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Was the performance better or worse than Wigan away?

Am I going to regret buying a ticket for Burton now?
Didn't go to Wigan so can't comment. As to Burton, they don't seem to be too bad at home, think we're in for a tough match. Seems as though at least 1300 of us Bees will be there. Thats a lot of fans for the team to disappoint! Remember when we took 3k to Colchester after we got promoted, and had nothing to play for? Just saying, like... .
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
I used to play against you then. Dukes Meadows? We were West Midd.
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
DS should take this on board in the lead up to this weekends game I reckon...
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
I assume this was supposed to be accompanied by a fishing rod? As the comments on the thread suggest its one thing to turn out for the side and totally different to turn up
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
I know right. It's these bloody professional sportsmen. What I can't understand is how I used to be able to spend 2 or 3 hours throwing a tennis ball against the wall in my back garden without a break, yet that useless James Anderson needs a break every 6 or 7 overs when he's bowling for the England cricket team. Then he has the nerve to stop for lunch too! Just ridiculous. Anderson out. Benham out.
 

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That was so bad I was just wundrin when we were last that bad in a home league match. Being comprehensively outplayed for about 80 mins of the game. I've been watching since 1961 and I'm struggling to think of a parallel at home. Any offers? Still in shock over it.:mad:
 

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That was so bad I was just wundrin when we were last that bad in a home league match. Being comprehensively outplayed for about 80 mins of the game. I've been watching since 1961 and I'm struggling to think of a parallel at home. Any offers? Still in shock over it.:mad:
I take it you missed the Rosenior reign then. Losing 4 nil at home to Crewe and 4 nil at home to Doncaster within a fortnight probably just about trumps Tuesday night for me.
 

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Actually how many games has he played as most of the season he has been injured, gets a run out for 60 mins today in the B team but will be so far off being match sharp that he could be more of a hindrance than a help.

You accuse Snith of not having the balls to play him with absolutely no substance to such an accusation beyond the odd rumour on here when he has not been included. To my mind it seems more likely that Mac has struggled to shrug off the various niggles that have occurred in recent months. Also I am not sure what world you live in but in the very cut throats world of football where defeats can lead to the sack just what logic would there be in not having him at least on the bench if he were fit enough, Smith has been around long enough to want to put his best team out but will follow the advice of the medical staff

You were disappointed last night as were most fans but please if criticising do so logically and using facts
I have the same rights as your so important self to make my comments. I don't always agree with yours, but don't have the desire to be so rude. If you don't like my comments, choose "ignore"!
 

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I have the same rights as your so important self to make my comments. I don't always agree with yours, but don't have the desire to be so rude. If you don't like my comments, choose "ignore"!
Not my intention to be rude so my apologies for that. Just frustrated that when we lose this place goes into overdrive and assertions are made that can't be substantiated to support various posts
 

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I take it you missed the Rosenior reign then. Losing 4 nil at home to Crewe and 4 nil at home to Doncaster within a fortnight probably just about trumps Tuesday night for me.
And 4.0 at home to millwall the same season was it? (could have been butchers shameful reign) they were below us and bottom and hadn't registered a win in about 17 games or something and we scored a comedy OG after 15 seconds. They overtook us and we were history.

Tuesday night was dobbins but to be fair we did try to play a bit we were just bullied, we didn't lay down and die and the def fought like demons but tactically we were a shambles.

I doubt this makes the top 50 in my list of appalling efforts, it was dog sh*t but I have seen much, much worse over the years.

We will bounce back because we always do nowadays, I just hope we don't fail to address the big midfield problem in the summer like we have the 5-6 windows.
 
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I have the same rights as your so important self to make my comments. I don't always agree with yours, but don't have the desire to be so rude. If you don't like my comments, choose "ignore"!
To be fair you did accuse smith of not having the balls to play mac when actually mac is injured. That is not really an opinion, it is a basic fact you need to get right before accusing people. No offence intended, just saying 👍
 

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I don't think it was in the top 50, but it was very frustrating as we didn't know how to combat them. Obviously good skilful play (as in the goal we scored) could do it, but the majority of players seemed so far off being able to play that way. The go to players when it is like this, Jota and Canos, couldn't produce it on the night. We have very good defenders, yet they can't be expected to keep out wave after wave of attacks, even from Wolves! If DS needs to experiment, mabe Barbet or AB in defensive midfield role, as Woods seems to struggle in that position.
 

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I take it you missed the Rosenior reign then. Losing 4 nil at home to Crewe and 4 nil at home to Doncaster within a fortnight probably just about trumps Tuesday night for me.
Perhaps a bit unfair to compare a team with absolutely no money (remember those buckets) with today's setup with tens of millions behind it and paying millions in wages.
 

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Perhaps a bit unfair to compare a team with absolutely no money (remember those buckets) with today's setup with tens of millions behind it and paying millions in wages.
Err yes I remember the Rosenior / Butcher eras very very well indeed. The original poster said he couldn't remember a performance like Tuesday nights since 1961. I'm not comparing one team with another, im just saying there have been far far worse performances.
 

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Not my intention to be rude so my apologies for that. Just frustrated that when we lose this place goes into overdrive and assertions are made that can't be substantiated to support various posts
Thank you. In my own defence re opinion given, I find the BFC OS very poor, especially this season, regarding updating us on players being injured etc., except of course Alan Judge. Perhaps the free version of Get West London is better to keep tabs on, as they, for some reason appear to be more informative.
 

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Err yes I remember the Rosenior / Butcher eras very very well indeed. The original poster said he couldn't remember a performance like Tuesday nights since 1961. I'm not comparing one team with another, im just saying there have been far far worse performances.
Probably worse performances without doubt but not the ineffective or strange substitutions. Whole thing was depressing.
 

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As for "tired" players nowadays, thank goodness they weren't playing in the 50's, 60's, and 70's!!!
As someone able to remember the 70's (at least), I have to say that I think that is nonsense.

Players are FAR fitter than they were back in the day (at least at Championship level), and the pace of the game is so much faster. Also, teams are so well organised that any player who is struggling to keep up and isn't subbed will be targeted by the opposition.

Which is why players these days cannot/will not be allowed to play eg while carrying an injury, or if obviously struggling to keep up.

Compare that with eg Andy "The Tank" Feeley. Not only was he carrying a knee injury, but he was also carrying a beer gut (or so it seemed), and he still turned out regularly to terrorise the timid.

Anyhow, to explain the Wolves game more generally, you can moan all yoiu like about DS, but we have to remember that this is still a very young and inexperienced team. And as I always say, it doesn't matter how much talent such a team has, the last thing it develops is consistency.

And Tuesday suggests that this emerged as the players' inability to pace themselves, both during a game but also over a run of games. Add to that the fact that we are a physically small team, which is always open to being bullied off the ball, and you're always going to get performances like that.

But the key (as someone once said) is to learn from it, so that if we do face a situation like that next March, we should hope/expect that DS and the players will now have the nous to spot it early and do something about it.

P.S. I liked Feeley, in case he or any of his mates are reading. ;)
 

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Perhaps a bit unfair to compare a team with absolutely no money (remember those buckets) with today's setup with tens of millions behind it and paying millions in wages.
Of course this Brentford team has more money for players and wages than back in the days of collection buckets.

But that Wolves team has more money behind it than this Brentford team, too.

So that when we were selling Hogan for £13m(?) in January, Wolves were paying £13m for Costa:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38801529
 

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I take it you missed the Rosenior reign then. Losing 4 nil at home to Crewe and 4 nil at home to Doncaster within a fortnight probably just about trumps Tuesday night for me.
Yep, add MK Dons around the same horrendous run who also put 3 or maybe 4 past us, that felt like the end of the World.
Remember thinking that if MA had been in charge we may have lost but we'd have gone down fighting!
I also remember thinking how inspired Nathan Abbey was, he was one who actually could hold his head high.
 

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Anyhow, to explain the Wolves game more generally, you can moan all yoiu like about DS, but we have to remember that this is still a very young and inexperienced team. And as I always say, it doesn't matter how much talent such a team has, the last thing it develops is consistency.

But the key (as someone once said) is to learn from it...
I agree with this but...bearing in mind the club policy and the fact that we will tend to buy them young/raw, improve them and sell them when appropriate offers come up then we will always fit into this bracket. If every young raw player we recruit takes 2 years to develop consistency then we will always be inconsistent as a team - so the club had surely better come up with a way of instilling both talent and consistency into new / young players quickly.

...and there's a question for you - if you could not have both (quickly) would you sacrifice a little individual talent for greater consistency?
 
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Just got home to Lyme after leaving at home 2pm. Nigh on 12 hours of my life wasted watching that spineless drivel. Diverted off the M4 through bloody Reading. Summed up the night really.
I too had a miserable experience but, accidentally, think I ended up luckier than you. Having spent about almost two hours in a complete gridlock at the M23/M25 junction, with only about 45 minutes to get from there to TW8 (possible by helicopter, maybe), decided for the first time in nearly 30 years of travelling up to give up and return to the South Coast. Listening to Bees Player was a miserable experience but my sofa sure is more comfortable than the New Road on nights like Tuesday.
 

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I agree with this but...bearing in mind the club policy and the fact that we will tend to buy them young/raw, improve them and sell them when appropriate offers come up then we will always fit into this bracket. If every young raw player we recruit takes 2 years to develop consistency then we will always be inconsistent as a team - so the club had surely better come up with a way of instilling both talent and consistency into new / young players quickly.
That's a fair point.

I guess the answer is that not every player is a Hogan or a Gray, so that we don't sell every player after a season or two.

Therefore if we can keep the spine of the team together for three or four years (players like Harley, Maxim, Woodsy, the two Josh's and Nico etc), and the same Manager and Coaching Team, then we can develop greater consistency - if nothing else because we'll only be introducing one or two Rico Henrys at a time, rather than the four or five who've had to be integrated into the team this season.

...and there's a question for you - if you could not have both (quickly) would you sacrifice a little individual talent for greater consistency?
In the end, we've got to be thinking promotion, whether sooner or later.

And that means consistency over 46 games.

And a team of players who are all pulling together and know each others game will more likely give you that than a collection of more talented individuals who aren't gelling as a team.

Then once you have got promoted - and assuming we're in LR - then there will be more money to upgrade the talent level in the team, too.

It's easy this football management lark, isn't it... lol
 
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I take it you missed the Rosenior reign then. Losing 4 nil at home to Crewe and 4 nil at home to Doncaster within a fortnight probably just about trumps Tuesday night for me.
No. I saw all that stuff but don't recall being so dominated over 90 mins or fail to have at least some sustained pressure. It was like the Alamo on Tuesday but maybe l've just forgotten.
 

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No. I saw all that stuff but don't recall being so dominated over 90 mins or fail to have at least some sustained pressure. It was like the Alamo on Tuesday but maybe l've just forgotten.
Feel same as you. I really hope the qpr game is not same. That will make me angry.
 

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As someone able to remember the 70's (at least), I have to say that I think that is nonsense.

Players are FAR fitter than they were back in the day (at least at Championship level), and the pace of the game is so much faster. Also, teams are so well organised that any player who is struggling to keep up and isn't subbed will be targeted by the opposition.

Which is why players these days cannot/will not be allowed to play eg while carrying an injury, or if obviously struggling to keep up.

Compare that with eg Andy "The Tank" Feeley. Not only was he carrying a knee injury, but he was also carrying a beer gut (or so it seemed), and he still turned out regularly to terrorise the timid.

Anyhow, to explain the Wolves game more generally, you can moan all yoiu like about DS, but we have to remember that this is still a very young and inexperienced team. And as I always say, it doesn't matter how much talent such a team has, the last thing it develops is consistency.

And Tuesday suggests that this emerged as the players' inability to pace themselves, both during a game but also over a run of games. Add to that the fact that we are a physically small team, which is always open to being bullied off the ball, and you're always going to get performances like that.

But the key (as someone once said) is to learn from it, so that if we do face a situation like that next March, we should hope/expect that DS and the players will now have the nous to spot it early and do something about it.

P.S. I liked Feeley, in case he or any of his mates are reading. ;)

I like and understand the "ps". Didn't we used to call him Andy "Break your legs" Feeley!!!!!!
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
Real men in "them" days, not like the lightweights now a days......I bet you were good as well lol ....
 

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I used to play against you then. Dukes Meadows? We were West Midd.
Yup, Dukes meadows it was and I remember West Midd well. You may remember me, tall, dark haired, good looking bloke that used to run the midfield. I remember one game and our skipper complaining to the ref that the other team's goalkeeper was smoking. I don't think we had them under the cosh at the time.
 

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I really don't get this 'they are so tired' bit. I used to play for Manor in the Chiswick & District League on Sunday Mornings in the 70s, have 4 or 5 pints and 20 Piccadilly lunchtime in the Duke of York in Devonshire Road and still turn out for the B team in the afternoon. It's all about commitment.
Exactly! I was captain of the St.Mary's Isleworth primary school team 87/88 and I had to slog it out after a full day of lessons AND a game at lunchtime!!

Mind you, we were so good that season we won the league without having to play the last two fixtures. Saved a bit of the toll on our little legs.
 

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That was so bad I was just wundrin when we were last that bad in a home league match. Being comprehensively outplayed for about 80 mins of the game. I've been watching since 1961 and I'm struggling to think of a parallel at home. Any offers? Still in shock over it.:mad:
Sheff Weds at home this season??......Burnley at home last season??.....
 
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We have had many many appalling performances at home over the years where we have been hammered so let's keep things in perspective.

But I find it hard to remember a game in which we were so consistently poor in every aspect of the midfield battle and lost pretty much every challenge.

Derby and Brad Johnson did something similar to us last season. Again, a match where we were awful. Outpowered and negative but were somehow winning until late on. A bit like Tuesday.
 

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Our MF/attack works well and looks great on its day, but we are physically too lightweight when it comes to a battle. Against Wolves, our front 6 plus Henry are all medium-small players... we've probably fielded the smallest team of any league side this week.

Also, we have a strange mixture of players who may be knackered because of a full season (Nico in particular), which was highlighted by the stat that we had made fewer lineup changes than anyone, and players who have come back from injury or non-selection so aren't quite match-fit enough for 2 games per week (Henry, Jota, Canos, Josefzoon, KK). So we are tiring more than opponents in the closing stages
 

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Agree .. there does seem to be a mass hysterical over reaction on here today .. I agree it was a very poor performance last night and no one, not even Dean Smith has tried to defend the performance :shrug:
Our MF/attack works well and looks great on its day, but we are physically too lightweight when it comes to a battle. Against Wolves, our front 6 plus Henry are all medium-small players... we've probably fielded the smallest team of any league side this week.

Also, we have a strange mixture of players who may be knackered because of a full season (Nico in particular), which was highlighted by the stat that we had made fewer lineup changes than anyone, and players who have come back from injury or non-selection so aren't quite match-fit enough for 2 games per week (Henry, Jota, Canos, Josefzoon, KK). So we are tiring more than opponents in the closing stages
Your first paragraph hits the nail firmly on the head. We cannot expect to play slick, passing football in every game, sometimes we will need to dig in and battle and we're not equipped to with a team of vertically challenged lightweights.
 
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We lack depth and numbers in our squad.

It's the only way we can ensure we have quality players. We have to sacrifice something and in our case it's depth.

That's why we make less changes than anybody else.

Injuries to Bjelland Judge Mceachran Macleod McCormack don't help either. Plus The Yennaris situation. We made a strategic decision not to rely on loanees either which is another double edged sword.

We are down to bare bones as DS doesn't fancy KK or Hofmann. I think he's right but starving them of game time has made it a self perpetuating prophecy.

We are talented, gifted, small and knackered.

There really isn't anything DS can do about it either.

He can play around with Barbet perhaps. Give Field another go and pray for Mceachran to return.

Shaibu and Cole can't be expected to do much.

It's fasten seat belts time and hope the break restores some tired legs and that our DOFs give DS more tools next season and compromise on our policy of only signing skilful midgets when I suspect Benham will be looking for us to challenge for the playoffs.
 

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I think the problem we suffer from is one of expectation. Every time we go on a decent run playing good football like we have last 6-7 games (give or take) some supporters think it is going to last forever. Also given that the Wolves game represented an easier fixture on paper it was just a case of showing up, the rest would take care of itself. I suspect Tuesday's result/performance came about for a number of reasons, but does highlight (again) we are not the finished article, and as has been said are not equipped to win ugly when needed. And we have come a long way when you think how disappointed we are not have performed against and beaten Wolves, who are a bigger team on so many levels. Having said that I am confident as the teams currently stand we would beat them 7 times out of 10. Yes it was not great to experience, but hey that is football. At least we have the opportunity to bounce back on Saturday.
 

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I think the problem we suffer from is one of expectation. Every time we go on a decent run playing good football like we have last 6-7 games (give or take) some supporters think it is going to last forever. Also given that the Wolves game represented an easier fixture on paper it was just a case of showing up, the rest would take care of itself. I suspect Tuesday's result/performance came about for a number of reasons, but does highlight (again) we are not the finished article, and as has been said are not equipped to win ugly when needed. And we have come a long way when you think how disappointed we are not have performed against and beaten Wolves, who are a bigger team on so many levels. Having said that I am confident as the teams currently stand we would beat them 7 times out of 10. Yes it was not great to experience, but hey that is football. At least we have the opportunity to bounce back on Saturday.
The problem is that there is such a swing from a good run to a bad run............... There is no middle ground with us under Smith. He must have known our squad was tired (Even though i think that statement is bonkers in modern football). Set us up to grind a point out if we cant compete? We saw from minute one that Wolves were all over us and we just werent up for it................. We just dont seem to change or counter these issues.
 

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The problem is that there is such a swing from a good run to a bad run............... There is no middle ground with us under Smith. He must have known our squad was tired (Even though i think that statement is bonkers in modern football). Set us up to grind a point out if we cant compete? We saw from minute one that Wolves were all over us and we just werent up for it................. We just dont seem to change or counter these issues.
Completely agree, but unfortunately I don't think we have enough grinders in the team to be able to do this. I think once we get to the point where we do this and have a plan B, we will be knocking on the door to the promised land as per your Huddersfield's and previously Middlesboro. Also when you look at it Fulham appear to have a similar problem in beating a team fighting against relegation on the same night, which prevented them getting into the top 6. Consistency is where its at, but again with younger players it will be harder to achieve, but I guess I am not saying anything that DS and DOf's don't already know.
 

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We lack depth and numbers in our squad.

It's the only way we can ensure we have quality players. We have to sacrifice something and in our case it's depth.

That's why we make less changes than anybody else.

Injuries to Bjelland Judge Mceachran Macleod McCormack don't help either. Plus The Yennaris situation. We made a strategic decision not to rely on loanees either which is another double edged sword.

We are down to bare bones as DS doesn't fancy KK or Hofmann. I think he's right but starving them of game time has made it a self perpetuating prophecy.

We are talented, gifted, small and knackered.

There really isn't anything DS can do about it either.

He can play around with Barbet perhaps. Give Field another go and pray for Mceachran to return.

Shaibu and Cole can't be expected to do much.

It's fasten seat belts time and hope the break restores some tired legs and that our DOFs give DS more tools next season and compromise on our policy of only signing skilful midgets when I suspect Benham will be looking for us to challenge for the playoffs.
Exactly most of the fans see things at present with the squad. We knew that Judge was going to be out for the majority of the season, and McLeod was not available for the rest in the Jan transfer window. Yennais position was also highlighted before Jan window closed. Hogan was not replaced, but the DoF have lefted DS with a smaller squad to battle through the 2nd half of the season.

The last couple of games has again highlighted that with a couple of experienced loan players they can make a real difference. We saw this a couple of seasons ago with Pritchard, etc. They can control the game and close out the last 5/10 mins when you winning-Reading, Wolves.

All that the last 2 home games have shown is that a few players are not physical strong enough for the championship, even though they may have nice touches.
With the right contacts they do not need to be expensive, and they can add great value to a young squad, which is light weight anyway. Hopefully the correct loan players would add to the development of our younger player, so in effect getting value from them.
 

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Sheff Weds at home this season??......Burnley at home last season??.....
The issue l have with Tuesday is that we were totally outplayed for probably eighty of the ninety minutes. During a game any team will at least have a period where it has some possession and pressure on the oppo. We didn't. We looked like a team of strangers. So l don't classify the Weds and Burnley games in that category.
 

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Or put fresh legs on from the start and the cavalry on the bench for the last 20-30 minutes. Brave. Worth a try The worst thing that could have happened did happen anyway.
 

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The issue l have with Tuesday is that we were totally outplayed for probably eighty of the ninety minutes. During a game any team will at least have a period where it has some possession and pressure on the oppo. We didn't. We looked like a team of strangers. So l don't classify the Weds and Burnley games in that category.
Agreed. Not a single period of sustained pressure. Cant think of their keeper having to do anything in the whole game bar the Colin goal.
 

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I like and understand the "ps". Didn't we used to call him Andy "Break your legs" Feeley!!!!!!
Break your hands Feeley more like! He turned up to a FITC session I attended back in the late 80s. I was a mere 10 year old, and in goal, Feeley decided to take a pen against me...smashing it to the right of me, where I managed to get a hand to it to push it away. Needless to say I still remember to this day the pain that shot through my hand afterwards for a good 20mins...
 

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Exactly! I was captain of the St.Mary's Isleworth primary school team 87/88 and I had to slog it out after a full day of lessons AND a game at lunchtime!!

Mind you, we were so good that season we won the league without having to play the last two fixtures. Saved a bit of the toll on our little legs.
I went to St Mary's Isleworth too back in the 60s. The nuns obviously drummed that winning mentality into us.
 

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Break your hands Feeley more like! He turned up to a FITC session I attended back in the late 80s. I was a mere 10 year old, and in goal, Feeley decided to take a pen against me...smashing it to the right of me, where I managed to get a hand to it to push it away. Needless to say I still remember to this day the pain that shot through my hand afterwards for a good 20mins...
Yes, he was a bit of a nutter. Remember when I lived near Northampton, and the Bees played there, and he was taking a throw in, and calling out "No. 3, No. 3." , which was obviously some code they used to say where they were going to throw the ball. I was in the midst of Northampton supporters at the time, trying to not be too noticeable, when one of theirs shouted to him "You are No.3 you prat". Andy took the throw and then turned round and shouted, " So who is calling me a prat?". It went deathly silent as he gave that menacing look.
 

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Analysis of the defeat continues to 6 pages (not counting the 6 pages post match in the updates thread). Forest stuck on 4 + 3 ......
 

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Analysis of the defeat continues to 6 pages (not counting the 6 pages post match in the updates thread). Forest stuck on 4 + 3 ......
I know the point you're making (and sympathise with it), but the victory at Forest was hardly a surprise, whereas I doubt anyone saw the Wolves debacle coming. Also, there were nearly 8k Bees at GP, but far fewer at the City Ground.
 

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I know the point you're making (and sympathise with it), but the victory at Forest was hardly a surprise, whereas I doubt anyone saw the Wolves debacle coming. Also, there were nearly 8k Bees at GP, but far fewer at the City Ground.
Doubt there were over 8k overall in the ground. Loads of empty seats. The usual 1k less on a Tuesday, plus quite a few more no show STHs than usual. Not having a go at anyone - Tuesday nights aren't easy to get to for many.
 

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The coin a phrase i see on here but never use "complete gash". Wolves did good job too.
 

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