Unlikely Brennan Johnson (Forest winger)

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No offence but playing more centrally in Lg I where you get more time in a passing side against teams who willfully give up the ball so frequently shouldn't be an indication of any potential a player has in that particular position at a much higher level of football (imo).
I do agree, but Cooper doesn’t play with 8s, he plays with a 3-4-3, so whether or not Johnson could play there at a higher level is unseen as Cooper doesn’t play that system. I hardly imagine we’d spend good money on him without having a specific position in mind for him.
 

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I do agree, but Cooper doesn’t play with 8s, he plays with a 3-4-3, so whether or not Johnson could play there at a higher level is unseen as Cooper doesn’t play that system. I hardly imagine we’d spend good money on him without having a specific position in mind for him.
I think KL-P has more potential in terms of adaptability than BJ if you're talking front 3, attacking midfield or WB.
 

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You’re comparing Johnson to Bowen who’d made 7 PL appearances, scored 52 Championship goals at a rate of nearly one every other game, was on 16 at this point in the season after 22 the one before and the loss of whom was so catastrophic that Hull went from play off contenders to relegation? Nope.
Obviously it’s only my opinion but I think in another 3 years, so at the age of 23 which was when Bowen signed for West Ham he will be better. And if we can get him for 16m it’s 4m cheaper. As I said before it’s good business imo
 
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I think KL-P has more potential in terms of adaptability than BJ if you're talking front 3, attacking midfield or WB.
The whole point of signing a right back is so we have the option of a 4 if needed, not to bring in another winger to play wing back. Both Johnson and KLP have played AM and on the wing. Johnson being able to play as an 8 with KLP up front. They’re both equally as versatile, KLP is more attacking, but I think we need a Johnson type player more.
 

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My Lincoln mate said to me last season that this guy would go right to the top.
 

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His next move will be to a Prem club and I hope it is us. Exciting young British talent, we have scouted him for a while now and apparently put in a few buds so we obviously think he is worth it. 16 million for this guy or 25 million for Chris Wood....I know which I prefer. Do t think it will happen this mo the but hoping in the summer
 

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I do agree, but Cooper doesn’t play with 8s, he plays with a 3-4-3, so whether or not Johnson could play there at a higher level is unseen as Cooper doesn’t play that system. I hardly imagine we’d spend good money on him without having a specific position in mind for him.
Just had Ghoddos and Persian Tactician on the phone...
 

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Obviously it’s only my opinion but I think in another 3 years, so at the age of 23 which was when Bowen signed for West Ham he will be better. And if we can get him for 16m it’s 4m cheaper. As I said before it’s good business imo
Bowen wasn’t worth £16m three years before West Ham bought him! If he’s as good as him in three years time and we’re still in the PL, £25m would be fine. Maybe even a bargain.
 

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My Lincoln mate said to me last season that this guy would go right to the top.
My Oxford mate said similar about Baptiste. Shandon’s been pretty good. Not £16m good though. Fosu’s done a load more for us in the Championship, at least as much as Johnson has for Forest at that level. He can barely get onto our bench when fit.
 

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Another late goal for Forest puts them 5 points from the top 6, think it'll be harder to get Johnson if they look in with a shout of the playoffs
 

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Another late goal for Forest puts them 5 points from the top 6, think it'll be harder to get Johnson if they look in with a shout of the playoffs
Forest fans are convinced he’s coming to us for a lot of money. With the amounts being spoken about, they could get 2/3 players that will improve them and have change. Personally I’m not sure how close we are or if it will happen given he played today although not that well apparently.
 

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Forest fans are convinced he’s coming to us for a lot of money. With the amounts being spoken about, they could get 2/3 players that will improve them and have change. Personally I’m not sure how close we are or if it will happen given he played today although not that well apparently.
“Head’s in the wrong place”?
 

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His next move will be to a Prem club and I hope it is us. Exciting young British talent, we have scouted him for a while now and apparently put in a few buds so we obviously think he is worth it. 16 million for this guy or 25 million for Chris Wood....I know which I prefer. Do t think it will happen this mo the but hoping in the summer
Enticing young talent with Kurupt FM,'s crop definitely the sort of forward thinking move you'd expect from BFC
 

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Some people said that when we spent 5, rising to 10 million, on a bloke called Ivan Toney from league 1. If we do end up getting him then I see no reason why we should doubt our judgement, given how successful our recruitment has been.
With due respect to people on here who don’t rate him. If it’s listening to them for their views or Phil Giles and Co. I know who’s getting my vote.
 

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We will have watched him many, many times so if we think he can improve the team I'm sure we'll push the boat out. I have only seem him a couple of times (on TV) and from what I saw he wasn't that impressive ?
 

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With due respect to people on here who don’t rate him. If it’s listening to them for their views or Phil Giles and Co. I know who’s getting my vote.
Fair enough. I would say that most haven't said they don't rate him though - the tone is more that they haven't seen enough of him to warrant those kind of £££s.

Do we know what Phil Giles and BFC think about him? Although areas of the ****terati think we have bid for him, I would expect the title of this thread to say 'strong rumour' if there was anything in this at all.
 

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Some people said that when we spent 5, rising to 10 million, on a bloke called Ivan Toney from league 1.
Did they? If they did, I didn't see that on here. However, there were plenty saying 'sod him' when they thought he didn't want to some here earlier on (wrongly).

As far as the cost was concerned, I think most thought it was a no brainer - top scorer in league 1, great finisher with an all-round game coming to the most attacking side in the championship. He was clearly worth the money and barring him getting crocked, his value was always going to increase.

I'm not sure that's such a home banker with Johnson as the numbers are far higher. Not saying it won't happen - just it doesn't appear such a no-brainer as the Toney deal.
 

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could it be a p/x???

could we have offered one of our excellent Championship players who just aren't quite Premiership ???
 

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Same here, but I know a few who were sceptical about the money we were spending, same with Ajer too.
I suspect these people were largely confined to Facebook and Twitter. I’ve stopped engaging with them as too many are trolls or act in bad faith.
 

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Except we are no longer in the Champ pleading poverty hence why premiums have gone up. Forest are doing exactly what we did with Mepham…
We had the same challenge when we sold Watkins for 35, Said for 25 and others before, we still manage not to squander the whole lot on one overpriced player for the perceived "premium". We will still get a good deal and not just crumble to the first person who puts their price up.
Sometimes you have to pay for potential. Its a risk, but it will cost you for the players potential outcome. If the football world believes there a very high chance he will be a superstar, you'll pay well over the odds
Every player we have bought in the last 10 years has been bought on the basis they have the potential to play in the premier league.
 

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Fair enough. I would say that most haven't said they don't rate him though - the tone is more that they haven't seen enough of him to warrant those kind of £££s.

Do we know what Phil Giles and BFC think about him? Although areas of the ****terati think we have bid for him, I would expect the title of this thread to say 'strong rumour' if there was anything in this at all.
Given that it’s been reported from various ITK sources in the media that the club have made two serious bids for him in the many millions. I think that must surely answer your question of what Phil Giles and BFC think about him, doesn’t it ?
 

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Given that it’s been reported from various ITK sources in the media that the club have made two serious bids for him in the many millions. I think that must surely answer your question of what Phil Giles and BFC think about him, doesn’t it ?
Let’s just get the bloody deal done I'm
Tired of this bloody window and all
The b**locks speculation frankly . I’m going for a lie down .
 

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Fair enough. I would say that most haven't said they don't rate him though - the tone is more that they haven't seen enough of him to warrant those kind of £££s.

Do we know what Phil Giles and BFC think about him? Although areas of the ****terati think we have bid for him, I would expect the title of this thread to say 'strong rumour' if there was anything in this at all.
😂😂 I wouldn’t base the likelihood of us signing a player on wether the gpg has it down as strong rumour or just rumour. There’s nothing in it because it’s not strong rumour on here?
 

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As we have extra monies this season from prem.
Coudn't we sign now for a lower fee say £12 million and loan back until end of season it is not that we are playing with wingers this season,
 

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😂😂 I wouldn’t base the likelihood of us signing a player on wether the gpg has it down as strong rumour or just rumour. There’s nothing in it because it’s not strong rumour on here?
That depends on whether you have confidence that the person that runs this board and attributes/upgrades/downgrades the 'rumour rating' is more ITK than your average poster nor not! It's the same reason no-one thought there was anything in the Eriksen rumour, until last week. Notice the change of tone on that thread in recent days.

I don't tend to think the ones that just say 'rumour' will come to anything (unless they change).
 

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That depends on whether you have confidence that the person that runs this board and attributes/upgrades/downgrades the 'rumour rating' is more ITK than your average poster nor not! It's the same reason no-one thought there was anything in the Eriksen rumour, until last week. Notice the change of tone on that thread in recent days.

I don't tend to think the ones that just say 'rumour' will come to anything (unless they change).
I’ve no doubt the people that run the board are more in the know than me. But your last point (unless they change) is what I’m getting at. If Sky for instance report tomorrow we have had a bid accepted the title will change. Sometimes that’s how it goes. Christian Erikesen is strong rumour it doesn’t mean he will sign. Johnson is just rumour, it doesn’t mean he won’t.
 

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True but there’s a point at which it becomes too much relative to the risk and return. Particularly when you look at who else we could get for the money. £18m is Ajer plus Toney- the record signings of the last two seasons, both of whom had both huge potential and delivered on the pitch from pretty much their first game. It is Wissa plus Onyeka, both of whom are more experienced at a much higher level than Johnson but after half a season are not fully up to the level consistently. It is Pontus plus Pinnock plus Raya plus Henry plus Canos. It is Mbeumo plus Benrahma plus Watkins plus Maupay plus Norgaard.

It is a huge gamble the club needs a very high % of success to make worthwhile. Johnson would need to be capable of becoming Foden or Saka good by the end of next season to be a good deal. Maybe he is. If we buy him at the prices being touted the club must think so.
I'm with you here massive gamble. Big big money for a player who hasn't exactly excelled at Championship level this season. Yes maybe big potential but many factors go into reaching that.

Just feel we could use 18million on a more ready PL player.
 

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....Johnson is a young talent who IMO would improve and thrive at BFC......hope our DOF is successful in bringing him to our club.
 

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Just a thought but as were so keen on him why aren’t other teams linked even on the back of our interest? If no one’s interested gamble and leave it to the summer when forest don’t get promoted?
 

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Some people said that when we spent 5, rising to 10 million, on a bloke called Ivan Toney from league 1. If we do end up getting him then I see no reason why we should doubt our judgement, given how successful our recruitment has been.

Really, who said that and please provide evidence
 

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....Johnson is a young talent who IMO would improve and thrive at BFC......hope our DOF is successful in bringing him to our club.
I like you but how many times have you seen him to decide he will thrive at BFC?
If it was your money and you decided he was worth £10M and the selling club said we want double, would you pay it straight Away?
 

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I think the club know we are lacking in pace going forward. We need more threat.

To sign both would be decent.
 
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