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Points to consider:

TF is right. We would have lost that game last month so it’s a step in the right direction.

The referee was a total homer. Some disgraceful home tackles went unpunished.

They set out to let us have the ball and wait to pounce on our mistakes. What terrible tactics for a home side. Imagine watching that crap every week.

The five at the back is a useful sticking plaster to bide us more time until the transfer window opens. Jeanvier the best of a bunch that by hook or by crook, got us a clean sheet.

We are treading water - fingers crossed we get a result against Norwich and then it’s been a decent couple of weeks to stop the carnage of the previous six.
 

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Brum vs Bees match report

Thought this would be already going, but here is my summary :

Regarding the line up, given the resource available and formulation we have been playing, no great surprises, except Kamo was expected to start and all official communication indicated he was starting, then later in 2nd half Nico came on despite not being on the starting line up.

First half was ok, with limited opportunities for both team and neither looked like either defences were going to get breached.

Second half not much better, match stats sums the game up, between the two teams, 12 shots with 3 on target. Think it would be a month of Sunday’s before anyone scored.

It was a good competitive game with neither team really looking like scoring.
Maupay subbed before he was sent off, ref had a stinker and thought he lost control.

Subs did ok, probably with Nico adding more needed beef in midfield, Said and Judge just status quo.

All in all a fair result, in a game that was looking like either a red card or refereeing decision was going to decide the outcome.
Would have took a point before kick off and worthy of a point at the end of the match.

New formation has plugged gaps at the back, but as a result we need to be clinical as we are not creating the same number of opportunities up front.

Happy with a point and unbeaten in three sounds better than where we been.
 

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Top day out and a point the least we deserved because we played the right way unlike that shower in blue.
Rebus was right for once, the ref was shameful and gave us nothing all game and them countless free kicks in dangerous areas, thankfully their set pieces were as bad as their attitude and Dan was largely untested.

The three centre backs strategy worked again and the fact that they had two immobile lumps up top played into our hands and the number 10 was an embarrassment while Che Adams looked like he’s on the same health regime as me.

Unlike Rebus I thought that there were some very good individual, battling performances although concede it wasn’t good game or advert for Championship football. It was however a game we needed to be up for, strong and resilient with the officials, the crowd, recent form and stats definitely against us.

My cousin is a blue a well as being a well travelled, knowledgable football person and sat amongst us, At half time he thought they couldn’t play as badly after the break predicting a different story second half but by the end reckoned we were well worth a point and conceded we got nothing from the officials.

Sawyers was everywhere today and the first time I can say it was a real captains performance and he was our leader on the pitch.

Shame Neal went off but he had clearly had enough and it was the right decision as they took turns to commit niggly fouls and lots of afters going on that he eventually rose to.

Very enjoyable lunch time with some top quality Bees in Mooch bar and good company in Snobs after watching the bin dippers beat Arsenal before getting a later train home.

All in all a very good day out and the team showed they are up for the fight
 
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Good point away from home, didn't deserve a win but neither did Brum.
Solid at the back, not afraid to hoof it if needed, but tried to play our way first half. Jitters took over later on and there were a few shanked clearances and passes, but nothing came of them.
Attacking wise we didn't do much, header from Neal went wide, Jeanvier hit a back heel on target from a corner and Rico hit a volley into the ground and wide, but didn't create anything else of note. Lots of our moves seemed to break down further up the field, with several poor touches and overhit passes but meh.
Thought we'd get overrun in midfield without Mokotjo but we weren't, Sawyers had an outstanding game, winning tackles and headers, driving us forward, generally being everywhere whilst also throwing in his little flicks and tricks. McEachran also had a good game, a few well times tackles and interceptions, and offered an option to receive the ball, but didn't pass it forward too much.
We need to start using the wing backs more, they did well when given the ball but we sort of forgot about them in the second half.
Brum were typical Brum, stodgy densive gamelan, no creativity even with that Spanish bloke on the field, and just attempted to kick Maupay off the field frkm the minute the whistle was blown, taking it in turns to foul him until he lost it. Nowhere near as good or as big as they think they are, and their fans are just as bad, throwing bottles etc onto the pitch. Monks also a ***** but oh well no change there.
All in all, bit of a boring game based on the chances, 12 shots and 3 on target all game from both teams says it all really.
 

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Points to consider:

TF is right. We would have lost that game last month so it’s a step in the right direction.

The referee was a total homer. Some disgraceful home tackles went unpunished.

They set out to let us have the ball and wait to pounce on our mistakes. What terrible tactics for a home side. Imagine watching that crap every week.

The five at the back is a useful sticking plaster to bide us more time until the transfer window opens. Jeanvier the best of a bunch that by hook or by crook, got us a clean sheet.

We are treading water - fingers crossed we get a result against Norwich and then it’s been a decent couple of weeks to stop the carnage of the previous six.

I’m intrigued as to what you mean by treading water?
 

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All over them first half, just lacking quality in the final third and unable to make possession turn into clear cut chances. Which is always a worry.

Second half, they built a bit of pressure and the crowd finally woke up but it came to nothing and we were looking comfortable. Then they started winding Maupay up in particular and trying to break things up even more than they had been and the ref fell for it hook line and sinker and ended up booking Neil for getting clobbered from behind in a two-man tackle from their troglodytes. Was glad to see him hauled off then, cos he would have been sent off otherwise but that meant that they bossed things afterwards but pleasingly, we contained all that and didn't really look under pressure.

Good cohesive display, especially with Josh Mac as late replacement for Kamo, thought Canos did well, Sawyers was very good (someone please tell the plum stoof behind me), Rico is a real player, and all in all, I think we should be pleased with an away point against 7th (ha) best team in the championship. Taking the piss out of the fat jammy doughnut for 90 minutes was the icing on the fat jammy doughnut.
 

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I’m intrigued as to what you mean by treading water?

I think it is pretty obvious?

We have put a sticky plaster over the wound to stop the bleeding, gone 5 at the back to scrap out some points. Come January we will see some of the out of contract players leave and probably a big sale and then bring in 3-4 new faces, maybe a CB, a holding CM and a new forward. Then we go back to plan a and start playing football again.
 
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I think it is pretty obvious?

We have put a sticky plaster over the wound to stop the bleeding, gone 5 at the back to scrap out some points. Come January we will see some of the out of contract players leave and probably a big sale and then bring in 3-4 new faces, maybe a CB, a holding CM and a new forward. Then we go back to plan a and start playing football again.

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I think it is pretty obvious?

We have put a sticky plaster over the wound to stop the bleeding, gone 5 at the back to scrap out some points. Come January we will see some of the out of contract players leave and probably a big sale and then bring in 3-4 new faces, maybe a CB, a holding CM and a new forward. Then we go back to plan a and start playing football again.

Surely our previous 'system' had been well and truly sussed. We desperately needed to change our methods. And it will take time to adjust. We need to be more clinical with our play around the penalty area. But we are now showing improvement game by game. I guess not quick enough for some...
 

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I think it is pretty obvious?

We have put a sticky plaster over the wound to stop the bleeding, gone 5 at the back to scrap out some points. Come January we will see some of the out of contract players leave and probably a big sale and then bring in 3-4 new faces, maybe a CB, a holding CM and a new forward. Then we go back to plan a and start playing football again.

Hmmm... Sticky plaster seems to be working at the minute, but it is only 3 games. In the flip side, Wolves got promoted with the same formation (had loads of money to spend though) and we do seem to be harder to press all of a sudden, teams don't seem to be used to it. Would be nice if we could flip in and out of the two.
 

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Dull game, like brum city itself. Scummy place and scummy fans, throwing bottles again I see. Did they throw bottles at the away fans over the fence again like when we played them in the cup? Scummy scumbags
 

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Great day out. 270-mile round trip. First half we dominated and were tough and slick without creating too much. Second half the Neanderthals lumped the ball up to the big fellas at every opportunity and we lapped it up. Our CBs were imperious. Julian and Yoann excellent. A few nervy moments but we were strong and gave them very little. Our wing backs looked good. Whole team put in a shift. Neal was man handled a few times and reacted. A very professional performance. Fully deserved point. Though mtvref gave us some dubious decisions, but was influenced by the home crowd as game wore on. Brim pretty awful to watch with their hoofing. Good crowd and noise. Well done, boys.
 

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Dull game, like brum city itself. Scummy place and scummy fans, throwing bottles again I see. Did they throw bottles at the away fans over the fence again like when we played them in the cup? Scummy scumbags
The immediate area was just a mass of dumped rubbish and boarded-up buildings. Truly grim. Maybe needs the Peaky Blinders to sort it out. But added to the atmosphere. And yes, loads of bottles thrown at our players at far corner. Shocking. Presumably they will be fined.
 

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I think it is pretty obvious?

We have put a sticky plaster over the wound to stop the bleeding, gone 5 at the back to scrap out some points. Come January we will see some of the out of contract players leave and probably a big sale and then bring in 3-4 new faces, maybe a CB, a holding CM and a new forward. Then we go back to plan a and start playing football again.

That may be your view but I’m not convinced about that. We’ve spent the last three years under Smith playing an open, attacking style of football which has been ever-pleasing on the eye and widely lauded. But we never managed to resolve the dilemma of defending weakly, gifting soft goals and failing to grind out draws instead of narrow defeats. Yes, of course there was plenty to enjoy about the approach but we’ve been the masters of failing to see out games and tossing away points by naive defending and unnecessary blunders. We can go on like that again in the future but there was no indication under Smith that we were likely to address those areas.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the current set-up system is here for the foreseeable future. Once the shape is fully embedded, there’s absolutely no reason why the slick attacking approach we’ve enjoyed can’t be deployed, albeit with a much firmer and more resilient defensive shape. What we’ve started to see may be more than just a sticking plaster.
 

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We had no protection from the referee throughout. He was a disgrace. A couple of our bookings were silly on our part, but came from frustration,. How none of their players got booked, I’ll never know
Thought we played great. Sawyers in particular. All at the back were strong and immense. Rico and Moses really strong and full o& energy and running
Sublime skill and flick by Maupay in first half. Love that man. Thought Frank did the right thing to sub him, in case he got sent off.
Well done to everyone concerned. We are getting our Brentford back. Proud.
 

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We had no protection from the referee throughout. He was a disgrace. A couple of our bookings were silly on our part, but came from frustration,. How none of their players got booked, I’ll never know
Thought we played great. Sawyers in particular. All at the back were strong and immense. Rico and Moses really strong and full o& energy and running
Sublime skill and flick by Maupay in first half. Love that man. Thought Frank did the right thing to sub him, in case he got sent off.
Well done to everyone concerned. We are getting our Brentford back. Proud.
yeah got to agree, I actually thought we played well considering we were up against a team in form who don’t concede many, I like our more defensive minded approach.
We looked weak before, now we look a much tougher outfit and it’s good to see us do the simple no nonsense defending now and then, rather than the nail biting stuff we were doing before. We still pass it out from the back a lot but I haven’t felt nearly as nervous watching us last couple of games.
 

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Surely our previous 'system' had been well and truly sussed. We desperately needed to change our methods. And it will take time to adjust. We need to be more clinical with our play around the penalty area. But we are now showing improvement game by game. I guess not quick enough for some...

I don’t think we should overstate the system as having been sussed. It is much more a case, at least IMO, of a couple of shortcomings in the squad built by two DOF’s who’ve built up a huge amount of credit. Teams have got wiser in how to combat us, yes, but more than anything it’s the squad shortcomings which this has exposed rather than the system itself.

As rebus alluded to, we’re treading water having plugged the defensive holes, but come January I expect those shortcomings to be addressed.
 

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Very surprised how they let us play keep ball in the first half and very surprised how un raucous their crowd was. Ref bottled an early nasty challenge from behind on Watkins which signalled open season for them. A bit weird because he didn't give all the home decisions you'd expect but then go overboard on others. The 'tackle' that went through Maupay was clearly in the'with intent' and'out of control' category. He was clearly following through to injure. Maybe it'll get picked up by the FA for review. Ref bottled it again because if given as a foul he has to show a red card. Quite a few bottles thrown onto the pitch, a couple taken by the ref to the 4th official or stadium manager. When another appeared in Bentley's area the ref just threw it into the back of the net and told him to get on with it.
Sawyers was immense, a captains performance today, not easy either after his early booking. Defensively we looked more solid. The two full/wing backs are excellent and show what we have been missing.
Quite a tense game as there was always a chance they'd get a completely undeserved goal and losing to them is somehow harder to take than against some others. All the more so because they had been so negative.
The area around the ground is a disgrace, litter and filth everywhere. I quite like parts of Birmingham, the Bull Ring area and the old Victorian bits. The Refurb to the station is excellent but there are some other grim parts, not least of which were some of the side roads on the walk from the station to the ground.
Always love an away 0-0, more than I should. I think it's the combination of getting something from an away game and keeping a clean sheet which would infuriate the home fans far more.
Good noise from the Bees fans throughout today.
 

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I don’t think we should overstate the system as having been sussed. It is much more a case, at least IMO, of a couple of shortcomings in the squad built by two DOF’s who’ve built up a huge amount of credit. Teams have got wiser in how to combat us, yes, but more than anything it’s the squad shortcomings which this has exposed rather than the system itself.

As rebus alluded to, we’re treading water having plugged the defensive holes, but come January I expect those shortcomings to be addressed.

Reminds me of where the squad was before we signed Flo and a few others to give us some much needed width that we lacked. This squad needs additions and they will come.
 

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This squad needs additions and they will come.

Or perhaps not. In my view the present squad as it stands is strong enough to take us back up the table. The players have adopted a new system and are adjusting well to the arrival of newcomers in defence - for that's what Henry, Jeanvier and Odubajo are, for a variety of reasons. The defence performed well today despite Mepham's absence. We're well equipped in the midfield department, with even MacEachran putting in a decent shift against Brum. An attack force comprising wing-backs, attacking midfielders and Neal Maupay is always likely to get among the goals, especially if Watkins and Canos can improve their decision-making around the box. The only addition I'd like to see would be a striker on the bench as insurance against Maupay getting injured. (As we know, potent strikers grow on trees). Otherwise I'd be inclined to leave well alone. (And to say no to any of our leading players who have thoughts of leaving).
 

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When was our last scoreless draw?

I thought we did ok. Birmingham's tactics quite extraordinary for a team chasing the play-offs, but they did stifle us. I wonder how they would have responded if we'd scored? Henry had Jota in his pocket and the only times I was worried was when they won free kicks. But Jota wasted all those opportunities. Janvier was commanding in defence and almost scored with a fancy flick. And Romaine dominated midfield, including several wonderful flicks.

Anyone know what the deal was with Mokotjo/McEachran?
 

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Garry Monk is a prat. His comments about Maupay are laughable. A good point away however.
 

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Maupay went down clutching his face in an off-the-ball incident in the penalty area where he was firmly pushed in the chest. It doesn't look clever in the replays. However, if he hadn't been shoved, it wouldn't have happened at all.
 

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Garry Monk is a prat. His comments about Maupay are laughable. A good point away however.
He has gone from being seen as a progressive young manager whose team play positive expansive football to the new Warnock with a very cynical and direct style of play with post match comments to match.
 

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He has gone from being seen as a progressive young manager whose team play positive expansive football to the new Warnock with a very cynical and direct style of play with post match comments to match.

The blokes a *****, well out of order in saying " that everyone in football knows what Maupays like" I expect the team talk in most of the dressing rooms is wind maupay up and kick the sh*t out of him.Maupay is no angel, but not as bad as ****** Monk Claims. Gary Monk your a hypocrite I remember what a dirty player you were in your visits to GP. You always seemed to get away with it. I do remember you getting sent off at GP. Sour grapes from an overated manager. Maupay gets stuck in and as I sad he is no angel. you try and do your job to the best of your ability, and leave the refs to do their job ,. Not got a clue to what your moaning about 5 yellows to the bees and none to your lot. Tells me another story as Brentford fc are not a dirty team. Looks like the ref looked after you well, man up..
 

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Excellent day out with great company.

A 12 hour round trip on the train is always fraught with danger for me because I have history of these sorts of days going wrong but thankfully made it home in one piece lol

As for the football a thoroughly professional performance from our boys with excellent support from the stands. I felt really comfortable and genuinely felt like we wouldn't concede. I was worried to see Josh Mc in for Kamo as thought a midfield two of Josh and Sawyers would be no match for their tough tackling opponents, but it didn't prove a problem at all. I think the back five definitely suits us more and now the trick is to find a way of still creating more chances, having definitely tightened up at the back.

Special mention for Jeanvier who was a rock, ably assisted by his co defenders.

Also great atmosphere in The Mooch Bar before the game full of Bees.
 

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Do you really think we’ll bring in 3 or 4 players in Jan? Can’t see it myself

If we weren't going to lose any, then I would agree. Sadly, I think at least 2 will go, one for an awful lot of money. Bringing in 4 and losing 2 would seem about right to me, with one being a striker. I know value is not as good, so there may be a loanee in there.
 

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I can't wait to see us against Norwich, we'll be kicking the **** out of those East Anglian softies.
 

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That may be your view but I’m not convinced about that. We’ve spent the last three years under Smith playing an open, attacking style of football which has been ever-pleasing on the eye and widely lauded. But we never managed to resolve the dilemma of defending weakly, gifting soft goals and failing to grind out draws instead of narrow defeats. Yes, of course there was plenty to enjoy about the approach but we’ve been the masters of failing to see out games and tossing away points by naive defending and unnecessary blunders. We can go on like that again in the future but there was no indication under Smith that we were likely to address those areas.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the current set-up system is here for the foreseeable future. Once the shape is fully embedded, there’s absolutely no reason why the slick attacking approach we’ve enjoyed can’t be deployed, albeit with a much firmer and more resilient defensive shape. What we’ve started to see may be more than just a sticking plaster.

It's simply a trade-off. You now have one less defender and one more centre back. Which should mean less attacking threat but less risk of conceding goals. That's exactly what's happened.
As it stands we've beaten Bolton, who are dire even us at our worst may well have beaten, and got two draws, only scoring one goal, against mid-level championship teams.
It's stopped the rot, as Rebus said, but doesn't necessarily mean it's the answer to all our problems, and may simply be a conservative option that means we would get less points in the long run.
You could, for example, say we actually started improving when we started playing a centre back with experience (Jeanvier), combined with a premier league level left back coming back into our side (Henry), rather than simply due to the formation.
 

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Rare moment of agreement (myself included) ;) (especially given backdrop of inflated Jan prices)

(unless the additions aren't first-team ready players which I guess isn't what we're all talking about)

:imwith: Exactly, I mean first team starts not B team. I trust we have another striker as a priority regardless of whether Neal stays or goes and two if he goes.
 

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It's simply a trade-off. You now have one less defender and one more centre back. Which should mean less attacking threat but less risk of conceding goals. That's exactly what's happened.
As it stands we've beaten Bolton, who are dire even us at our worst may well have beaten, and got two draws, only scoring one goal, against mid-level championship teams.
It's stopped the rot, as Rebus said, but doesn't necessarily mean it's the answer to all our problems, and may simply be a conservative option that means we would get less points in the long run.
You could, for example, say we actually started improving when we started playing a centre back with experience (Jeanvier), combined with a premier league level left back coming back into our side (Henry), rather than simply due to the formation.

If we stick with the formation, I would expect our wing backs to push forward more frequently as our confidence grows. This should then see us with more options and a bit more creative up front.
 

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If we stick with the formation, I would expect our wing backs to push forward more frequently as our confidence grows. This should then see us with more options and a bit more creative up front.

Agree but we are still a bit slow to use them to start attacks IMHO. They were often in space out wide and yet more often than not it was JJ, Ezri or Yoann who received the ball from Dan. I’d like to see us mix it up and get both Moses and Rico bombing forward as often as possible
 

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Hope Neal gets his yellow recinded........dirty Brum Scum
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This is the third or fourth time Neal get a yellow for retaliation when the original incident was ignored.
Against villa he was smashed in the back of the head before he stepped on the villa player. The step was shown dozens of times which led to his ban, the smash by jedinak (?) was mentioned in passing by Smith but not shown again by sky. Versus Brum at home Harley did him right at the end, I didn't see it as was at the game but a mate watching on TV saw it. Is that also the game where he was out on the half way line ? I also remember he was concussed in a game ?

Do the club have footage of the full games ?
Can they share the footage of these incidents to a friendly forum so they can be viewed \ discussed?
 

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I reckon that's scratch marks from nails. Brum are a bunch of fanny's.

Hope Neal didn't have a radox bath last night, sting!!!!! ������

Horrible. Was that Dean by any chance?
 

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Probably, think Harlee sports blue and white acrylic nails these days, suits a tart!

Turned into a very cynical horrible cheating ****

Used to think he was a decent ball playing CB with the forward runs out of the back.

Funny to see him playing in that direct long ball outfit.
 

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If we stick with the formation, I would expect our wing backs to push forward more frequently as our confidence grows. This should then see us with more options and a bit more creative up front.

We should also see a central defender transition into a midfielder when we are in possession, driving forward with the ball as and when space develops (a midfielder would probably need to hang back as potential cover, obviously). We should look to develop this one as the greater the variety of options we have, the more the opposition need to keep thinking, and the more they have to try and cover (thus opening up gaps for midfielders, wing-backs, or centre backs driving forward).
 

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