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That was, erm....interesting. We kept giving the ball away, which quickly led to a drop in confidence, which led to giving the ball away more etc. The international break soon may be coming at a good point....so a refresh in legs and mind can be achieved.

No complaints at the result, when they equalised I said 'fair enough, can't say anything else'. A bizarrely poor performance though, one that was on par with our average League One days, which is unexpected given that we've been good recently and only lost to a well organised Hudders side previously. I would say 'maybe an off day' but an off day isn't as big a drop as that in ability, performance and confidence as that unfortunately. I don't think here will be a great place to read over the next couple of days, hopefully they can identify what went wrong here and work on it before Burton, and it will just be seen as that dark game we don't like to think about often. Sigh...
 

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Just got home to Lyme after leaving at home 2pm. Nigh on 12 hours of my life wasted watching that spineless drivel. Diverted off the M4 through bloody Reading. Summed up the night really.

Collectively, we were awful. Struggling to think of any player comes out of that mess with their head held high. Our passing was dreadful all night. Why the long ball to our midgets up front? Gave away possession so often it was criminal.

Fair play to Wolves. They wanted the three points more than we did and deserved the victory. I'm only surprised they didn't win by more.
 

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Desire. They had it, we didn't. They needed the points more & went out & got them despite being unluckily losing at H/T.
Someone commented that they'd counted our 1st half passes - & got as far as 3 in a row...
It's that time of year when the pressure of bad performances at home gets released by a good awayday. Wolves best players got their act together on the night.
I suspect we've benefitted similarly on the road recently. Subconsciously we feel we've achieved safety, and that few % drop in performance is enough to lose in this league.
The team that finished the game last night was very light in Championship experience - Dean & A N Other?
 

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Just got home to Lyme after leaving at home 2pm. Nigh on 12 hours of my life wasted watching that spineless drivel. Diverted off the M4 through bloody Reading. Summed up the night really.

Collectively, we were awful. Struggling to think of any player comes out of that mess with their head held high. Our passing was dreadful all night. Why the long ball to our midgets up front? Gave away possession so often it was criminal.

Fair play to Wolves. They wanted the three points more than we did and deserved the victory. I'm only surprised they didn't win by more.
Oi - at least you were only passing through......I have to live there!!!!
 

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The best way I can sum up the sluggishness and frequency of basic errors from almost every player was it looked like one of those games where a club has had a bug go through the squad and is forced to play the XI that are throwing up the least come kick off.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case but that was the level of performance from all but maybe Dean, Egan and Colin
 

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Just got home to Lyme after leaving at home 2pm. Nigh on 12 hours of my life wasted watching that spineless drivel. Diverted off the M4 through bloody Reading. Summed up the night really.

Collectively, we were awful. Struggling to think of any player comes out of that mess with their head held high. Our passing was dreadful all night. Why the long ball to our midgets up front? Gave away possession so often it was criminal.

Fair play to Wolves. They wanted the three points more than we did and deserved the victory. I'm only surprised they didn't win by more.
Fair play to you but maybe you should have gone straight to bed instead of a GPG session? ;)
 

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Nico and Woods are knackered and need a rest, whilst the likes of Jota, KK, Canos, FJ, RH haven't played all that much football and therefore aren't sharp enough for two games a week either. On top of that a very fit Huddersfield team gave us a real workout on Saturday, so I'm not surprised we looked so sluggish last night. it didn't make it any easier to watch though, I bloody hate losing to Wolves.
 

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One step forward two back, just when you think we have turned the corner bang. For my liking this happens too many times, I wonder sometimes that something isn't quite right.
 

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One step forward two back, just when you think we have turned the corner bang. For my liking this happens too many times, I wonder sometimes that something isn't quite right.
Two steps forward, one back.........
 

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I think both managers summed it up, Smith said worst performance since he has been here and that they had more desire, Lambert said it was just a matter of time before they scored. Both statements hit the nail on the head. Maybe it was because they had more to play for, as shown by a similar result down the road at Fulham, but these are more or less the same players that have been performing really well lately. I guess we are just inconsistent, hence our position in the table. With the exception of the defence no one came out of this with any credit, just hope those same players can turn it around for Saturday.
 

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Just got home to Lyme after leaving at home 2pm. Nigh on 12 hours of my life wasted watching that spineless drivel. Diverted off the M4 through bloody Reading. Summed up the night really.

Collectively, we were awful. Struggling to think of any player comes out of that mess with their head held high. Our passing was dreadful all night. Why the long ball to our midgets up front? Gave away possession so often it was criminal.

Fair play to Wolves. They wanted the three points more than we did and deserved the victory. I'm only surprised they didn't win by more.
Fair play to you! Living in Bridport I know how long that journey can be after a defeat.Let alone a defeat of that nature AND a bloody diversion thru Reading!
Thank God I swerved this one as it was bad enough listening on Bees player let alone witnessing such an appalling display. Totally unacceptable from all concerned!
 

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Can't complain about the result, they fully deserved the win and 3 points, we were awful from start to finish in every department, and that display was probably one of the worst performances by us Iv'e seen in many years, we put nothing into the game and got the result we fully deserved, we have now got to pick up the pieces, make a few changes and go again, because 3 points against Burton is now a MUST.
 

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I must have been watching something different.
I thought you were talking generally - we've shown more positive improvements than negative in the last 3 months, last night though was a set back.
 

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This time last week, the team were being called by some as the "best ever" ... 7 days later they are sh*t ? .. yes it was not good last night, but its done now .. move onto Saturday ... also some of the comments on the clubs social media last night are damn right embarrassing .. for some to say on another thread they were glad they "stayed at home" what kind of support is that??
 

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It does happen too often. The manager will say the same thing. 'We must put this right'. Its put right for a couple of games and then we get another load of rubbish. Been happening all season.
Just like Liverpool. Good against the top teams and poor against teams that are fighting for points.
We will never reach the Premiership with such inconsistency.
 

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Very one sided they thoroughly deserved it....out played and out battled us....our midfield was very poor but they'd run out of gas on 80 mins....some extremely poor performances from Ryan nico Henry.....very poor all round and then subs didn't help much either......we still need a few wins
 

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I thought you were talking generally - we've shown more positive improvements than negative in the last 3 months, last night though was a set back.
Yep. The heavy schedule has obviously taken it's toll on the players but last night's performance was pretty alarming.

That said, we shouldn't forgot how much better we've looked generallly in the last month or so than we did in December and January.

If we can put things right with wins against Burton and Bristol City things will be forgotten soon enough. That's a big IF though as both will be desperate for points.

We were fortunate with last season's good run that we were playing teams with mostly nothing to play for. With games against Burton, Bristol City, Leeds, Fulham, Blackburn it's not the same this time round. Those teams will be desperate for points and we have to find a way to match their desire otherwise the rest of the season will be a slog.
 

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It does happen too often. The manager will say the same thing. 'We must put this right'. Its put right for a couple of games and then we get another load of rubbish. Been happening all season.
Just like Liverpool. Good against the top teams and poor against teams that are fighting for points.
We will never reach the Premiership with such inconsistency.
The inconsistency is because of the squad we have. The squad we have is because we are a very small fish in a very big pond. It hasn't been called the Premiership for years either.
 

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The club's timing in sending out the 'matchday experience' email after the game wasn't great. I don't want a matchday experience. I just want to watch decent football. Last night failed bizarrely on that count.
 

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From last Tuesday to this, I'm completely lost, we're a young and small side, are we knackered or is it a case of stopping us playing out from the back and we have no clue as to what to do, lumping long balls up to Vibe is a no no but Wells and Dicko have shown that they can make defenders work to head them and their teams can win 2nd balls off them but that's not in Vibe's armoury. The midfield were totally dominated and won very little, it was the most one-sided 1-0 game at HT I can remember and had Canos squared that "easy" ball then maybe we're 2 up and we win despite being useless, we're all happy and the table looks rosy, however the right result happens and the night feels like a big backward step.
Harlee good, Egan too, Colin at least looked like he might make something happen, Bentley punched a few away under pressure, the rest were dismal.
 

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Very similar the Wigan away display in my opinion, bar Egan, Harlee and Bentley every one was well off their game.

Wolves took control from about 5 minutes into the game and we couldn't wrestle any sort of control back. For a side that prides itself on ball retention we were unable to string any passes together with Nico the worst offender. Henry was losing his battle, particularly in the 2nd half and should have been replaced by Field. Hofmann should have replaced Vibe to see if he could hold the ball up.
 

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Just been watching BBC South Today 830am News. They have a young lady weather presenter with the fantastic name of Bee Tucker.
The presenter of the show says "Now the local weather with Bee Tucker" The camera pans to just a weather map,the show presenter says " sorry we don't have Bee Tucker at the moment but I can read the weather report".

To have Bees not turn up twice within 12 hours is a bit hard to take :)
 

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Yep. The heavy schedule has obviously taken it's toll on the players but last night's performance was pretty alarming.

That said, we shouldn't forgot how much better we've looked generallly in the last month or so than we did in December and January.

If we can put things right with wins against Burton and Bristol City things will be forgotten soon enough. That's a big IF though as both will be desperate for points.

We were fortunate with last season's good run that we were playing teams with mostly nothing to play for. With games against Burton, Bristol City, Leeds, Fulham, Blackburn it's not the same this time round. Those teams will be desperate for points and we have to find a way to match their desire otherwise the rest of the season will be a slog.
Yes, my son and I commented on this. When you look at the teams we have to play, it would look relatively easy until you consider the situation each team is in.
 

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We need the players to get off the beach and playing for the remaining points this season.

Disappointing effort from some players, shirking tackles and not committing.

One thing struck me last night - We had Nico and Rico - they had Dicko and the ref was a massive pricko
 

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It was a hideous performance, excruciatingly bad, and almost to a man. Right from about the 5th minute you sensed we were sluggish and struggling to get going but we never did. Even a well worked goal after our only passage of quality play in the whole game failed to spur us on.

Rarely have I known us look so weak in midfield, we won barely any first ball and I'm struggling to think of a single second ball won. Woods and Nico were immobile, sitting far too deep and leaving our front players totally isolated and easy meat for the Wolves defense. Jota was lethargic, Canos not much better and Lasse was meek, starved of service but making it far too easy for their centre halves.

Defensively we did ok, Egan getting to grips with Dicko after a poor 10 minute spell where he got himself booked and took a chance with a handful of shirt when he was turned again minutes later. However, both he and Rico spent too much time panicking in possession, heading, kicking and in Rico's case, throwing the ball to the opposition time after time. Cultural it was not.

Of the few positives to take away, Harlee was imperious, possibly the only outfield player who could be totally satisfied with his performance, whilst a few dubious passes aside, Bentley looked assured and between the two of them managed to keep the score line to just a 2 - 1 thrashing.

So onto Burton. I can't believe we could be anything approaching that bad again but we've been reminded of our limited options, especially in midfield and up top.
 

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Worst performance since Oxford at home in the league cup - we were that bad. I was saying to those around me at 83 minutes that if we hang on for a win, they don't really merit a clap. Best forget about it and hope it is a one-off.
 

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Very similar the Wigan away display in my opinion, bar Egan, Harlee and Bentley every one was well off their game.

Wolves took control from about 5 minutes into the game and we couldn't wrestle any sort of control back. For a side that prides itself on ball retention we were unable to string any passes together with Nico the worst offender. Henry was losing his battle, particularly in the 2nd half and should have been replaced by Field. Hofmann should have replaced Vibe to see if he could hold the ball up.
Very true, we still don't like it up us, many times we combat that and our play will change the tempo of the game and put the more physical sides on the back foot, other times we melt.
 

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Wolves came with a strategy to press high, out of possession marking up our centre backs plus with Edwards sitting on Woods, and really they were the only team in it. Even when Colin drifted across to the left wing and received a quick ball from Kerschbaumber to put us one up, you never felt we were in any control of the game and eventually we melted away under the pressure. They wanted (and needed) to win it and we stumbled and lacked any sort of response to their game.

You can argue about 'tired players' but Wolves played on Saturday, too; they had players who are more powerful than ours, rotated them and used that power to dominate and expose all our weaknesses, to which we had no response.

We're without two players that I believe would be shoo-ins to our midfield if fit, McEachran and Macleod; the addition of a defensive holding player would make us able to withstand the press that Huddersfield and Wolves put on us, along with a number of other teams that have stopped us playing. On the basis that we've recruited the wide attacking players to play 4-3-3, we're back to the old need for that elusive player that only Diagouraga filled with limited success (and a striker or two).
 

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A collectively awful performance.

Usually you get a few bad ones, but to have 8/9 shockers in one game is pretty unheard of.

Bentley kept the score down but makes rash distribution decisions. Dean and Egan blocked and headed, but thought Egan was determined to get a red card at one stage. Henry and Colin want to do the nice stuff going forwards, but neither are championship defenders.

Midfield totally overrun. Jota knackered. Canos quiet. Vibe a myth as usual. Flo is doing nothing of late to suggest he's worth a deal. The decision not to bring a forward in during Jan looks an increasingly poor one.

Major overhaul needed in the summer for me. Upgrades on Nico, KK, Sawyers, Vibe, Hoff, Alan Mac required. These players have had long enough to make a mark. They've had long enough to find consistency.

Late goals against. Leeds. Sheffield Weds home and away, Forest, Wolves. We don't play for 90mins.

If we're mentally on the beach I fear that it will put Smith in thin ice come May. He can't afford a poor end to the campaign.
 

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Hofmann should have replaced Vibe to see if he could hold the ball up.
I know the Hoff is a contentious issue, but I totally agree. For what it's worth, I can see potential in him. The three main strikers we've had for the last three seasons, have all been very different: Hogan was a typical selfish out and out goalscorer and was very good at being that, Gray was a beast that defenders must have hated playing against and Vibe is somewhere in the middle. Last night, nothing that came Vibe's way, stuck (it rarely does). That's not a criticism, he's never going to win a physical battle like last night and I'm not sure Hogan would have done a lot better. I'm pretty certain Gray would have, though, and that brings me to my point. Hofmann is a handful; he can hold the ball and from what I've seen in his recent cameos, he's learned how to use his considerable bulk. He'd have given their physical defenders something to think about. OK, he doesn't have pace, but does he need to have, if he can bring our runners into the game, instead of the ball just bouncing off, back to the opposition, like it does with Vibe.
 

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It would be nice if the club could ditch their after game email and instead send me one in advance of a Tuesday night game if at least half the team are not going to bother to turn up. Then, I can avoid the 75 mile journey home with 3 diversions arriving home 3 hours after the end of the game, now that would be real customer service,
 

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We were really poor last night. As bad a home performance as I can remember in the championship, Unable to take the game to a Wolves side suffering from low confidence. Unable to pass the ball to each other. Unable to move into space. We lost pretty well every 50/50 across the pitch. Bentley was fine, CBs cleared an awful lot of balls and Colin took his goal well. Can't remember any other positives

Decision not to bring on a striker cost us. We couldn't hold the ball. Sawyers should have come on at HT as the ball at least stuck to him a bit (pedants will point out we lost the lead with him on the pitch, the two were not related). KK ran about a bit I suppose but his rush and run game didnt help us retain possession, particularly with the others around him playing so poorly

Wolves put a lot of pressure on us and kept the ball in play an awful lot. We lost aerial balls but didnt have the ability to bring the ball down and play round them. When we were under the cosh late on we didnt put enough pressure on their defence who are not very good at playing the ball out. At the same time they put pressure on us and we creaked and cracked.

For all the brilliance of the Forest win this was a real reality check. Two teams in quick succession have played a high pressure game and we've not been able to cope particularly well. Having ANYONE on the pitch who could hold a ball would have helped yesterday (Woods sometimes does this, he didnt have a very good game). Hoff was worth a try. And if Smith doesnt rate him then why is he on the bench at all.

Low point of the game from my point of view was a brilliant throw from Bentley which released Clarke one on one and effectively goal side with players breaking to his left. End result was him running the ball straight out for a goal kick
 

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A collectively awful performance.

Usually you get a few bad ones, but to have 8/9 shockers in one game is pretty unheard of.

Bentley kept the score down but makes rash distribution decisions. Dean and Egan blocked and headed, but thought Egan was determined to get a red card at one stage. Henry and Colin want to do the nice stuff going forwards, but neither are championship defenders.

Midfield totally overrun. Jota knackered. Canos quiet. Vibe a myth as usual. Flo is doing nothing of late to suggest he's worth a deal. The decision not to bring a forward in during Jan looks an increasingly poor one.

Major overhaul needed in the summer for me. Upgrades on Nico, KK, Sawyers, Vibe, Hoff, Alan Mac required. These players have had long enough to make a mark. They've had long enough to find consistency.

Late goals against. Leeds. Sheffield Weds home and away, Forest, Wolves. We don't play for 90mins.

If we're mentally on the beach I fear that it will put Smith in thin ice come May. He can't afford a poor end to the campaign.
I thought FloJo was OK actually when he came on. Retained the ball a bit better, won a couple of free kicks in dangerous areas. Not outstanding but better than most
 

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Could be worse I guess. At least last night didn't actually matter for us particularly in the grand scheme of this season - ie we're not in a relegation scrap like they are.
 

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I know the Hoff is a contentious issue, but I totally agree. For what it's worth, I can see potential in him. The three main strikers we've had for the last three seasons, have all been very different: Hogan was a typical selfish out and out goalscorer and was very good at being that, Gray was a beast that defenders must have hated playing against and Vibe is somewhere in the middle. Last night, nothing that came Vibe's way, stuck (it rarely does). That's not a criticism, he's never going to win a physical battle like last night and I'm not sure Hogan would have done a lot better. I'm pretty certain Gray would have, though, and that brings me to my point. Hofmann is a handful; he can hold the ball and from what I've seen in his recent cameos, he's learned how to use his considerable bulk. He'd have given their physical defenders something to think about. OK, he doesn't have pace, but does he need to have, if he can bring our runners into the game, instead of the ball just bouncing off, back to the opposition, like it does with Vibe.
What he said. Couldn't believe that Hoff wasn't on shortly after half time (I do rate Vibe but we were being outmuscled all over the park except Dean and Egan). We desperately needed someone to act as an out ball.
 

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Wow, that was poor and in complete contrast to recent performances.

I am worried about our all too frequent collapses late in games. I know Wolves should have been out of sight much earlier but you shouldn't lose a game having been in front after 86 minutes no matter how badly you're playing. This comes on top of late goals conceded against Reading, Rotherham and Forest and if Sheffield Wednesday had scored 10 minutes earlier, we'd have lost that one.

Is it down to a shortage of fitness or a young side's lack of mental strength?

* Apologies tô Bridge Bee. Just seen you've already made virtually the same points.
 
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We have conceded 20 goals in the last 15 minutes of our games this season. That is something our analysts should be looking at. Only Rotherham have a worse record.
 

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