, "children dying in Iraq" didnt make that graze any better. I am deeply saddened by the injustices in the world but if you take thst burden into all aspects of life, you may as well not venture out until a lasting world peace is achieved. I'd stock up on tins if I were you.

This is a little bit tongue in cheek admittedly so please dont bite too hard.
 

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For those of you who have cancelled your subscription, could you please advise if you are getting any refund?
As I pay monthly, no.

I am paid up until Aug 23rd and then no other money will be taken. Unsure what will happen if you have paid annually though...
 

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What the hell is going on at GP.Bees player is a disgrace, no power game which has been a tradition at Brentford since I was a nipper and the next to go will be Hey Jude and who knows will Peter Gilham be next on the hit list.
How are we allowing a qpr fan to call the shots?
Won't be long till we run out to super hoops.
WARNING this man carries a health warning.
Work it out for yourselves if you don't know who I am referring to.
Just one word.......... Idiot

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The service provided by the former Bees player people sustained and fortified the interest of displaced fans such as me. It was like we were a group watching and enjoying the match together.
I have been a Bees supporter for over 50 years and the one thread that has run throughout my time is you always felt involved as part of BFC. This decision, notwithstanding the money aspect, has served to alienate us.
Spot on Mayenne. I am so gutted by the changes and I don't mean that lightly. It was a real sense of community and it's loss will mark the end of a chapter of my relationship with BFC that I will fondly remember.

I always thought this was the best forty odd quid a year I spend and even as someone 'on a budget' I'd find a way to chip in if we could find a resolution.

The commentary and passion displayed by the commentators rekindled my love for the club. It got me back to GP as often as I could and got me taking others with me.

This is a real kick in the guts whatever the reason for it.

Cheers to Mark, Louis, et al for the evenings of entertainment you provided. I will miss that buzz I used to get at work in the afternoon knowing I'd be able to listen to MDL of an evening.

Seriously gutted.
 

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Thank you for your reply abee. It is much appreciated, and I, for one, was very sorry to see yourself and David Heath no longer on the board of directors. I do worry therefore, that with that
situation, and the situation regarding BeesPlayer at the present moment, that we are entering a new phase off the field which is not conducive to the benefit of the supporters any more.
The BeesPlayer situation has alienated so many supporters, and I believe it will be in the interests of the club to show willing and retrace it's steps to the original format as soon as possible.
Thank you again for kindly answering my original question.
It's quite usual for a Chair(man/person) to restructure their board with individuals who fit into their idea of a balanced board with skills across the spectrum. This applies to all businesses whether multi-national corporations or football clubs. I was surprised frankly to have survived for nearly a year after my loan was repaid and had no issues when asked to step down. I had myself proposed a slimmed down board a few years ago as I believed the structure to be top heavy but it didn't get far.

I can speak from first hand experience that the BFC board has always and will always have the interests of supporters as an immediate priority after the financial stability of the Club. Without supporters there is no Club. My original post was just to remind GPG regulars that whilst the current Bees Player situation looks as if it could have been avoided I had more than my share of similar situations.

I shall be very surprised if it's not sorted out sooner rather than later.
 

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It's quite usual for a Chair(man/person) to restructure their board with individuals who fit into their idea of a balanced board with skills across the spectrum. This applies to all businesses whether multi-national corporations or football clubs. I was surprised frankly to have survived for nearly a year after my loan was repaid and had no issues when asked to step down. I had myself proposed a slimmed down board a few years ago as I believed the structure to be top heavy but it didn't get far.

I can speak from first hand experience that the BFC board has always and will always have the interests of supporters as an immediate priority after the financial stability of the Club. Without supporters there is no Club. My original post was just to remind GPG regulars that whilst the current Bees Player situation looks as if it could have been avoided I had more than my share of similar situations.

I shall be very surprised if it's not sorted out sooner rather than later.
Thank you again abee for your insight. My postings on this situation re BeesPlayer are, hopefully, to make someone at Brentford realise just how important the proper reporting of matches by those with enthusiasm for the Bees is to us expats and others in Britain who cannot get to the games. The last thing I want to do is cause any harm to BFC. I dearly hope your last sentence becomes reality, and we can all relax again and look forward to brilliant commentaries. I accidentally cut myself just now and I am sure it was red AND WHITE blood that came out. :sorted:
 

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Having trawled through all of the posts on this thread, I'm still not sure what the problem was in keeping the Bees Player commentary service as it has been over the past few year, a reliable and much appreciated listen for all the real fans who can't get to all of the games. If it was really just about giving proper expenses to the team bringing the commentary when none had been asked for before, then the Club should be ashamed that they hadn't insisted on doing this already to recompense travelling expenses to the volunteers. To not have done so was an exploitation of the volunteers' generosity. If the volunteers are now making unacceptable demands then bring these details out into the open so a judgement can be made about the behaviours of all involved. We can not judge properly until this happens and it would stop the damaging tarnishing of the Club and the individuals involved.
I will listen to the "improved commentary" on tomorrow evening's game and will make up my mind about renewing my subscription (due in two weeks) then. In the meantime I hope the Club will put out comprehensive information about the facts involved or an announcement that our treasured service will be restored in house to avoid the current problems revealed by Saturday's broadcast.
 

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Having trawled through all of the posts on this thread, I'm still not sure what the problem was in keeping the Bees Player commentary service as it has been over the past few year, a reliable and much appreciated listen for all the real fans who can't get to all of the games. If it was really just about giving proper expenses to the team bringing the commentary when none had been asked for before, then the Club should be ashamed that they hadn't insisted on doing this already to recompense travelling expenses to the volunteers. To not have done so was an exploitation of the volunteers' generosity. If the volunteers are now making unacceptable demands then bring these details out into the open so a judgement can be made about the behaviours of all involved. We can not judge properly until this happens and it would stop the damaging tarnishing of the Club and the individuals involved.
I will listen to the "improved commentary" on tomorrow evening's game and will make up my mind about renewing my subscription (due in two weeks) then. In the meantime I hope the Club will put out comprehensive information about the facts involved or an announcement that our treasured service will be restored in house to avoid the current problems revealed by Saturday's broadcast.
I accept what you are pointing out, but, with respect, I don't think it would help to bring the problem out into the open re the behaviours of those involved, as I do believe it would cause animosity
that we don't need. What I would like to see, is a swift solution, especially as the club must by now know what we want, and what is important to us as supporters.
Hopefully this can be sorted out within days rather than weeks or months, and we can all get back to the most important thing of all - results on the playing pitch.
 
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1) Indeed it is. And the people 'paying' for the service are entitled to stop doing so. Which is what has already started to happen.

2) For those in exile, this is no 'tiny mole-hill'. :rolleyes:
 

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With the you tube channel and commentary on bbc London what's the point in bees player now anyway??
 

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As I pay monthly, no.

I am paid up until Aug 23rd and then no other money will be taken. Unsure what will happen if you have paid annually though...
Mine runs out in September, so as I was at the game Saturday, I will give it a go tonight and see what its like before I decide.
 

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Does anybody know if there will even be commentary for the Dagenham game tonight?? Nothing mentioned on the OS.
 

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Does anybody know if there will even be commentary for the Dagenham game tonight?? Nothing mentioned on the OS.
I think that the right approach, right now, is just to hang loose and have a read of abee's post 368 and 352 below.

I think there is a really good chance that the Club does understand the concerns of the Bees Player Community/Remote Fan Base and might recognise that, for several reasons, not least the number of signficant resource issues going on within the Club, that this issue might not have received the attention it perhaps ought to/ordinarily would have done.

And IMO it might be right to say that everyone involved recognises the need for a way forward that does that; takes the Club Forward and not Backwards.
 

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I think that the right approach, right now, is just to hang loose and have a read of abee's post 368 and 352 below.

I think there is a really good chance that the Club does understand the concerns of the Bees Player Community/Remote Fan Base and might recognise that, for several reasons, not least the number of signficant resource issues going on within the Club, that this issue might not have received the attention it perhaps ought to/ordinarily would have done.

And IMO it might be right to say that everyone involved recognises the need for a way forward that does that; takes the Club Forward and not Backwards.
Thanks but my question was if there was any commentary for the Dagenham game tonight or not?
 

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Thanks but my question was if there was any commentary for the Dagenham game tonight or not?
I am sure there will be; and IMO the Club does understand, I think, that it needs to be a quantum improvement over what was achieved on Saturday.
 

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I think that the right approach, right now, is just to hang loose and have a read of abee's post 368 and 352 below.

I think there is a really good chance that the Club does understand the concerns of the Bees Player Community/Remote Fan Base and might recognise that, for several reasons, not least the number of signficant resource issues going on within the Club, that this issue might not have received the attention it perhaps ought to/ordinarily would have done.

And IMO it might be right to say that everyone involved recognises the need for a way forward that does that; takes the Club Forward and not Backwards.
The danger with 'stay calm' is one often needs to strike when the iron is hot. Complaining in four weeks time may well be too late.
 

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The danger with 'stay calm' is one often needs to strike when the iron is hot. Complaining in four weeks time may well be too late.
You are right; but IMO 'we' have struck while the iron is hot and, from my recent experience, I do believe that, although this wasn't the case at first, for sure, the Club have now recgonised the issues involved and are looking to address them.

See what improvements are made this evening compared to Saturday and perhaps give them a brace or two of days; if not wang up them bellows.
 

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With the you tube channel and commentary on bbc London what's the point in bees player now anyway??
:wave: can't access BBC London over here, and the youtube coverage has been reduced from two, two-and-a-half minutes of highlights with poor commentary to one minute with no commentary :sad:
 

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No worries. Mine was too but we all take everything so seriously these days that we forgot that what doesn't matter a jot to us is quite important to other people.

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I think the way forward might be for the club to go it alone. Not sure of the logistics here, but we are in no doubt that we want Markybee et al back. It is also apparent that many subscribers would be happy to pay more for this to happen, as I would. An earlier post suggested that there were around 500 subscribers. If each subscriber paid £50 for the season, then that would produce a figure of £25,000.
Again an earlier post mentioned the figure of £125 in petrol food etc for an away game. This figure x 23 = £2875 in expenses. Times this by 2 and we get £5750. Give Mark and Luis £5000 each for expenses and the rest for their time and you are left with £15,000 for equipment and licenses and so on.
I appreciate that this may be an extremely simplistic view and there probably issues that I am not aware of. Nevertheless, Bees Player is a vital tool when we play away and the quality of its production should not be compromised.

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I think the way forward might be for the club to go it alone. Not sure of the logistics here, but we are in no doubt that we want Markybee et al back. It is also apparent that many subscribers would be happy to pay more for this to happen, as I would.
I really think this is the way this problem needs to be approached, getting angry and firing off emails to Devlin about how unhappy we are with this is the wrong way to go.
These people are obviously trying to run this club in the best interests of everyone. However maybe they haven't realised the weight of sentiment towards the quality of bees player over the past few years.

Sending emails with solutions (such as posted above) and letting the club know how important this service is to remote supporters will surely trump 'this is a sh*t decision' every time
 
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I was still fuming on Monday morning so emailed the club.
No reply so I phoned and was put through to a "Mark", Devlin I presume.
He did:
a) agree that Saturday's "service" was not good enough
b) there would be commentary for tonight's game
c) and that it would be an "improvement"
d) and that Billy would be doing it
e) and that Mark & Louis's leaving was "financial", but would not elaborate when pressed
My subscription expires on Thursday and I'm going to play it by ear (pun intended).
 

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I was still fuming on Monday morning so emailed the club.
No reply so I phoned and was put through to a "Mark", Devlin I presume.
He did:
a) agree that Saturday's "service" was not good enough
b) there would be commentary for tonight's game
c) and that it would be an "improvement"
d) and that Billy would be doing it
e) and that Mark & Louis's leaving was "financial", but would not elaborate when pressed
My subscription expires on Thursday and I'm going to play it by ear (pun intended).
I think it is possible it was 'Mark' Chapman, Rebus on the GPG.
 
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Bees Player is more than just match day commentary, its interviews with management and players too so for that reason i will carry on with it.

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I didn't renew my subscription today. I had the service for eight years but last Saturday's commentary was a big disappointment. Not informed enough, and I am not interested in going for an update at QPR. I can do that through the internet quite easily. It's a shame that the club is 'delighted' to team with bbc London. I wasn't delighted, just a disappointed customer. 'Commercial reasons' go over my head as a long term customer.
 
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I think it is possible it was 'Mark' Chapman, Rebus on the GPG.
Thanks Easter 1959.
Must say I was impressed that I wasn't fobbed-off and actually got to talk to someone, not so much with the (apparent) intransigence and lack of details that was forthcoming though.
For fans that can't make too many games these days this is an invaluable service and although I really would like to un-subscribe, and try and to afffect a reversal of the decision, I'm not sure I can cut off my nose to spite my face, so to speak.
A sad dilemma :-(
 

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