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Frank criticised Fosu's defending? Where? Must've missed that...



Christ alive - he's 23!



The serious knee injury he got 12 months ago might be a "known reason"...
...and jesus wept....at that nutmeg.
 

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By taking JDS off we handed the initiative to Norwich. OK they scored a lucky goal but we lost any foot hold we had in the game. Add to that Canos adding nothing when he came on, and Marcondes not able to influence and it was almost inevitable. We have thrown 3 points away in the last 2 games through bad management no doubt. Not the sign of a team looking for a top 6 place.
 

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It’s all very well criticising the likes of canos and Marcondes but at the moment we can barely field 18 players. If Baptiste wasn’t a permanent sick note we’d have a better option. How can TF criticise Fosu’s defending when he played him at full back recently?

We just have to wait for the injured to return.

Need to bring in better players in January and try to get some out the door.
 

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With other games tomorrow we could be lower by Thursday....what is your point caller ?

That we are 4 points off automatic promotion having only played one sixth of the season.

Now please cut to ’Hey Jude’ before fading to the commercials.
 

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It’s all very well criticising the likes of canos and Marcondes but at the moment we can barely field 18 players. If Baptiste wasn’t a permanent sick note we’d have a better option. How can TF criticise Fosu’s defending when he played him at full back recently?

We just have to wait for the injured to return.
Playing full back and fulfilling your defensive obligations when playing as part of a front three are two entirely separate things.
 

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A good 5 minutes 😂😂😂

Him, Toney, Jenson mad Rico were the best 4 players on the pitch. JDS was running the game and head and shoulders above any Norwich player .
We seem to be agreeing far too much thesedays !!! I’m worried !! ;) lol. How anyone can say jds had 5 good minutes lol lol he’s had 5 bad minutes for the whole of the current fkin season and it shows those that know about football on here and those that don’t...without jds we look lost
 

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We are not firing on all cylinders by any means but nearly beat a good Norwich side who, in the first 20 mins or so, looked like they were going to roll us over. Not sure the degree to which TF's hand was forced in terms of substitutions but he sorted the threat from their wingbacks well enough. Long way to go but I feel this was a positive step forward tonight considering we are without PJ and CN. Shame about the deflection but, small margins and all. Can't understand some of the negativity here tonight, reminds me of standing on New Road in the mid-70s.
 

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No we wouldn’t. We murdered Fulham and should have scored six.
We didn't murder them, and we shouldn't have scored six. It was a tough game which we controlled with a brilliant balance of flair and discipline. We would have said similar today, although I concede (as I suggested in my post) that we weren't quite at that level. Same sort of thing though (creating good chances, playing with shape, discipline, intensity etc.)
 

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That we are 4 points off automatic promotion having only played one sixth of the season.

Now please cut to ’Hey Jude’ before fading to the commercials.
Oh, that’s ok then...nailed on for the premiership next season then...and there’s me thinking we were mid table and playing like a mid table team ;)
 

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Need to bring in better players in January and try to get some out the door.
We won't be active in the transfer market unless all the wheels come off.
 
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We didn't murder them, and we shouldn't have scored six. It was a tough game which we controlled with a brilliant balance of flair and discipline. We would have said similar today, although I concede (as I suggested in my post) that we weren't quite at that level. Same sort of thing though (creating good chances, playing with shape, discipline, intensity etc.)
We hit the post 3 times
 

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They deserved something and they got it albeit via a huge slice of luck.Norwich will be in the mix but we are still not cohesive as a team. Not sure what Marcondes did to affect the game but we have injuries and limited choice. Can someone please tell me why Bryan was selected. His performance was poor again. OK he crossed for Toney's goal but otherwise he got caught in possession and gave the ball away a lot. IMO we are carrying him.Fosu must wonder why he isn't getting a look in.
We are really missing Norgaard and mid is a bit of an issue. Can someone tell me what injury is affecting Baptiste or have we made a gamble with him which isn't paying off?
Thomas has a lot of work to do but as long as we hang onto the apron strings there's a long way to go.

Did we really miss norgaard that much tonight? Thought Jensen was superb and the midfield worked their arses off. We kept our shape very well and restricted them to long shots and free kicks and got bodies behind the ball quickly. We did give away far too many free kicks around the box but given how Norwich like to overload midfield with their full backs basically playing as second wingers I thought we did bloody well in that area. Our pressing at the beginning of the second half was excellent.. Norwich fans v relieved to get something out of the game...
 

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We seem to be agreeing far too much thesedays !!! I’m worried !! ;) lol. How anyone can say jds had 5 good minutes lol lol he’s had 5 bad minutes for the whole of the current fkin season and it shows those that know about football on here and those that don’t...without jds we look lost
With the exception of Toney, JDS is the only other starter who looks likely to score. No one else is scoring, yet he was taken off?
 

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We didn't murder them, and we shouldn't have scored six. It was a tough game which we controlled with a brilliant balance of flair and discipline. We would have said similar today, although I concede (as I suggested in my post) that we weren't quite at that level. Same sort of thing though (creating good chances, playing with shape, discipline, intensity etc.)
Tonight and Fulham were poles apart I'm afraid. We played well in spells but were lucky to be ahead and created very little in the 2nd half. Fulham we dominated for 90 minutes and even their fans reckoned it could have been 3 or 4 nil on balance of play.
 

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Canos does nothing, just like Marcondes.
Poor passes, half hearted attempts to take players on etc etc
They’re both dragging us down at the moment.
100%....and what beats me is we've offered them new contracts ??
 

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Did we really miss norgaard that much tonight? Thought Jensen was superb and the midfield worked their arses off. We kept our shape very well and restricted them to long shots and free kicks and got bodies behind the ball quickly. We did give away far too many free kicks around the box but given how Norwich like to overload midfield with their full backs basically playing as second wingers I thought we did bloody well in that area. Our pressing at the beginning of the second half was excellent.. Norwich fans v relieved to get something out of the game...
They were getting into the mid pockets unchalleged far too much. Jensen is quality with the football but that's half the task.
 
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You're certainly no mathematician NLB! ;) :ROFLMAO: You could argue that we did better today by forcing at least two good saves from Krul. (Hitting the woodwork = shot off target ;))
I honestly don’t know why you’re making such an issue of this. We are all fed up about tonight. But we played well for portions of tonight whereas we were in almost total control against Fulham at Griffin Park. Their own fans thought we should have thrashed them.
 

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Big plus points....Jensen is finally showing his class and even winning a tackle or 2 and ghoddes is getting better by the game....it’s not all bad but unfortunately we are throwing away points due to bad management and players who are clearly not good enough at this level
 

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TF has done enough for us last couple of years to deserve a little more trust than he is getting on here tonight. Just might be that the intense fixture list and niggling injuries explain the subs. It's certainly plausible. Norwich were in the prem last year, they are a good side and we only didn't win because of a lucky deflection. Irritating, sure, but no need for the nervous breakdowns!
 

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You're certainly no mathematician NLB! ;) :ROFLMAO: You could argue that we did better today by forcing at least two good saves from Krul. (Hitting the woodwork = shot off target ;))

Doesnt in my world, as a shot on the woodwork can go in. So its the target IMO.
 

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I honestly don’t know why you’re making such an issue of this. We are all fed up about tonight. But we played well for portions of tonight whereas we were in almost total control against Fulham at Griffin Park. Their own fans thought we should have thrashed them.
OK, I agree, this wasn't at that level. I've already said that. My point is that IF they hadn't fluked a deflection, we would be waxing lyrical about the professionalism of this performance in a similar way, whereas now (because of that fluke deflection) it's all about recriminations and scapegoats.
 

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If that shot deflects for a goal kick we are world beaters, getting top two, Frank is in the running for Sports personality of the year, his substitutions are spot on etc etc. It goes in and suddenly we are doomed. Perspective needed.
 

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If that shot deflects for a goal kick we are world beaters, getting top two, Frank is in the running for Sports personality of the year, his substitutions are spot on etc etc. It goes in and suddenly we are doomed. Perspective needed.

Nah i would still say his subs were poor :)
 

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I was meaning to add as the game went on, he was fading out of the game
Fair play Hayling. It was great to see him not cutting back to his left. Fooled them completely 🙂
 

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Big plus points....Jensen is finally showing his class and even winning a tackle or 2 and ghoddes is getting better by the game....it’s not all bad but unfortunately we are throwing away points due to bad management and players who are clearly not good enough at this level
...oh i see where you're goin with this ...jensen is the new vibe...joking apart...JDS CN and jensen will see us alright in a few weeks.
 

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Yes, wrong substitutions. Actually, I could see Dasilva going off as he just seemed to hit a brick wall but Forss for Toney changed nothing and Canós made us much weaker. He must have been given instructions when he came on but they can't have been play as badly as you can.

Still, it took a bad deflection and the players can take a lot of positives from that.

If Canos was given instructions, I reckon they must have been upside down.
 

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If that shot deflects for a goal kick we are world beaters, getting top two, Frank is in the running for Sports personality of the year, his substitutions are spot on etc etc. It goes in and suddenly we are doomed. Perspective needed.
A goal kick ???? You defo know your stuff eh !!! Lmbi
 

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If that shot deflects for a goal kick we are world beaters, getting top two, Frank is in the running for Sports personality of the year, his substitutions are spot on etc etc. It goes in and suddenly we are doomed. Perspective needed.
If, buts and maybe's. What I actually saw was the player running the game at 1-0 JDS taken off, replaced by Canos who unfortunately is not good enough at this level, and it showed. The initiative was handed to Norwich. Yes they scored a lucky goal but we were no longer finding a way out. The man responsible for this was TF, the same man who decided the new formation where we were cruelly exposed against Stoke on Saturday. Last 2 games were badly managed which has cost us 3 points imo. TF took the plaudits last season he must now face the music when he messes up. He needs to get a grip before this season passes us by.
 
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The WhoScored assessment is that our 3 top performers were Toney; Mbeumo; Jensen. I think Ivan and Bryan's scores are weighted by the goal and assist, Mathias has the highest shots and tackles. Aren't stats funny?
 

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Genuinely surprised at the negativity on here. I thought we played pretty well, once we realised that the game kicked off at 7.45 and not 8pm. We were certainly much better than them on the balance of play. Sickening to give away a fluke goal, but on we go. Still doing better than at this point last season, and that one didn't turn out too badly.
 

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The WhoScored assessment is that our 3 top performers were Toney; Mbeumo; Jensen. I think Ivan and Bryan's scores are weighted by the goal and assist, Mathias has the highest shots and tackles. Aren't stats funny?
I thought Rico was our MOM today by far, and Tim Krul had a fine match for Norwich, unfortunately
 

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Why does there always have to be a scapegoat?

"Canos is crap"

"Frank's substitutions were awful"

We played well tonight, against a really good team, who may well be in the top two come the end of the season.

We failed to win because of a really unlucky, hugely deflected goal.
We live in an incredibly tedious blame culture, where people can't just go with the natural ebbs and flows that life provides.
 

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Oh, so a suggestion becomes an involuntary semantic memory, in your book.
I don't know what that means. I was just wondering where you plucked the idea from. On what you based the opinion. What inside info you had on Brian Reimer.
 
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