BFC to restart taking the knee?

Do you agree with players kneeling before kick-off

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 37.7%
  • No

    Votes: 45 34.6%
  • Don't Care

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Billy's questions to Phil and Rasmus over the summer on the decision to stop was really interesting to see. I personally support whatever means the players feel to promote an anti-racism message, but particularly one Farage won't be happy with. :ROFLMAO:

Sky are reporting the same in that all clubs will do it, but i also wondered if this was sloppy reporting. Interested to see if the club make a statement to clear up the players stance on the issue.
 

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We all know our stance on Taking the knee, But with the announcement on the BBC & SKY (if true) that all 20 clubs will do it, What is going to happen, are we, or aren't we, if we don't how is it going to look on world wide TV coverage, could it set clubs, players, public and the like against us, If we are not going to do it, how about we applaud the opposing team in understanding, A very tricky situation indeed, and one that needs sorting very quickly.
 

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Key quote from the PL's statement

"Following our club captains’ meeting, that collective commitment was reaffirmed and the Premier League will continue to support the players’ strong voice on this important issue."
 

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Obviously a very hot topic. I for one understand the historical symbolism of taking the knee. But I think society as a whole isn't reacting positively enough to it. Which why Brentford players decided not to and wanted to do more than that I understood that.

Community and educational work from the club for me would have a bigger impact than seeing or players take the knee.
 

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I wonder whether, having seen the negative reaction to taking the knee by a small number of fans during the Euros, the club have deemed it necessary to take the knee in order to take a stance against these people, and possibly to avoid any misinformed media outlets trying to use it as a propaganda platform for their own racist initiatives. Particularly now the club will be broadcast to a much wider audience globally, we don't need the likes of Nigel Farage celebrating our not taking of the knee to a global audience.

In all likelihood, an oversight by the Premier League.
 

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I'm happy for us to just do what everyone else does. I don't really want us to become the club at the centre of the discussion of this issue.
 

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I'm happy for us to just do what everyone else does. I don't really want us to become the club at the centre of the discussion of this issue.
Same here. It’s extremely complex now and we can’t go against the mainstream. The PR would be horrific otherwise.

Some Brentford fans in the West stand booed the gesture on Saturday before the game.
 

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Same here. It’s extremely complex now and we can’t go against the mainstream. The PR would be horrific otherwise.

Some Brentford fans in the West stand booed the gesture on Saturday before the game.

As did many West Ham fans in the East stand away section.
 

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I was wondering the same. Either they i) keep going for hundreds of year (unfortunately) or ii) find something else to do.
During the Phil/Ras podcast they said the club was working on alternative, active things to do in the community but that deciding on this took time and consultation with players and community. So if we’ve decided to go back to taking the knee so as not to provide a focal point for booers (either of us for not doing it or opponents for doing it) or the likes of Farage taking our players’ and club’s principled stance out of context and having them co-opted by people who really aren’t on say, Ivan’s side, I’m fine with that.

If it means that a big community programme we start then gets good exposure by being launched along with stopping, there’s your exit plan.

Some tried to argue we should be going for all lives mattering. But from Farage’s comments last week about a much loved organisation literally having from day one believed in every life mattering, we know he and many following him don’t really believe that.
 

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If it means that a big community programme we start then gets good exposure by being launched along with stopping, there’s your exit plan.
So we just do a local programme and hey, no more kneeling with the rest of the PL in front of a global audience of hundreds of millions?
 

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I would love an answer from anyone to this that's not the obvious unrealistic one. I'd also like to see any evidence that taking the knee has made any difference whatsoever to racism.
Christ. I’m not sure anyone’s ever claimed that a symbolic gesture is going to measurably change something by itself.
 

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What I'd really like to see is all PL players announcing a boycott of the Qatar world cup. Do something for discrimination that would make a real difference. Not sure they'd do something that requires a personal sacrifice though...

Not sure why they’d do that. Judging by football’s silence on the Doha scandal, Nepali and Bangladeshi Workers’ Lives Don’t Matter.
 

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So we just do a local programme and hey, no more kneeling with the rest of the PL in front of a global audience of hundreds of millions?
Well the bar is raised by that so they’ll have to find something suitable and not seen as derisory. I got the impression they didn’t really have any particularly good big ideas so while it’s an exit plan, execution is tough. If it weren’t there’d not be much an issue in the first place.

Personally I’d rather they knelt than did the Black Power salute but as long as we aren’t booing whatever they choose (or see this as a valid thing to boo opponents for) I’m not that exercised either way.
 

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Christ. I’m not sure anyone’s ever claimed that a symbolic gesture is going to measurably change something by itself.

"We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all."
 

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Not sure why they’d do that. Judging by football’s silence on the Doha scandal, Nepali and Bangladeshi Workers’ Lives Don’t Matter.
Whilst I agree, clearly footballers can't "support" every cause. A world cup though? They are directly involved so would be entirely appropriate.
 

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"We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all."

Crikey - so when they’ve eliminated all racism in the UK, they’ll move on to e.g. eliminating the far more pervasive and dangerous racism in India (the caste system).

Good luck with that. I predict the knee stuff ending in 2767 then.
 

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I have no time for racism, coming from an Irish Catholic family I have experienced racism . However IMO taking the knee has outlived its purpose and is doing more harm than good. Presently there is no room for different views and I expect to receive considerable flack for daring to express my views .
 

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Crikey - so when they’ve eliminated all racism in the UK, they’ll move on to e.g. eliminating the far more pervasive and dangerous racism in India (the caste system).

Good luck with that. I predict the knee stuff ending in 2767 then.
I think you're being optimistic with 2767.
 

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Will it end when the shaking of hands stops? I don’t even remember when that started but I dont recall it happening in the seventies, eighties, nineties. Perhaps I just never noticed
 

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Whilst I agree, clearly footballers can't "support" every cause. A world cup though? They are directly involved so would be entirely appropriate.

I’d hope they could at least support a cause that has seen a large number of people die to construct stuff so that footballers can coin it in. There’s a very direct link between the two that‘s only going to ramp up as we near the Qatar WC. To date, their silence is (IMHO) shameful and does little to convince me that they are genuinely interested in social welfare issues that they have a very deep stake in.
 
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Billy's questions to Phil and Rasmus over the summer on the decision to stop was really interesting to see. I personally support whatever means the players feel to promote an anti-racism message, but particularly one Farage won't be happy with. :ROFLMAO:

Sky are reporting the same in that all clubs will do it, but i also wondered if this was sloppy reporting. Interested to see if the club make a statement to clear up the players stance on the issue.
It was very powerful. Would assume Phil and Ras relayed the strength of feeling back to the players. It's not for me to tell anyone what to do, I've never had to walk in those shoes. However I've always felt that it it makes racists uncomfortable because they feel excluded by it then that is a good enough reason for doing it. I include that idiot Lee Hurst who publicly supported Germany against Engalnd because our players were taking the knee. Bet he exploded when he saw the rainbow armband.
 
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I’d like to see some comms from BFC on this.

Our position in Feb 2021 is that we are not taking the knee because it is “no longer having an impact.”

Our position should not be that we are now taking the knee again because we are in the PL. That just looks performative.
 

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Crikey - so when they’ve eliminated all racism in the UK, they’ll move on to e.g. eliminating the far more pervasive and dangerous racism in India (the caste system).

Good luck with that. I predict the knee stuff ending in 2767 then.
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I think had the response at the Euros been different then things may have changed, however, it has potentially highlighted a continued need to carry on and work through the prejudice.

I understand some of those booing were doing so because of perceived political aspects, but is also dangerous to assume that, especially with the treatment of Saka et al.

Football has the power to make seismic changes, I feel as though the kneeling and anti racism element is only starting to get a grip and truly see debate and front line thinking.
 

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I would love an answer from anyone to this that's not the obvious unrealistic one. I'd also like to see any evidence that taking the knee has made any difference whatsoever to racism.
Seen plenty of conversations over the knee that have changed people's thought processes. Thats what it's there to do.

In regards to stopping, do we stop handshakes before and after the game once "everyone knows they respect each other"?
 

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Seen plenty of conversations over the knee that have changed people's thought processes. Thats what it's there to do.

In regards to stopping, do we stop handshakes before and after the game once "everyone knows they respect each other"?
"changed people's thought processes". Can you elaborate on this?

The hand shaking comparison is, how can I put it politely, silly.
 

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Seen plenty of conversations over the knee that have changed people's thought processes. Thats what it's there to do.

In regards to stopping, do we stop handshakes before and after the game once "everyone knows they respect each other"?

A strange response. In UK culture, shaking hands has been a way of greeting and showing respect for literally centuries. To link that to a political gesture imported from America is….. an interesting take.
 

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For me the issue is that Brentford didn’t replace it with more viable meaningful action. We did print a plastic banner thing though. Which was up there with the jumbotron in terms of general ineptness
 

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What I'd really like to see is all PL players announcing a boycott of the Qatar world cup. Do something for discrimination that would make a real difference. Not sure they'd do something that requires a personal sacrifice though...

Why not? A lot of current players have made personal sacrifices in support of causes they support
 

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So we just do a local programme and hey, no more kneeling with the rest of the PL in front of a global audience of hundreds of millions?
This doesn’t sit at all well. It seems that the optics of “doing something” is now more important than actually doing something. It is now totally meaningless.
 

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Personal choice surely. Booing is ignorant.
It has to be a collective action, be it Championship Brentford's players or Premier League Brentford's players plus all other Premier League players. The discussion should not be about individuals but about individual responsibility within a collective.
 
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