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Yes, wrong substitutions. Actually, I could see Dasilva going off as he just seemed to hit a brick wall but Forss for Toney changed nothing and Canós made us much weaker. He must have been given instructions when he came on but they can't have been play as badly as you can.

Still, it took a bad deflection and the players can take a lot of positives from that.
 

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That's an overreaction, Reading are miles ahead of anyone else seemingly based on not very much. Playoffs well within reach with a few wins and it won't take much to shoot up the table this season.
Play offs??...we don’t want them....for some reason we seem to struggle in the 235 attempts we’ve had at them.....it’s top 2 or nothing....play offs are just delaying the inevitable
 

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The substitutions affected our game and we lost control and the impetus to go forward. Fosu has to be used as a sub in the game against Luton. Canos is unfortunately affected by his injury and Marcondes does very little to get in the first 11 plus Janelt isn't Norsgard.
 

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If only that was the ONLY reason eh !!! Lmbo
Thought we played well in the end and massively unlucky to let in a ridiculously deflected goal against by far the best team we've played so far. Soaked up the pressure first 20 minutes and then played some great football. Norwich weren't really in it second half but have scored a lot of late goals so were always going to push towards the end. Dalgsaard needed to put that chance away. We got sloppy giving away stupid free kicks, Canos had a really poor game coming on, sad to say, decision making all over the shop. Otherwise I thought it was a really good team performance, worked hard, defended well, great pressing and movement off the ball and really should have got 3 points. Jensen and Henry both excellent and I thought Dalsgaard stepped up a level again tonight after such a poor game on Sat.. Can't see how anyone can blame Raya for that goal??
Spot on
Nutters will no doubt have a good old moan. No doubt the ‘sack TF’ lot will a good old moan. Just a word to the wise ‘he is going nowhere’ thank goodness
 

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We’re nowhere near good enough at the moment. Being two points off the play offs means nothing at this point in the season.

Norwich aren’t a premiership side and they have one or two worthy of being in that division. That is all.

But we didn’t go 3-0 up. In fact, Norwich should’ve been ahead! Before Toney scored.

TF’s subs were poor decisions and, possibly, cost us 2 points.

Several players aren’t at the races. Canos, Marcondes and Mbeumo especially. Mbeumo I can give some leeway as it’s only his second season here. Canos is not good enough. Marcondes does nothing for 3 games and does something in 1. If that?!

We have issues. Games are now showing up those issues. We aren’t good enough.

Norwich created very few clear chances. We created more and were completely comfortable in the second half until the subs. Even after the subs they needed a complete fluke. This league is hard and unpredictable and the eight games after lockdown when it suddenly seemed easy were a freak.
 

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Don't think you can blame Raya for that one. He was already committed. Frustrating but we did create the better chances. Whatever people say I think there is a bit of a hangover from the end of last season . Including us fans. everyone seems to be uber-grumpy at the moment.
 

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The subs were appalling. We were controlling the midfield until JDS went off. TF is overthinking the selection and subs every game and it’s costing us.

Just put the strongest team on the pitch, get the points in the bag and worry about the rest later.
 

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We’re nowhere near good enough at the moment. Being two points off the play offs means nothing at this point in the season.

Norwich aren’t a premiership side and they have one or two worthy of being in that division. That is all.

But we didn’t go 3-0 up. In fact, Norwich should’ve been ahead! Before Toney scored.

TF’s subs were poor decisions and, possibly, cost us 2 points.

Several players aren’t at the races. Canos, Marcondes and Mbeumo especially. Mbeumo I can give some leeway as it’s only his second season here. Canos is not good enough. Marcondes does nothing for 3 games and does something in 1. If that?!

We have issues. Games are now showing up those issues. We aren’t good enough.

We‘re four points off automatic promotion.
 

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I think that's a bit arrogant. They had the first 20 mins and come strong at the end of games. A draw would be fair on balance of play

I can’t think of a single save raya has had to make, Krull make a worldie from Toney, a point blank one from dalsgaard and then canos misses a great chance from a cut back.

We were home and hosed amd made bad subs that let norwich back into the game.

should have brought forss on for bryan and janelt on for EM.
 

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Good performance on the whole I doubt we will face many better sides this season. Extremely unlucky for the equaliser but we move on. Very harsh to blame Canos for the goal as the play had moved on 4 or 5 phases, and horrible slice of bad luck. Many more positives to take away than negatives. 3 points saturday an absolute much to keep the negative trolls at bay.
 

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Norwich created very few clear chances. We created more and were completely comfortable in the second half until the subs. Even after the subs they needed a complete fluke. This league is hard and unpredictable and the eight games after lockdown when it suddenly seemed easy were a freak.

They had two shots that they should’ve done better with. Plus the header. Yes, they all
Missed the target but, looking back, Norwich had opportunities as we did.
 

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How many times did Benrahma try it and never get any criticism for giving the ball away?

Canos wasn't good tonight and I am not arguing otherwise, but it's not his fault we didn't win.
Benrahma didn’t do it in his own half. He defended fairly rigorously later in his time with us.
 

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Just a thought, but does Frank need a better number two, with some fresh ideas?
 

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... everyone seems to be uber-grumpy at the moment.

To be fair, that might also be something to do with the once in a century plague we're in the middle (at start?) of.
 

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GPG always a bundle of laughs. Simply not enough players turned up today. Controlled the game without really coming out of 2nd gear. Drab game with little in it. Non of the front three really created anything. Midfield the same and defence did their job till the deflection.

Too easy to pick on TF or individual players.
Collectively no one played more than a 6 out of 10. Kinda says it all.

Not sure i'd agree...if we had held on we'd be saying how great Jensen was again, how Mbuemo got another assist, how lethal Tony is, what a Tidy player Ghoddos is, how well Sorenson played and what a beast Da Silva has become......all against a team that were in the premier league last season. We'd be in the top 6 and everyone would be getting a bit excited...

Instead baffling substitutions have turned it on its head...
 

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The reality is last season was probably the best chance to earn 5 times the amount of money we have made this summer, and get into the PL. Next year, Brexit will be a big blow for our model and mean no more Maupay's and Bemhrama at the bees, but we can dream.
 
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It’s all very well criticising the likes of canos and Marcondes but at the moment we can barely field 18 players. If Baptiste wasn’t a permanent sick note we’d have a better option. How can TF criticise Fosu’s defending when he played him at full back recently?

We just have to wait for the injured to return.
 

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They had two shots that they should’ve done better with. Plus the header. Yes, they all
Missed the target but, looking back, Norwich had opportunities as we did.

In open play after the first 20 they couldn't get anywhere at all. I think TF deserves credit for that as well as the criticism he will get for the subs.
 

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Agree....if we can keep these 2 well away from the pitch we will have a great chance of actually winning games....they are not good enough for the level we want to be at and it’s sooooo fkin obvious
...canos done his turn for our club....so i wont disrespect the fella..but his boots need hanging up...as for marcondes...well...better not state my case again...his fan club on here will only bitch about me.
 

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Hope this helps the ridiculous trolls on here tonight.
 

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They had two shots that they should’ve done better with. Plus the header. Yes, they all
Missed the target but, looking back, Norwich had opportunities as we did.

So a draw against a side that was in the Prem last season isnt a bad result then? They will be up there this season.
 

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Yes, wrong substitutions. Actually, I could see Dasilva going off as he just seemed to hit a brick wall but Forss for Toney changed nothing and Canós made us much weaker. He must have been given instructions when he came on but they can't have been play as badly as you can.

Still, it took a bad deflection and the players can take a lot of positives from that.
As much as I really, really like Canos. For some unknown reason he’s got weaker and weaker. I certainly wouldn’t start him and on today’s and other viewings, Id rather see Fosu come on As substitute. I’ll sit back and take some flack.
 

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We played well. We had the better chances and Norwich (who are a decent side IMO) will know that.

We had 3-4 clear cut chances. HD missed a sitter.

TF got the subs wrong. Plain and simple. Canos f****d up with a nutmeg and he will know it.

Our squad is thin and TF needs to trust Fosu etc.

Im as disappointed as the next fan but jesus some of you need to relax and chill out. We played well and deserved the win.
 

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The subs were appalling. We were controlling the midfield until JDS went off. TF is overthinking the selection and subs every game and it’s costing us.

Just put the strongest team on the pitch, get the points in the bag and worry about the rest later.

Yep, thought he out-thought himself on Saturday and can see why people think it again tonight. He's done a lot of good over the last two years, but he's not infallible. The worry is, with this hectic schedule, they might not get time to stop and really think about the problems and how they can be solved.

We got 12pts from our first 11 last year - we have 11 from 8 so far this season. We had one more bad run last year too. Hard to see the good run coming right now, but if various players click, we've got a chance. If not, midtable. Not a disaster.
 

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Benrahma didn’t do it in his own half. He defended fairly rigorously later in his time with us.

Benrahma absolutely did track back and defend, but he also gave the ball away on countless occasions in dangerous areas and if you are trying to suggest otherwise you are being very selective with your memory.

As I have already said Canos was very poor tonight but he was not the reason we didn't win the game.
 
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Yes, wrong substitutions. Actually, I could see Dasilva going off as he just seemed to hit a brick wall but Forss for Toney changed nothing and Canós made us much weaker. He must have been given instructions when he came on but they can't have been play as badly as you can.

Still, it took a bad deflection and the players can take a lot of positives from that.

Canos should not be ahead of Fosu at the moment.
 

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Toney has a dodgy shoulder.. Forss scored two on the weekend.. JDS maybe should have stayed on but Janelt if you decent replacement. Canos isn't good enough atm. Well done to Jensen, Toney and Sorensen who had good games.. Unlucky deflection but that's football..
 

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Norwich created very few clear chances. We created more and were completely comfortable in the second half until the subs. Even after the subs they needed a complete fluke. This league is hard and unpredictable and the eight games after lockdown when it suddenly seemed easy were a freak.
Spot on. If we'd seen that one out, we would have been comparing it (slightly unfairly, maybe!) with the Fulham victory at home last autumn, in terms of intensity and professionalism against a very good footballing side.
 

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The subs all felt scripted and not based on the situation of the game. I disagree that JDS was having a good game but he was having his best 5 minutes of the match so taking him off at that point felt like a mistake as he was creating things.

1-1 is a good result against a good side. They were fortunate to equalise and we were fortunate to be ahead. This isn't the disaster many are making it out to be

A good 5 minutes 😂😂😂

Him, Toney, Jenson mad Rico were the best 4 players on the pitch. JDS was running the game and head and shoulders above any Norwich player .
 

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We are too reliant on Toney, Mbeumo,Canos,Ghoddos don't look like scoring, and assists are low, Toney's goals are going
to dry up if he doesn't get some assistance.
 

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As much as I really, really like Canos. For some unknown reason he’s got weaker and weaker. I certainly wouldn’t start him and on today’s and other viewings, Id rather see Fosu come on As substitute. I’ll sit back and take some flack.
Dont think you'll find many arguing with that assessment to be fair. He has stagnated and running around like a puppy will only buy a certain amount of leeway and it looks like most are now running out of patience
 

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Why does there always have to be a scapegoat?

"Canos is crap"

"Frank's substitutions were awful"

We played well tonight, against a really good team, who may well be in the top two come the end of the season.

We failed to win because of a really unlucky, hugely deflected goal.
 

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At times we pulled them all over the pitch with the movement of Ghoddos, Toney, Mbuemo and Marcondes all swapping positions after we scored. There were some really positive signs there. We needed to get the second though and Marcondes, Dalsgaard and Mbuemo all had chances, with Krul making a couple of outstanding saves. We are stretched though and we have players still finding fitness and players coming back from injury.. Their goal was a complete fluke and despite the furore about the subs we didn't really look like conceding unless something like that happened. Norwich have come strong at the death in a lot of games this season so I'd image we'd have been under the cosh regardless. Think there were a load more positives from this game than negatives so don't get the bedwetting?
 

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It’s all very well criticising the likes of canos and Marcondes but at the moment we can barely field 18 players. If Baptiste wasn’t a permanent sick note we’d have a better option. How can TF criticise Fosu’s defending when he played him at full back recently?

We just have to wait for the injured to return.

Thats what makes it all the more annoying with Canos and Marcondes As they have the ability .
 

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It’s all very well criticising the likes of canos and Marcondes but at the moment we can barely field 18 players. If Baptiste wasn’t a permanent sick note we’d have a better option. How can TF criticise Fosu’s defending when he played him at full back recently?

We just have to wait for the injured to return.

Frank criticised Fosu's defending? Where? Must've missed that...

...canos done his turn for our club....so i wont disrespect the fella..but his boots need hanging up...as for marcondes...well...better not state my case again...his fan club on here will only bitch about me.

Christ alive - he's 23!

As much as I really, really like Canos. For some unknown reason he’s got weaker and weaker. I certainly wouldn’t start him and on today’s and other viewings, Id rather see Fosu come on As substitute. I’ll sit back and take some flack.

The serious knee injury he got 12 months ago might be a "known reason"...
 
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Spot on. If we'd seen that one out, we would have been comparing it (slightly unfairly, maybe!) with the Fulham victory at home last autumn, in terms of intensity and professionalism against a very good footballing side.
No we wouldn’t. We murdered Fulham and should have scored six.
 

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Some positives:
Sorensen's long throw gives us another threat.
Ghoddos is getting better with each game.
Henry, Pinnock, DaSilva, and Toney are the absolute best in the league in their positions. And it's not close.
Norwich will be top six and we were clearly better. We will finish above them.
 

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They deserved something and they got it albeit via a huge slice of luck.Norwich will be in the mix but we are still not cohesive as a team. Not sure what Marcondes did to affect the game but we have injuries and limited choice. Can someone please tell me why Bryan was selected. His performance was poor again. OK he crossed for Toney's goal but otherwise he got caught in possession and gave the ball away a lot. IMO we are carrying him.Fosu must wonder why he isn't getting a look in.
We are really missing Norgaard and mid is a bit of an issue. Can someone tell me what injury is affecting Baptiste or have we made a gamble with him which isn't paying off?
Thomas has a lot of work to do but as long as we hang onto the apron strings there's a long way to go.
 

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Mbuemo doesn’t add anything defensively, and nothing useful going forward. So him going off would make sense.
Toney is good defending set pieces so keep him on. Dont bring Canos on, when Fosu could help us
Assist?
 

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A good 5 minutes 😂😂😂

Him, Toney, Jenson mad Rico were the best 4 players on the pitch. JDS was running the game and head and shoulders above any Norwich player .
His best 5 minutes, I didn't say it was the only good things he was doing but he was bossing the game at that point. Hooking him then was a mistake
 

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We have 2 players that are not good enough for the Championship and tonight showed that again. I just dont know what TF sees in them. A couple of good points, Mads looked a lot better in a four. Jenson has shown this season what a decent player he is on a regular basis. One concern is when did anybody else score other than Toney and Forss in the league.
 

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I am more angry about this then then the play off final.

I have never laid into TF but tonight I am so fekkin pissed off. A total sh*t show on Saturday and tonight we are well in control at 1.0 and he takes our best 2 players off.

OK, Norwich were sh*tting lucky with a stupid deflection which could have happened anyway but as soon as we take our best players off we went from total control and only one team was ever going to score to hanging on.

****ing waste.

If I were you I would start worrying about that house you are threatening to give to charity, Reading have gone to Blackburn a very good
side with the leagues highest scorer and given them a bashing
 
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