Bees United AGM 2018

[Banana]

First post in this forum since "Bees United AGM 2016"!

The Bees United Annual General Meeting will take place on Saturday 17 March 2018 at midday prior to our home league fixture against Middlesbrough. Once again, the venue for the AGM of the supporters' trust will be the Musical Museum, 399 High Street, Brentford, TW8 0DU.

Members may submit motions for the Trust Board to consider including on the agenda for the AGM. If you wish to do so then they must be received by 5.30pm on Wednesday 14 March 2018. Please submit such motions to myself, either by email to admin@beesunited.org.uk or in writing to the address at the foot of this notice.

Election of Bees United Board members

This year there are up to eight board positions to be filled. These include two positions arising via the retirement by rotation of Andre Sawyers and Greville Waterman, and one position arising following Stephen Walter’s decision to resign his position on the Board.

Nominations

These must be received no later than 2 March 2018. All members over the age of 18 are eligible for election. The application form can be downloaded on the Trust website along with the additional information

A copy of the Trusts’ Election Rules
A copy to Roles and Responsibilities of Brentford Football Community Society Ltd (“BU”) Board Members.
I would very much encourage you to stand for election. If you are considering standing then you may wish to talk with a current (or ex) Board member about what is involved. In the event that you do not know any members on the current Board or previous boards, then please get in touch with me and I will arrange for a Board member to contact you directly.

Donald Kerr
Secretary
Bees United the Supporters Trust
Registered Office: Brentford FC, Griffin Park, Braemar Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 0NT

 

[abee]

Can someone from the Bees United board who are regulars on the GPG.........(.King Bee, NLB, Owlsmoor Bee are certainly three) comment on the seemingly lapsed state of the Bees United website and tell us what happened to the intention to provide monthly news letters to all members effective from April 2018 (reference BU newsletter March 2018).

Does BU have a view on the current state of BFC ticketing and

1) if so has this been raised officially at BFC board meetings?

and

2) If not why not and if it has what is the view of the BFC board on the shambles?

Are these things ever discussed at the BU board meetings and if so why aren't we updated and if they aren't discussed then why not??

I say this in sorrow as a former supporter but I simply cannot see what purpose BU is serving now.

Many thanks.

 

[RodBee]

I say this in sorrow as a former supporter but I simply cannot see what purpose BU is serving now.

Many thanks.

I am extremely sad to see you consider yourself a 'former supporter'. We need you on board to sort out various mess ups such as the ticketing issues.

Also, of course, we need you as a supporter of over 60 years to remain with us.

 

[abee]

I am extremely sad to see you consider yourself a 'former supporter'. We need you on board to sort out various mess ups such as the ticketing issues.

Also, of course, we need you as a supporter of over 60 years to remain with us.

Sorry RodBee............I meant as a former supporter of Bees United not Bees the football club. My fault for the poor wording.

And its 71 years now anyway........

 

[HertfordBee]

The chairman will respond when he’s finished supping his wine in the boardroom.

That’s if it’s the same chairman as last time I heard anyway, it may have changed ... they wouldn’t bother to tell anyone.

 

[wanderer paul]

The chairman will respond when he’s finished supping his wine in the boardroom.

That’s if it’s the same chairman as last time I heard anyway, it may have changed ... they wouldn’t bother to tell anyone.

No chance. I don’t see what Mr Merritt offers anymore. I also don’t see what Mr Kerr offers. Gave up a while back with BU. Poor comms.

Why these two are directors of our football club I’ll never know or understand. If they’re there for the supporters then where are your comms and interaction with fans? Whether it be via the GPG, Facebook, a BU forum of 30 minutes explaining what BU does and what these two do on the board of directors.

What is the purpose and roll of Bees United?

The same can be said for BIAS too, although they don’t have a nominee, or two, supping at the top table and enjoying the boardroom pleasantries.

 

[abee]

No chance. I don’t see what Mr Merritt offers anymore. I also don’t see what Mr Kerr offers. Gave up a while back with BU. Poor comms.

Why these two are directors of our football club I’ll never know or understand. If they’re there for the supporters then where are your comms and interaction with fans? Whether it be via the GPG, Facebook, a BU forum of 30 minutes explaining what BU does and what these two do on the board of directors.

What is the purpose and roll of Bees United?

The same can be said for BIAS too, although they don’t have a nominee, or two, supping at the top table and enjoying the boardroom pleasantries.

Well it seems that we are never ever gonna get any response from the BU board members who regularly post on here although they are always up for letting us have their input to show that they are ITK from the odd snippets that are thrown their way to keep them tame.

I invite anyone to take a quick look at the BU Official Website and start with the 'available downloads' which are:

Newsletter dated August 2015
Latest BU accounts June 2016.........they can't even be bothered to update their own accounts
Latest BFC accounts........June 2014

Over in the latest news we have a newsletter for March 2018 which promises that there will be monthly newsletters sent to all members from then on until the stadium is completed.

Enough said.......Bees United is done now and it's simply a harmless social club of which being a big important director just something to put on cv's. Linkedin and social media.

 

[WarrenBee]

Well it seems that we are never ever gonna get any response from the BU board members who regularly post on here although they are always up for letting us have their input to show that they are ITK from the odd snippets that are thrown their way to keep them tame.

I invite anyone to take a quick look at the BU Official Website and start with the 'available downloads' which are:

Newsletter dated August 2015
Latest BU accounts June 2016.........they can't even be bothered to update their own accounts
Latest BFC accounts........June 2014

Over in the latest news we have a newsletter for March 2018 which promises that there will be monthly newsletters sent to all members from then on until the stadium is completed.

Enough said.......Bees United is done now and it's simply a harmless social club of which being a big important director just something to put on cv's. Linkedin and social media.

Nail on head abee (although I thought that they had ceased to exist years ago).

 

[HertfordBee]

I suspect they’re working very hard behind the scenes ... to try and ensure that one of the stands at Lionel Road is called the Kerr & Merritt stand!

 

[ruislip bee]

Well it seems that we are never ever gonna get any response from the BU board members who regularly post on here although they are always up for letting us have their input to show that they are ITK from the odd snippets that are thrown their way to keep them tame.

I invite anyone to take a quick look at the BU Official Website and start with the 'available downloads' which are:

Newsletter dated August 2015
Latest BU accounts June 2016.........they can't even be bothered to update their own accounts
Latest BFC accounts........June 2014

Over in the latest news we have a newsletter for March 2018 which promises that there will be monthly newsletters sent to all members from then on until the stadium is completed.

Enough said.......Bees United is done now and it's simply a harmless social club of which being a big important director just something to put on cv's. Linkedin and social media.

That's very true abee but they need audited accounts transparency and proper governance because from memory they were holding cash balances on deposit at bank and had loans to the club of circa 3/4 of a million pounds. Not checked for several years so might be changed now.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Well it seems that we are never ever gonna get any response from the BU board members who regularly post on here although they are always up for letting us have their input to show that they are ITK from the odd snippets that are thrown their way to keep them tame

I’ll address your other points separately abee but I take enormous exception to the first paragraph. I have always, without exception been prepared to engage with you on here regarding BU, even if that meant some uncomfortable moments conceding our shortcomings and accepting valid criticisms. I’m also not unaware that it has more often than not been me who’s opted to engage with you and others, simply because as a BU Board Member, I think it’s the correct thing to do.

On this occasion, I simply missed the thread because my priorities have been elsewhere, principally on four major surgeries in the past three months. Ideally, another BU Board Member would have responded but evidently they’ve not. I apologise that your posts have gone unanswered. They shouldn’t have. I am absolutely willing to converse with anyone, be they a BU member or not. Either via PM, phone or in person. If anyone is awaiting a reply to a thread such as this, they are always welcome to send me a private message to draw my attention to it.

All that aside though, if you or anyone else for that matter, thinks I joined the Board simply to benefit from a bit of inside info, especially in light of my previous willingness to engage, then frankly they can go and f*** themselves. And no, I care not one iota if that causes insult to anyone. If it has, the feeling is entirely mutual.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Now, on the subject of the other points you’ve raised:

The ticketing system is a farce. It is discussed at every Board Meeting and has been raised with BFC by us continually. Not least because the option to join BU disappeared from the website, thus removing the simplest joining method from the public domain. The time it has taken to address this and other ticketing issues is incredibly disappointing.

 

[rebus]

I do find it hard to fathom why the BU board needs so many people on it (ten?) post Benham takeover.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

On the subject of the newsletters, your assertion that there hasn’t been a newsletter since March is incorrect. There have been Newsletters in July, August and September with another due imminently. They are sent directly via email to our membership database and posted on both our Facebook page, and I believe our Twitter feed. I agree they should be posted on our website and believed this was happening. In addition, BU have taken on the role of providing official match reports and interviews with players, managers and also our blind supporters amongst others. I agree, not really within our traditional remit but it was considered a good way of promoting BU as an organisation. These are posted weekly on our Facebook page, within the Facebook fans’ groups and on our Twitter feed. Again, they should probably be on our website.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

On the subject of the BU Accounts, entirely down to me. I prepared them and made copies available at the last AGM and was convinced I’d asked our Website administrator to upload them onto the site at the same time we published the AGM details. Evidently I didn’t which is extremely embarrassing and I’ve tonight sent them to him to upload.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

As regards your point about BU Board Members not posting on the GPG, I’m in fierce agreement and have said exactly that on several occasions. IMO every board member should be registered on the GPG, their usernames known, and ready to reply to any BU related queries or perceived criticisms. The fact that others don’t share that view is of continual annoyance to me, not least because I find myself “carrying the can” which is extremely tiresome tbh.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

I do find it hard to fathom why the BU board needs so many people on it (ten?) post Benham takeover.

It doesn’t IMO. But the Constitution allows for it so it would require amendment. I also though don’t believe anyone wanting to join the Board should be discouraged from doing so but that is purely my personal opinion.

 

[Banana]

On the subject of the BU Accounts, entirely down to me. I prepared them and made copies available at the last AGM and was convinced I’d asked our Website administrator to upload them onto the site at the same time we published the AGM details. Evidently I didn’t which is extremely embarrassing and I’ve tonight sent them to him to upload.

I think last years are missing too....

but I agree with you that there are too many board members "hiding"

 

[BFC1997]

My issue with BU is that it’s only ever brought into conversation by Banana, rebus, abee or someone else that knows the inner-workings of Brentford FC.

And when they do, we end up talking about AGMs, accounts, newsletter frequency, website update frequency etc. which means little to 90% or more of our fanbase.

As a normal punter, do I need to share in any concerns raised above?

I might sound silly here but I have some questions:

- Does having two seats on the BFC board and one seat on the LR board actually give BU any significant power when it comes to big decisions?
- Does the ‘golden share’ hold any value in the short/medium term now that we’ve started to physically build the stadium?
- How is BU funded? Is it just membership fees?

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

My issue with BU is that it’s only ever brought into conversation by Banana, rebus, abee or someone else that knows the inner-workings of Brentford FC.

And when they do, we end up talking about AGMs, accounts, newsletter frequency, website update frequency etc. which means little to 90% or more of our fanbase.

As a normal punter, do I need to share in any concerns raised above?

I might sound silly here but I have some questions:

- Does having two seats on the BFC board and one seat on the LR board actually give BU any significant power when it comes to big decisions?
- Does the ‘golden share’ hold any value in the short/medium term now that we’ve started to physically build the stadium?
- How is BU funded? Is it just membership fees?

- I think it depends on what decisions you’re talking about. Ultimately Matthew is funding the club and we are entirely reliant upon him.
- The Golden Share is transferred from GP to LR upon completion so prevents any future sale of LR without our consent.
- BU is entirely funded by membership fees, standing orders and one off donations.

 

[BFC1997]

- I think it depends on what decisions you’re talking about. Ultimately Matthew is funding the club and we are entirely reliant upon him.
- The Golden Share is transferred from GP to LR upon completion so prevents any future sale of LR without our consent.
- BU is entirely funded by membership fees, standing orders and one off donations.

- So ultimately there’s no decision making power?
- So the value is only in the long term as we will be at LR for some years to come?
- So given the two above points doesn’t it make sense for BU to become ‘dormant’ and stop taking people’s money until the point that it has a role to play again?

I might be wide of the mark and skimming over important details but as a regular supporter I can only really comment on the bigger picture from a simplistic point of view. And BU doesn’t seem to be part of that bigger picture for the time being (from a simplistic POV).

 

[Banana]

- So given the two above points doesn’t it make sense for BU to become ‘dormant’ and stop taking people’s money until the point that it has a role to play again?

BU doesn't "take peoples money". It is sent to them via Standing Orders. Most of which I suspect have been stopped by now.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

- So ultimately there’s no decision making power?
- So the value is only in the long term as we will be at LR for some years to come?
- So given the two above points doesn’t it make sense for BU to become ‘dormant’ and stop taking people’s money until the point that it has a role to play again?

I might be wide of the mark and skimming over important details but as a regular supporter I can only really comment on the bigger picture from a simplistic point of view. And BU doesn’t seem to be part of that bigger picture for the time being (from a simplistic POV).

There’s no doubt that the significance of a Supporter’s Organisation is much more prevalent during times of crisis. We are as far from that as we’ve ever been. We are still there in an oversight / critical friend capacity and should anything occur which gave grave cause for concern then our presence on the board would obviously be a very good thing.

As Nana says though, we don’t take people’s money and actually I’d advocate free membership to swell our membership numbers. A Supporter’s Organisation’s clout is linked to the size of its membership IMO and there is a large piece in progress to detail BU’s history and raison d’etre as its entirely possible many of our new fans know very little about us.

 

[BFC1997]

There’s no doubt that the significance of a Supporter’s Organisation is much more prevalent during times of crisis. We are as far from that as we’ve ever been. We are still there in an oversight / critical friend capacity and should anything occur which gave grave cause for concern then our presence on the board would obviously be a very good thing.

As Nana says though, we don’t take people’s money and actually I’d advocate free membership to swell our membership numbers. A Supporter’s Organisation’s clout is linked to the size of its membership IMO and there is a large piece in progress to detail BU’s history and raison d’etre as its entirely possible many of our new fans know very little about us.

Ok, so if BU are not taking anyone’s money and have no prevelant role in the short-to-medium term I guess they are as good as dormant anyways?

Free membership is a very good idea to my mind because the concept of having a Supporters trust is good but asking for a membership fee at time when we are so far from a crisis (as you put it) seems silly.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Ok, so if BU are not taking anyone’s money and have no prevelant role in the short-to-medium term I guess they are as good as dormant anyways?

Free membership is a very good idea to my mind because the concept of having a Supporters trust is good but asking for a membership fee at time when we are so far from a crisis (as you put it) seems silly.

I think there will always be issues which we should as an organisation make representations at board level about. The ticketing website, or the club’s communications regarding LR for example. We are not very good (at all) at publicising what is discussed, although clearly some topics are confidential. And clearly, they are far less significant than the issues we faced in BU’s early days.

As regards the membership, I advocate an “opt out” rather than an “opt in” BU Membership for anyone purchasing Club Membership or a ST on a no fee basis.

 

[abee]

I’ll address your other points separately abee but I take enormous exception to the first paragraph. I have always, without exception been prepared to engage with you on here regarding BU, even if that meant some uncomfortable moments conceding our shortcomings and accepting valid criticisms. I’m also not unaware that it has more often than not been me who’s opted to engage with you and others, simply because as a BU Board Member, I think it’s the correct thing to do.

On this occasion, I simply missed the thread because my priorities have been elsewhere, principally on four major surgeries in the past three months.

Owlsmoor, I'm sorry to learn that you have had four major surgeries.....of course I am but it is not just this thread is it??

Have you seen this :-

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=130538

..............maybe not because of your health situation but at least two of your colleagues come on here, read negative posts about the incompetence and inefficiencies of Bees United and then move on to letting us have the benefit of their wisdom/ in the know (delete according to taste) stuff about the likely composition of the coaching staff or who will be sold in January.

It's not for you to be apologising for the shortcomings of your colleagues on the BU board and given that you have had your health problems then someone should have been asked to step in and do some non-sexy work, get the website sorted and stop polishing their egos.

Do none of the BU directors even bother to look at their own website?

The BFC ticketing debacle is a disgrace and it's heartening to now learn that BU has been raising questions but none of this has been communicated to the BU members and we still don't know if the BFC board just laughs this off as....... 'well boys will be boys and now let's get on to the serious stuff of who is gonna be enjoying the Arsenal boardroom and how many tickets do you all want?'............ or if the people who own this project have been hauled over the coals and are now working to deadlines.

As for the newsletters...........I've never had one and I asked on here if any other BU members had received the April - October newsletters. I had no response. In any event is it too much to ask that your colleagues on the BU board who do read the GPG could at least be assed to explain that some newsletters were sent out by email and that if any members hadn't seen/received them then to advise BU?? It's not that bloody hard is it??

Let me say Owlsmoor that I have always respected your willingness to engage on here and I have regularly acknowledged that. I have however zero respect for many of your colleagues on the BU board.........they don't deserve you and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I hope that your health is improving daily and that given your circumstances that you have been simply left to deal with this is appalling.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Owlsmoor, I'm sorry to learn that you have had four major surgeries.....of course I am but it is not just this thread is it??

Have you seen this :-

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=130538

..............maybe not because of your health situation but at least two of your colleagues come on here, read negative posts about the incompetence and inefficiencies of Bees United and then move on to letting us have the benefit of their wisdom/ in the know (delete according to taste) stuff about the likely composition of the coaching staff or who will be sold in January.

It's not for you to be apologising for the shortcomings of your colleagues on the BU board and given that you have had your health problems then someone should have been asked to step in and do some non-sexy work, get the website sorted and stop polishing their egos.

Do none of the BU directors even bother to look at their own website?

The BFC ticketing debacle is a disgrace and it's heartening to now learn that BU has been raising questions but none of this has been communicated to the BU members and we still don't know if the BFC board just laughs this off as....... 'well boys will be boys and now let's get on to the serious stuff of who is gonna be enjoying the Arsenal boardroom and how many tickets do you all want?'............ or if the people who own this project have been hauled over the coals and are now working to deadlines.

As for the newsletters...........I've never had one and I asked on here if any other BU members had received the April - October newsletters. I had no response. In any event is it too much to ask that your colleagues on the BU board who do read the GPG could at least be assed to explain that some newsletters were sent out by email and that if any members hadn't seen/received them then to advise BU?? It's not that bloody hard is it??

Let me say Owlsmoor that I have always respected your willingness to engage on here and I have regularly acknowledged that. I have however zero respect for many of your colleagues on the BU board.........they don't deserve you and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I hope that your health is improving daily and that given your circumstances that you have been simply left to deal with this is appalling.

Abee, as regards the LR Comms, that is also discussed at every BU Meeting and has been raised regularly. I’ve discussed it on here previously and have been happy to state that I would be astonished if anyone, be they on the BU or BFC Boards were happy with the level of communication from the club on such a major project. Ace and I have discussed directly and although I don’t want to say too much yet, BU have attempted to help by assisting with a marketing initiative for LR organised directly by fans.

I’ll arrange for copies of the previous Newsletters to be posted on here, together with subsequent issues. If you’re a BU member and not receiving copies, please message me with your email address and I’ll ensure you’re added to the recipient database.

 

[BFC1997]

I think there will always be issues which we should as an organisation make representations at board level about. The ticketing website, or the club’s communications regarding LR for example. We are not very good (at all) at publicising what is discussed, although clearly some topics are confidential. And clearly, they are far less significant than the issues we faced in BU’s early days.

As regards the membership, I advocate an “opt out” rather than an “opt in” BU Membership for anyone purchasing Club Membership or a ST on a no fee basis.

What specific benefit does board level representation hold? Could BIAS not just be lobbying the club on these issues given that they are so much less significant than those BU faced in the early days? (as you put it)
Re: membership - I think that's a pretty good idea. I guess it's something we might see happen in the near future?

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

What specific benefit does board level representation hold? Could BIAS not just be lobbying the club on these issues given that they are so much less significant than those BU faced in the early days? (as you put it)
Re: membership - I think that's a pretty good idea. I guess it's something we might see happen in the near future?

I think having supporter representation on the board of any football club is a huge benefit in itself. It promotes continuing good governance and affords us the opportunity to be made aware as early as possible of any significant issues with a potentially adverse consequence to BFC.

 

[abee]

A Supporter’s Organisation’s clout is linked to the size of its membership IMO and there is a large piece in progress to detail BU’s history and raison d’etre as its entirely possible many of our new fans know very little about us.

Owlsmoor, thank you again for the time that you have taken replying to various points.

I posted this some time ago on Ace's 'Where's the buzz' thread so at least someone is reading/listening.

Assuming that BFC has 'grown' what maybe <5k new supporters following promotion to the Championship then I wonder if any new supporters know anything about Bees United and the role that it has played in the past.

If the name came up casually and they looked at its website they'd have simply nothing to do with it and assume that it was a virtually defunct organisation.

 

[abee]

I would be astonished if anyone, be they on the BU or BFC Boards were happy with the level of communication from the club on such a major project..

Well presumably Cliff Crown is.

 

[abee]

Now, on the subject of the other points you’ve raised:

The ticketing system is a farce. It is discussed at every Board Meeting and has been raised with BFC by us continually. Not least because the option to join BU disappeared from the website, thus removing the simplest joining method from the public domain. The time it has taken to address this and other ticketing issues is incredibly disappointing.

Excellent so what exactly are the two BU reps on the BFC board doing about it??

It's long overdue that ownership of this is taken away from Kurt Pittmann and by extension Mark Devlin.

They are both clearly out of their depth.

 

[HertfordBee]

Unfortunate that Owlsmoor Bee has been unwell and best wishes for a speedy recovery... but it doesn't say much for a chairman who simply sits back and lets things drift when a colleague is struggling. I suspect if a BFC board member was in similar difficulties, Mr Merritt would be first on hand to offer assistance ... for fear of losing his own boardroom privaliges.

Also amusing to see that Donald Kerr has finally risen from his slumbers and posted a report on yesterday's game, stating "for those of us who went all the way up to Preston..." I assume he didn't pay to get in, of course!

 

[abee]

Now, on the subject of the other points you’ve raised:

The ticketing system is a farce. It is discussed at every Board Meeting and has been raised with BFC by us continually. Not least because the option to join BU disappeared from the website, thus removing the simplest joining method from the public domain. The time it has taken to address this and other ticketing issues is incredibly disappointing.

Owlsmoor, the ability/option to join Bees United through the BFC ticketing website that you mention is probably not the most important current issue surrounding this mess but that being the case you may wish to amend the wording on the BU website which invites potential members to do so via a link to BFC. I haven't been able to follow through on the link as when I click to see where it takes me I get a 'Severe Warning' and my browser (Chrome) refuses to allow me to complete the link as they claim the link is unsafe and can give access to my important data i.e. passwords etc. being exposed.

http://www.beesunited.org.uk/join-bees-united

Anyway it's something that you may wish to add to your ever expanding list of stuff to ask your BU colleagues to maybe lend a hand with..........and good luck with that!!!

I was interested from your post that BU considers the BFC ticketing website to be a farce.........my own view is that if the BFC board (including the two BU reps) paid any attention at all to what is going on at the grass roots and the way that supporters were being treated without any communication or explanation then maybe something would be done. If Cliff Crown, his board and Mark Devlin had to get their own away tickets through the website it would have been fixed months ago........presumably by immediately removing ownership of this project from Kurt Pittman as to say the least 'project management, communications and staff management' are clearly not included in his skills/strengths.:very angry:

Then again my personal approach/attitude to hands on executive problem solving over the years includes my current deeply held view that if Theresa May's Cabinet had to get to work every day by public transport instead of their chauffeur driven limousines the issues on the railways would have been sorted quite a while back.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Owlsmoor, the ability/option to join Bees United through the BFC ticketing website that you mention is probably not the most important current issue surrounding this mess but that being the case you may wish to amend the wording on the BU website which invites potential members to do so via a link to BFC. I haven't been able to follow through on the link as when I click to see where it takes me I get a 'Severe Warning' and my browser (Chrome) refuses to allow me to complete the link as they claim the link is unsafe and can give access to my important data i.e. passwords etc. being exposed.

http://www.beesunited.org.uk/join-bees-united

Anyway it's something that you may wish to add to your ever expanding list of stuff to ask your BU colleagues to maybe lend a hand with..........and good luck with that!!!

I was interested from your post that BU considers the BFC ticketing website to be a farce.........my own view is that if the BFC board (including the two BU reps) paid any attention at all to what is going on at the grass roots and the way that supporters were being treated without any communication or explanation then maybe something would be done. If Cliff Crown, his board and Mark Devlin had to get their own away tickets through the website it would have been fixed months ago........presumably by immediately removing ownership of this project from Kurt Pittman as to say the least 'project management, communications and staff management' are clearly not included in his skills/strengths.:very angry:

Then again my personal approach/attitude to hands on executive problem solving over the years includes my current deeply held view that if Theresa May's Cabinet had to get to work every day by public transport instead of their chauffeur driven limousines the issues on the railways would have been sorted quite a while back.

Abee, thanks. I've retraced the link, which has obviously been moved and have now sent an amended link to our website administrator to replace the existing defunct one.

Join Bees United here

 

[BFC1997]

presumably by immediately removing ownership of this project from Kurt Pittman as to say the least 'project management, communications and staff management' are clearly not included in his skills/strengths..

I thought Kurt was the marketing director? Why is he managing the project to replace this ticketing system? Is that not a big waste of his time?

 

[rebus]

I thought Kurt was the marketing director? Why is he managing the project to replace this ticketing system? Is that not a big waste of his time?

Becuase he is in charge of ticketing as well.

 

[Banana]

I thought Kurt was the marketing director? Why is he managing the project to replace this ticketing system? Is that not a big waste of his time?

Because of words like this “I can’t be expected to improve season ticket sales if I can’t have control of ticketing as well”.

Substitute “ticketing” for any other department and it’ll be an equally invalid point.

Ticketing is operations in my book.

 

[ruislip bee]

Because of words like this “I can’t be expected to improve season ticket sales if I can’t have control of ticketing as well”.

Substitute “ticketing” for any other department and it’ll be an equally invalid point.

Ticketing is operations in my book.

Surely so.

 

[BFC1997]

Becuase he is in charge of ticketing as well.

Yeah but why

 

[BFC1997]

Because of words like this “I can’t be expected to improve season ticket sales if I can’t have control of ticketing as well”.

Substitute “ticketing” for any other department and it’ll be an equally invalid point.

Ticketing is operations in my book.

That is ridiculous logic.

 

[Banana]

That is ridiculous logic.

Maybe. But it gets one more control and big-look at-me title

 

[abee]

Becuase he is in charge of ticketing as well.

...........and don't forget 'Insight'........I seem to recall that somewhere he described himself as 'Director of Marketing and Insight'...........and no I don't have the faintest idea what that is in relation to BFC either.