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The Daily Heil setting government policy again...
 

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The Daily Heil setting government policy again...
I also dislike the Mail but that's hardly the case here.

Per this
"A House of Lords committee recommended that gambling operators should no longer be allowed to advertise on the shirts of sports teams or any other part of their kit from 2023."
This article also references 2023 but just says it's almost certain to be in a forthcoming white paper.
Hardly the angry editor giving diktat to quivering politicians.
 

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Is the Government going to compensate for the loss of earnings?

After 18 months of getting through Covid restrictions and lack of crowds this will put some Clubs into even more of a financial hole
 

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Make sure this stays factual with no politics involved.

Ie not the first bit of the above but the second but is fine !
 

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Is the Government going to compensate for the loss of earnings?

After 18 months of getting through Covid restrictions and lack of crowds this will put some Clubs into even more of a financial hole
Surely not.
Did any sports or media outlets get government compensation when tobacco advertising was banned on TV, radio, newspapers...

The advertising space will still be available for someone else to use, presumably the market rate will drop without bookmakers money though.
And it seems to be part of the proposal that they'd still be able to take money from bookmakers and advertise in any other way as official club partner or whatever - those opportunities may even be more valuable than they were before.
 

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Is the Government going to compensate for the loss of earnings?

After 18 months of getting through Covid restrictions and lack of crowds this will put some Clubs into even more of a financial hole

Clubs survived without being sponsored by Tobacco & Alcohol companies. The same will happen re gambling.

A different business revenue stream will be sourced and tapped into.
 

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So should betting companies advertise odds on the next goalscorer during the advert break during Coronation Street but they aren’t allowed to on Sky before and during the match on the channel showing the game?

This is very different to stopping adverts for cigarettes and alcohol which aren’t intrinsically linked to the match itself
 

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Ah yea the House of Lords, with their heavily discounted “Marlboro Glenfiddich Tote” lounge bar, serving only the best products needed to come to an informed decision
 

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Not usually a person I would tend to quote (/paraphrase), but as Paul Merson said in the recent BBC(?) documentary, "gambling is one of the worst, and most lonely, addictions. There is only so much you can drink or put up your nose in a night, and people will be able to tell & try pull you in for a word. Gambling you can lose it all, and then lose some more, in a matter of minutes, and nobody is none the wiser".
As something that has wrecked the lives of countless fans as well as players, I don't see it fit to be pushed the way it is at/around football.
 

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So should betting companies advertise odds on the next goalscorer during the advert break during Coronation Street but they aren’t allowed to on Sky before and during the match on the channel showing the game?

This is very different to stopping adverts for cigarettes and alcohol which aren’t intrinsically linked to the match itself
Isn't this about advertising on shirts?

Images of footballers in kit, and football kits themselves, are big business these days and I think the government are realising that players and fans being walking billboards for the gambling industry isn't a good look when it costs poor and/or vulnerable people so much. I'd say this doesn't go far enough in separating football from promoting gambling, but it's a step in the right direction.
 

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Surprised we haven't sold naming rights to the ground - I mean Hollywood Bowl has a nce ring to it ....
 

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Isn't this about advertising on shirts?

Images of footballers in kit, and football kits themselves, are big business these days and I think the government are realising that players and fans being walking billboards for the gambling industry isn't a good look when it costs poor and/or vulnerable people so much. I'd say this doesn't go far enough in separating football from promoting gambling, but it's a step in the right direction.
I think the shirt sponsor isn’t their main goal. I feel stopping pitch adverts is the target, shirt sponsors is just the first step.
I wonder what percentage of our fans have firstly even clicked on Hollywoodbets Website, and then secondly deposited funds there.
Just because I see their name on our shirts, I haven’t heard any discussion about them, not one word. I place bets on sport but with bookmakers I know and trust. They are low bets too, often not enough to buy samosas at the ground.
 

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I think the shirt sponsor isn’t their main goal. I feel stopping pitch adverts is the target, shirt sponsors is just the first step.
I wonder what percentage of our fans have firstly even clicked on Hollywoodbets Website, and then secondly deposited funds there.
Just because I see their name on our shirts, I haven’t heard any discussion about them, not one word. I place bets on sport but with bookmakers I know and trust. They are low bets too, often not enough to buy samosas at the ground.
I think it's a separate point from whether this is a good thing or not.... but there is something I'd like to understand about the number of small bookmakers that fork out a lot for these sponsorship opportunities. as you say I've never visited Hollywood bets, nor stake.com who are on Watford's sponsorship shirt and had never have heard of either before this season. same with Leo Vegas from our shirt a few years ago.

My friend observed, correctly I think, that Paddy power's high profile "unsponsorship" campaign at Huddersfield and other clubs appeared to be marketed as something nice for fans everywhere...what it was really doing was entrenching the position of the big bookmakers if smaller bookmakers are kept away from football shirts. Save our Shirt
Them and Bet365 and the other big bookies will not mind this, on that basis.
 

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Not usually a person I would tend to quote (/paraphrase), but as Paul Merson said in the recent BBC(?) documentary, "gambling is one of the worst, and most lonely, addictions. There is only so much you can drink or put up your nose in a night, and people will be able to tell & try pull you in for a word. Gambling you can lose it all, and then lose some more, in a matter of minutes, and nobody is none the wiser".
As something that has wrecked the lives of countless fans as well as players, I don't see it fit to be pushed the way it is at/around football.
I was listening to Paul talking about his book last week.
Probably worth a read.
I was also listening to Kerry Dixon and his gambling problems were massive.
Tip of the iceberg I know, but we will keep hearing about the addiction /illness that it is.
 

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I cannot imagine anyone with a gambling addiction rushing to spend his last tenner as a result of being influenced by the advertising on a shirt. The entreaties to bet NOW on tv at half time are a different matter. Yet another example of looking as if you’re doing something about a problem whilst ignoring the real causes.
 

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I cannot imagine anyone with a gambling addiction rushing to spend his last tenner as a result of being influenced by the advertising on a shirt. The entreaties to bet NOW on tv at half time are a different matter. Yet another example of looking as if you’re doing something about a problem whilst ignoring the real causes.
No, but people without addiction are lured into one. It ruins lives.
 

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I cannot imagine anyone with a gambling addiction rushing to spend his last tenner as a result of being influenced by the advertising on a shirt. The entreaties to bet NOW on tv at half time are a different matter. Yet another example of looking as if you’re doing something about a problem whilst ignoring the real causes.
How many of the shirt sponsors are done by the "big hitters" in the betting world?
Maybe not spend their last tenner, but if they've got accounts with William Hill, Ladbrooks, SkyBet and suddenly hear about this new one Hollywood Bets, it's an extra place to go piss their money away (or new place to try beat, as I might have more luck with them)

Edit: I absolutely agree all the sh*te adverts during football/news etc is massive problem, probably more so, but got to start somewhere. And this is definitely an issue, and probably easier to address quickly
 
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Clubs survived without being sponsored by Tobacco & Alcohol companies. The same will happen re gambling.

A different business revenue stream will be sourced and tapped into.

Probably this ‘fan tokens’ nonsense which is equally exploitative, IMO.
 

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How many of the shirt sponsors are done by the "big hitters" in the betting world?
Maybe not spend their last tenner, but if they've got accounts with William Hill, Ladbrooks, SkyBet and suddenly hear about this new one Hollywood Bets, it's an extra place to go piss their money away (or new place to try beat, as I might have more luck with them)

Edit: I absolutely agree all the sh*te adverts during football/news etc is massive problem, probably more so, but got to start somewhere. And this is definitely an issue, and probably easier to address quickly
What about all these weekly lottery adverts Cats Protection, Alzheimers, RNIB (to name just a few) where the ad says “What will you do with your winnings?”
Many ITV programmes have competitions to win Cash, Cars, Holidays etc at £2 + text fee/entry. This Morning drums that message into you over and over again they should be made to announce how much money is lost compared to the prize and this should not be a way of funding tv programmes. But this of course isn’t gambling.
 

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What about all these weekly lottery adverts Cats Protection, Alzheimers, RNIB (to name just a few) where the ad says “What will you do with your winnings?”
Many ITV programmes have competitions to win Cash, Cars, Holidays etc at £2 + text fee/entry. This Morning drums that message into you over and over again they should be made to announce how much money is lost compared to the prize and this should not be a way of funding tv programmes. But this of course isn’t gambling.
Have to agree there are other issues too! My fiance had This Morning on and I was astounded by the constant "win prize" adverts.
 

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Coincidence? Philanthropy? A smart tax move?

" ...the company behind Derby's shirt sponsors have offered to advance the remaining payments on its contract to help the club's administrators tackle the Rams' short-term financial problems.

Derby's deal with Kindred Group, which runs online casino 32Red, is due to expire at the end of the season."

P.S. McClaren has also stepped down to save then a few bob
 
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