Benitez and Liverpool's loss of form

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Rafael Benetiz must be living on borrowed time. 4 defeats in a row, worst run for Liverpool in 22 years, a home loss to Man Utd will push him to the brink. Liverpool already fast dropping out of contention in the league and their CL hopes are in tatters.
 

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Rafael Benetiz must be living on borrowed time. 4 defeats in a row, worst run for Liverpool in 22 years, a home loss to Man Utd will push him to the brink. Liverpool already fast dropping out of contention in the league and their CL hopes are in tatters.
If their fifth defeat on the bounce is to Man Utd at Anfield the pressure would be huge.

I reckon he'll get at least until the game in Lyon but that is almost "must win" :)wave: markbfc ;)).

Any of the current "big four" would struggle without the CL money - Liverpool seem to be in a worse position on and off the field than the other three.
Problems loom.
 

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If their fifth defeat on the bounce is to Man Utd at Anfield the pressure would be huge.

I reckon he'll get at least until the game in Lyon but that is almost "must win" :)wave: markbfc ;)).

Any of the current "big four" would struggle without the CL money - Liverpool seem to be in a worse position on and off the field than the other three.
Problems loom.
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If their fifth defeat on the bounce is to Man Utd at Anfield the pressure would be huge.

I reckon he'll get at least until the game in Lyon but that is almost "must win" :)wave: markbfc ;)).

Any of the current "big four" would struggle without the CL money - Liverpool seem to be in a worse position on and off the field than the other three.
Problems loom.
The kop is key to this. They've been loyal to Benetiz over the past few years and if they turn his chips are in. However, who do you replace him with? They would have to go for a top manager but who is out there? Perhaps more importantly, who of any substance would go for it. The boardroom troubles suit Rafa and he has largely got his way by getting rid of Parry but out of the four, I can see Manchester City finishing above Liverpool this season.
 

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I don't believe Benitez will survive - they have clearly gone backwards from last season. The squad is certainly weaker with the departure of Alonso. Most of his signings have been very average.
 

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I don't believe Benitez will survive - they have clearly gone backwards from last season. The squad is certainly weaker with the departure of Alonso. Most of his signings have been very average.
:yes: Graeme Souness said last night that he has signed 68 players in his tenure, yet when they have 1 or 2 injuries they look like a weak side.
 

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The kop is key to this. They've been loyal to Benetiz over the past few years and if they turn his chips are in. However, who do you replace him with? They would have to go for a top manager but who is out there? Perhaps more importantly, who of any substance would go for it. The boardroom troubles suit Rafa and he has largely got his way by getting rid of Parry but out of the four, I can see Manchester City finishing above Liverpool this season.
Yes but did you hear their response last night to the Benayoun substitution. I don't think they were impressed. I think he's on borrowed time now.
 

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Yes but did you hear their response last night to the Benayoun substitution. I don't think they were impressed. I think he's on borrowed time now.
It's brilliant to watch. It shoves two fingers up the backsides of people on here who think we're fickle and anyone who thinks they are a scouser. Colin from Wandsworth was on the radio this morning saying that Benitez must go and this was backed up by Mike from Plymouth.lol
 

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The kop is key to this. They've been loyal to Benetiz over the past few years and if they turn his chips are in. However, who do you replace him with? They would have to go for a top manager but who is out there? Perhaps more importantly, who of any substance would go for it. The boardroom troubles suit Rafa and he has largely got his way by getting rid of Parry but out of the four, I can see Manchester City finishing above Liverpool this season.
They have to get realistic with the money they have (havn't) got to spend. Benitez is a good manager but his strike rate for buying players for a few million is poor. Someone like O'Neill would be ideal for them but I can't see the owners going for it.
 

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Can Liverpool afford to sack a manager on a 5 year contract, from a financial point of view
 

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Agreed, take those two out and they look ordinary, and most teams know it.
The two yankie owners can't agree whether today's Wednesday so how can they agree to sack him?

Benitez is doing a great job :sorted: :D
 

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They should have sold Mascherano in the summer and spent big on getting someone in.

They've got a player who does not want to be there and is playing like it.
I rate Macherano, though not sure on his performances this season. Even in games they've won they've had forture.
 

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He's coming out fighting though - getting the excuses in early.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8318005.stm

So having 3 players out injured (admittedly including your 2 best players) is a crisis for a top 4 club. I think I heard that Arsenal last night were missing Nasri, Walcott, Rosicky, Denilson, Bendtner and Djourou - I know they wouldn't all be in the starting 11, but that seems a rather harder-hit squad than Liverpool's. 3 seems a fairly light burden for a big club
 

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So having 3 players out injured (admittedly including your 2 best players) is a crisis for a top 4 club. I think I heard that Arsenal last night were missing Nasri, Walcott, Rosicky, Denilson, Bendtner and Djourou - I know they wouldn't all be in the starting 11, but that seems a rather harder-hit squad than Liverpool's. 3 seems a fairly light burden for a big club
I don't think it's in dispute Liverpool have injury problems - Gerrard, Torres and Johnson would be missed by any club in the country IMHO - but I agree that Benitez is playing this to be worse than it is.

It is his choice not to have a back up right back, his choice to replace Alonso with an injured player, his choice to spend £10m+ on Babel, his choice to have no back up strikers.

He has spent poorly and is paying for it.
 

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I don't think it's in dispute Liverpool have injury problems - Gerrard, Torres and Johnson would be missed by any club in the country IMHO - but I agree that Benitez is playing this to be worse than it is.

It is his choice not to have a back up right back, his choice to replace Alonso with an injured player, his choice to spend £10m+ on Babel, his choice to have no back up strikers.

He has spent poorly and is paying for it.
I guess that you don't rate him as a manager then WEB!
 

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his choice to have no back up strikers.

He has spent poorly and is paying for it.
Ferguson must be rubbing his hands - he's probably telling all his players they could finish both Liverpool and Benetiz off this season if they win. It's going to be quite a match.
 

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TBH, Johnson is one signing you'd struggle to argue with.

He's probably been their best player this season.
Thats's a pretty damning indictment of Benitez and Liverpool's season so far then.

Anyone who spends a large slice of their transfer budget on a full back isn't all there.

£17 million on a top striker or creative player? No problem.

A defender? lol
 

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Thats's a pretty damning indictment of Benitez and Liverpool's season so far then.

Anyone who spends a large slice of their transfer budget on a full back isn't all there.

£17 million on a top striker or creative player? No problem.

A defender? lol
They've lost four of nine Premier League games and two of three CL games, I don't think it needs me to give a damning indictment of their season!

Johnson was signed to give them additional width and allow them to stay compact in the centre of the field. Selling Alonso, not adequately replacing him and keeping Mascerano when he wants to leave means they have no spine.

If they added Johnson to last year's team they'd be ok. But they didn't and Benitez needs to take the blame for what he has in midfield. Any other PL manager would have ditched Lucas a year ago.
 

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They've lost four of nine Premier League games and two of three CL games, I don't think it needs me to give a damning indictment of their season!

Johnson was signed to give them additional width and allow them to stay compact in the centre of the field. Selling Alonso, not adequately replacing him and keeping Mascerano when he wants to leave means they have no spine.

If they added Johnson to last year's team they'd be ok. But they didn't and Benitez needs to take the blame for what he has in midfield. Any other PL manager would have ditched Lucas a year ago.
Johnson was signed as an addition to last years team. He then sold Alonso and bought an injured player who won't do the same job even when he is fit. While Johnson is a very good player spending £17m on him and not signing another striker (or 2) was madness.
 

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Who's this £20 mil injured player that keeps being mentioned in this thread?

Sorry, I don't pay much attention to the Premiersh*t.
 

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I just read that he has been given the dreaded vote of confidence by the owners. Probably means he will be sacked within two weeks.
 

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If Rafa thinks he will appeal the 2nd sending off for Jamie Carragher he is total mad, first one for Philipp Degen yes...
Red cards were harsh - Benitez
 

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Carragher will get his card rescinded as he just got the ball ( which to be fair the ref would not have seen).

Doesn't hide the fact that Liverpool were poor, they were always going to struggle this season without a fit Gerrard and Torres and so it has proved to be.

They have been living off the past for too long, they no longer have the finances or depth of squad to compete with others at the top and with their level of debt and probably dropping out of the Champions League it is only going to make it worse. To add insult to injury they don't seem to be able to bring through the young talent that they were once famous for.

They could drop to that middle tier of the Premiership of worthy clubs who will not win anything nor get relegated IMHO.
 

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Carragher will get his card rescinded as he just got the ball ( which to be fair the ref would not have seen).
Carragher was pulling that fulscum shirt prior before he won that tackle, he was the last man. I can't see it happening myself
 

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Scousers have their heads in the sand - it stems from the glory days of the seventies and eighties where everything was done internally, whilst everyone else told their stories to the media.
Add to that, that they don't like people slagging off their own, and Rafa is one of their own because he won the CL, and you get the siege mentality with the convenient excuse of the owners.
Liverpool based fans will not say anything bad, the glory hunters from the rest of the world are used to the media forcing the agenda, so want him out.

If they are happy to come in 4th or even 5th each season then let him stay.

Good fun hearing premiersh@te fans crying because they are only 4th : )

They will soon sound like Spurs - 'all we need is two more players and we can crack it':rolleyes:
 

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They've lost four of nine Premier League games and two of three CL games, I don't think it needs me to give a damning indictment of their season!
No need for any damning indictments WEB, it's a time for celebration. It's just what the game needs....more of these elite clubs returning to a level where the rest of the league can compete with them and return the football league to a competitive contest where any team can aim to win a title.
 

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