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That Canos shouldn't be attempting ****ing nutmegs in his own ****ing half.

How many times did Benrahma try it and never get any criticism for giving the ball away?

Canos wasn't good tonight and I am not arguing otherwise, but it's not his fault we didn't win.
 

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Looked in control after the first 20 against a very good side. Jensen was quality in the holding role and JDS bossing it, then we changed that and looked to be clinging on until a freak goal. Crazy subs! 😐
 

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you must be watching a different game. We were lucky to go in winning and this half except for a few long range efforts haven’t been very good at all.
No. We had 3 or 4 big chances, they had nothing of note. Yeah, we didn't boss the game but we were the better team. Unluck goal but taking DaSilva off meant we lost momentum. Bad decision from TF that.
 

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Another cock up by TF there, Canos still thinking he is playing for Norwich and Marcondes is the new Douglas with all his "unseen" work.
How TF took Josh off is unbelievable, he stays on the pitch and we win that
 

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Should of won, but I just dont understand what TF see's. How Canos gets a game over Fosu I will never know. As for the subs oh dear. We are not going up this season to many passengers.
 
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Decent performance given who we are missing but our game management was terrible. We needed that second goal. Time for Fosu as an option too as sergi is a liability at the moment. Baptiste vack would be a godsend too.
 

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I am more angry about this then then the play off final.

I have never laid into TF but tonight I am so fekkin pissed off. A total sh*t show on Saturday and tonight we are well in control at 1.0 and he takes our best 2 players off.

OK, Norwich were sh*tting lucky with a stupid deflection which could have happened anyway but as soon as we take our best players off we went from total control and only one team was ever going to score to hanging on.

f***ing waste.
 

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A fair result on the balance of play against a good side. But subs, again, wrong. De Silva often looks shot by the 70th but he looked strong tonight and he and Toney should have stayed on. And watching their goal, am I being unfair on De Raya who seemed to take an age to notice the deflection - it looked almost in slow motion before he reacted. A good keeper who is prone to lose his head.
 

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You have to look at Thomas Frank’s baffling substitutions as to why we lost momentum and ultimately 2 points .Crazy decision to take off Da Silva & Toney absolutely barking !
 

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A fair result on the balance of play against a good side. But subs, again, wrong. De Silva often looks shot by the 70th but he looked strong tonight and he and Toney should have stayed on. And watching their goal, am I being unfair on De Raya who seemed to take an age to notice the deflection - it looked almost in slow motion before he reacted. A good keeper who is prone to lose his head.
You are right; it was slo- mo.
 

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I see the knives are out for TF because of a deflected shot that was going 5 yards wide until it took a huge deflection and gave Raya no chance.

Fine margins I guess.
Knives are not out, just people stating facts - are we not allowed to give our opinions?
 

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A fair result on the balance of play against a good side. But subs, again, wrong. De Silva often looks shot by the 70th but he looked strong tonight and he and Toney should have stayed on. And watching their goal, am I being unfair on De Raya who seemed to take an age to notice the deflection - it looked almost in slow motion before he reacted. A good keeper who is prone to lose his head.

Yes you're being unfair :) no chance
 

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Draw fair result but feels like 2 points dropped in all honesty. There are some players lucky to be getting any game time at the moment (looking at you Canos and Marcondes). Could not believe he took off DaSilva not Emi 🙄
 

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....we feckin blew it....forss and Toney please.....no goals coming from anywhere else....and one isnt going to be enough for us to win games this season.
 

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Easy to blame TF for the subs but I’m guessing both JDS & IT we’re done. Last 20 it was like playing with 9 men. Passing to Bryan & Serge was the same as passing to a Norwich player. Thats their fault not TFs. The thing with Serge is I’m not sure what he’s good at. Benrahma could dribble, Mbeumo, scores & assists, just don’t really know what Serge’s strength is apart from puppyish enthusiasm.
 

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Looked like TF stuck his hand in the lottery ball bag and picked out shirt numbers for those subs.

2 points dropped, absolute joke.
 

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Norwich beat Man City last season and have pretty much the same squad minus one defender they sold I think. We should have won and Canos shouldn't be trying nutmegs in his own half but that's not a bad result with the injuries we have.

I'm torn on the subs front - we're playing on the weekend and then again next Tuesday. We can't play 11 players for 90 minutes every game without basically killing them. I would agree Fosu should be ahead of Canos this season as much as I love Sergi's passion but other than that we need to make changes just to protect the players we have. JDS and Toney are probably our most important players at the moment so I can understand trying to protect them but I also agree with the view above that today's game was there to be won and perhaps we should've left them on and seen it out. Who'd be a manager I guess...
 

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Seeing Reading blitz their way to the top of this league even harder to accept!!

TFs subs were bloody odd and annoying.

We have issues. We aren’t as good as we thought. :(
 

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We are closer to Wycombe on points than we are Reading, really bleak season ahead as it stands.
 

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Mbuemo doesn’t add anything defensively, and nothing useful going forward. So him going off would make sense.
Toney is good defending set pieces so keep him on. Dont bring Canos on, when Fosu could help us
 

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The subs all felt scripted and not based on the situation of the game. I disagree that JDS was having a good game but he was having his best 5 minutes of the match so taking him off at that point felt like a mistake as he was creating things.

1-1 is a good result against a good side. They were fortunate to equalise and we were fortunate to be ahead. This isn't the disaster many are making it out to be
 

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GPG always a bundle of laughs. Simply not enough players turned up today. Controlled the game without really coming out of 2nd gear. Drab game with little in it. Non of the front three really created anything. Midfield the same and defence did their job till the deflection.

Too easy to pick on TF or individual players.
Collectively no one played more than a 6 out of 10. Kinda says it all.
 

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FT 1-1, would've taken a draw before the game but how we've drawn that is just unbelievable.. no cutting edge in the 2nd half, terrible subs and a horrible deflection. Not looking like a team who is going to be pushing promotion right now.

We’re 2 points off the play offs in October, and we just drew at home with a team composed of Premiership players, after conceding a ridiculously fluke goal when we could have easily been 3-0 up after their keeper made worldly saves from Ivan’s header and Dalsgaard’s shot.

ITFWT
 

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Just what did substituting Forss for Toney achieve? All that happened was we lost a fantastic head at defensive set-pieces. We faced two FKs in dangerous position after Toney went off neither of which was dealt with by our defence. I am genuinely mystified by this one.

Canos for Ghoddos. OK Ghoddos may not be match fit, but name me one thing Canos did in the match other than lose possession - and the last match too. Fosu is out of favour because he doesn't do enough defensively apparently, but Canos's contribution recently has been to actively HELP the opposition get possession. As for f***ing about nutmeging playing when we need to retain possession...

Jenalt for DaSilva. I can understand Jenalt coming on, but as soon as we took off JDS we gave up on attacking. He was the one breaking the line, he was the one keeping possesion, he was the one providing us with the outlet. After JDS went off we surrendered our control of the game.

OK we were unlucky with their goal, but we were lucky in other respects. If we had made no substitutes today, we would have won.
 

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Canos and Marcondes are just nowhere near good enough to be in a promotion chasing side. More bad team selections from the head coach.
 
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If only that was the ONLY reason eh !!! Lmbo

Laugh your b***ocks off all you want, but you really are turning into the most annoying, negative, harry hindsight, know-it-all wannabe tactical genius' on this board....which really is quite an achievement.

I think we all saw in the play off semi final second leg what your opinion is worth these days.

We drew 1-1 with Norwich tonight and they were aided by one of luckiest goals you will see all season, is it really the disaster you are making it out to be?
 

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Am I the only one getting immune to this feeling

When the ball scrambled past Raya my reaction was at a post frustration phase, and the Brentford innit sarcastic smile was back
 

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Thought we played well in the end and massively unlucky to let in a ridiculously deflected goal against by far the best team we've played so far. Soaked up the pressure first 20 minutes and then played some great football. Norwich weren't really in it second half but have scored a lot of late goals so were always going to push towards the end. Dalgsaard needed to put that chance away. We got sloppy giving away stupid free kicks, Canos had a really poor game coming on, sad to say, decision making all over the shop. Otherwise I thought it was a really good team performance, worked hard, defended well, great pressing and movement off the ball and really should have got 3 points. Jensen and Henry both excellent and I thought Dalsgaard stepped up a level again tonight after such a poor game on Sat.. Can't see how anyone can blame Raya for that goal??
 

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Canos does nothing, just like Marcondes.
Poor passes, half hearted attempts to take players on etc etc
They’re both dragging us down at the moment.
Agree....if we can keep these 2 well away from the pitch we will have a great chance of actually winning games....they are not good enough for the level we want to be at and it’s sooooo fkin obvious
 

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We dont have a god given right in this league because of what happened last season. Its a reasonable point. Norwich are a strong top 6 side.

What a ridiculous thing to say, nobody thinks they have a god given right to beat anybody, but you do have a right to expect your manager not to take your best 2 players off and throw 2 points away.
 

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I was less fussed about Canos coming on than many here. However, one just ask the question what does Fosu need to do?

I was more alarmed at taking off JDS and Toney. These substitutes are when we have ‘won’ the game and 2/3 nil up not 1-0 up. Sadly, TF must face the music again. I am not in the TF out camp but he has cost us at least 4 points in the last two games.

I will find it remarkable if anyone can justify his substitutions late on. Win the game first and foremost.
 

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Just what did substituting Forss for Toney achieve? All that happened was we lost a fantastic head at defensive set-pieces. We faced two FKs in dangerous position after Toney went off neither of which was dealt with by our defence. I am genuinely mystified by this one.

Canos for Ghoddos. OK Ghoddos may not be match fit, but name me one thing Canos did in the match other than lose possession - and the last match too. Fosu is out of favour because he doesn't do enough defensively apparently, but Canos's contribution recently has been to actively HELP the opposition get possession. As for ****ing about nutmeging playing when we need to retain possession...

Jenalt for DaSilva. I can understand Jenalt coming on, but as soon as we took off JDS we gave up on attacking. He was the one breaking the line, he was the one keeping possesion, he was the one providing us with the outlet. After JDS went off we surrendered our control of the game.

OK we were unlucky with their goal, but we were lucky in other respects. If we had made no substitutes today, we would have won.
This 100% sums it up perfectly.......close thread.....end of
 

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We’re 2 points off the play offs in October, and we just drew at home with a team composed of Premiership players, after conceding a ridiculously fluke goal when we could have easily been 3-0 up after their keeper made worldly saves from Ivan’s header and Dalsgaard’s shot.

ITFWT

We’re nowhere near good enough at the moment. Being two points off the play offs means nothing at this point in the season.

Norwich aren’t a premiership side and they have one or two worthy of being in that division. That is all.

But we didn’t go 3-0 up. In fact, Norwich should’ve been ahead! Before Toney scored.

TF’s subs were poor decisions and, possibly, cost us 2 points.

Several players aren’t at the races. Canos, Marcondes and Mbeumo especially. Mbeumo I can give some leeway as it’s only his second season here. Canos is not good enough. Marcondes does nothing for 3 games and does something in 1. If that?!

We have issues. Games are now showing up those issues. We aren’t good enough.
 

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Just what did substituting Forss for Toney achieve? All that happened was we lost a fantastic head at defensive set-pieces. We faced two FKs in dangerous position after Toney went off neither of which was dealt with by our defence. I am genuinely mystified by this one.

Canos for Ghoddos. OK Ghoddos may not be match fit, but name me one thing Canos did in the match other than lose possession - and the last match too. Fosu is out of favour because he doesn't do enough defensively apparently, but Canos's contribution is to actively HELP the opposition get possession.

Jenalt for DaSilva. I can understand Jenalt coming on, but as soon as we took off JDS we gave up on attacking. He was the one breaking the line, he was the one keeping possesion, he was the one providing us with the outlet. After JDS went off we surrendered our control of the game.

OK we were unlucky with their goal, but we were lucky in other respects. If we had made no substitutes today, we would have won.

I'm not sold on Fosu tbh but I would have thought TF had plenty of time to see him last season and could have made the call in the summer if he didn't rate him and kept Zamburek around or brought someone else in. If he is now out of favour and this current version of Canos is our only alternative winger then that isn't great.
 
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