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Weird that, I thought he gave the ball away on about 5 occasions and wasn't positive going forward.
I honestly don't expect that much from him going forward.
As a defensive midfielder, he was very good, especially in the first half.
 

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Jeez, we really have come a long way if I am this effing disappointed that we just lost to Man Utd in the Prem!!!

We should have been at least two up at half-time but weren't so were always vulnerable to a better United performance second half - they could hardly be worse than they were first half tbh.

Very frustrating!
 

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Why was there only four minutes of added on time?

It took Ronaldo more than that to drag his arse of the pitch, add that to McTominay collapsing with nobody anywhere near him on two occasions, and the age it took for them to take the corner near the end, I was expecting 5-6 minutes.

There were six subs in the second half, which is suppose to add on 30 seconds each, plus four goals, don't the refs add 30 seconds for each of these too?

That's five minutes alone.

My very poor maths would give at least seven minutes, with other timewasting.
 

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Performance was more than solid first half from what I'm hearing, only caught the last parts of it and we were entertaining, impressed with Mbeumo today, he was all over them, not so impressed with the Centre Backs, but there's only so much you can do when your put up against the most expensively assembled squad in the history of the sport.

Not going to lie, I'm getting ever so slightly annoyed with the club recently. I missed the first 30 something minutes of the game due to my ticket not working for whatever reason, they finally let me inside after ID checks and stuff, but missed a quarter of the game, and all the pre match. Shout out the ticket office, helpful as usual.

I usually sit in the West Stand as the name suggests, today was my first time in the South, atmosphere was fairly poor for a big game tbh. I know that this particular stand is an older crowd who just want to sit and watch the game, and I respect that, but I thought it was a bit odd at how eerily quiet it was, even when we scored. But this is subjective, and I won't lose sleep about it.

What really grinds my gears, is the amount of United + Neutral fans around me, like fcking come on! It shouldn't be this easy for them to get tickets like this, and it's so blatant with them still selling memberships in the middle of the season to anybody who f***ing wants one.

Also don't forget when selling these memberships, the club advertised that everybody with a membership gets priority access for a chance to buy a 22/23 ST. How will they do that with 17,000 capacity? No clue. Sort it out immediately BFC.
 
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Got worse and worse as the game drew to a close.

Weakened by Covid??
 

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I know I am fuming with other parts of tonight than the game and let me tell you I wont let go of that as it is important for all. As for the game

we just need to take our chances. We had 2 golden opportunity to be 2-0 at HT. Out of the blue they scored and that was that and before a blink it was 2-0 t them. we need player that can take the half or golden chances
 

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Why was there only four minutes of added on time?

It took Ronaldo more than that to drag his arse of the pitch, add that to McTominay collapsing with nobody anywhere near him on two occasions, and the age it took for them to take the corner near the end, I was expecting 5-6 minutes.

There were six subs in the second half, which is suppose to add on 30 seconds each, plus four goals, don't the refs add 30 seconds for each of these too?

That's five minutes alone.

My very poor maths would give at least seven minutes, with other timewasting.

Unfortunately, timewasting works. They never add on enough time.
 

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A lot of “new” faces in S101. The absolute pisstake of one guy, turning up 20/25 minutes into the first half with his kids, hauling a whacking great piece of cardboard with “Ronaldo can I have your shirt” on it. The trend of doing this grinds my gears anyway, but the blatant lack of respect for where you are sitting is criminal.

a lot of people have complained about away fans throughout the season, tbh I’ve thought it was an overreaction. Not tonight. A sizeable number of United fans and football tourists.
 

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Weird that, I thought he gave the ball away on about 5 occasions and wasn't positive going forward.
CN was decent, but he is usually magnificent so we noticed the difference. Better first half for sure.
Why was there only four minutes of added on time?

It took Ronaldo more than that to drag his arse of the pitch, add that to McTominay collapsing with nobody anywhere near him on two occasions, and the age it took for them to take the corner near the end, I was expecting 5-6 minutes.

There were six subs in the second half, which is suppose to add on 30 seconds each, plus four goals, don't the refs add 30 seconds for each of these too?

That's five minutes alone.

My very poor maths would give at least seven minutes, with other timewasting.
All that plus the fact they spent over 2 minutes celebrating each of the first two goals and idling back to the half way line at a snails pace. Also not taking corners. We were expecting at least 8.
We get a standard 5 when we are 1.0 up when there has been no lengthy injuries or goals.
Got worse and worse as the game drew to a close.

Weakened by Covid??
Who are you referring to? The only ones who have had it recently are IT and Mads S and both were excellent last night. IT was still coming back to defend in the 95th minute.
I know I am fuming with other parts of tonight than the game and let me tell you I wont let go of that as it is important for all. As for the game

we just need to take our chances. We had 2 golden opportunity to be 2-0 at HT. Out of the blue they scored and that was that and before a blink it was 2-0 t them. we need player that can take the half or golden chances.

Our lack of a scoring midfielder is a a huge issue. MJ, CN, VJ, SB etc only have 1-2 career goals between them. The last midfielders that chipped in regularly were judge, Pritchard and Dallas who could all get double figures each season,

Other than sergi nobody else other than the front 3 are going to score and when we get a chance you expect them to gently side foot it at the keeper. When rashford had the exact same chance as MJ it was lashed in the top corner before you blinked.

Even in the warm up before the game during shooting practice I watch our entire team whack shots straight at the keeper over and over and then Fernandez swing every shot just inside the post, even the hapless Fred and McT and burying them as if they are playing 5 a side versus their mates.

What can you do, a better version of Sergi would cost you 50m, a better version of BM 100m, a better version of MJ 90m. But we need to unearth someone who can give IT those chances or bury one from outside the area or inside.

The big positives tomight were a) how good we were and likely we are to win4-5 more games this season and b) IT getting a goal, up and running again and we’ll need him back in form and scoring for the next few games.
 

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A few points -

top teams target canos and we really do get exposed.
Norgaard had his worst game this season and was wrong side 4 times first half.
Toney had his best game in 4.
Jensen played well but you can’t miss the chances he missed first half.
Agree with you on all your points. We have to make do with Canos at left wing back when Henry is unfit, but I don’t think he’s up to it really, but in fairness, it’s not his natural position. I think Sorensen covered for Henry last season, when Henry was injured.
Norgaard got caught on the turn several times. If he gets his tackle in, it’s fine, but when they’re a bit mistimed......it’s probably why he gets booked a lot.
I thought there were a few good knock ons by Toney, and Mbeumo was always looking to run on to them. They both played well.
We had a few good chances in the first half, and as usual, missing them is costing us a lot. Jensen also had a good chance in the second half when put through by Mbeumo, but shot straight at the keeper who positioned himself well. Nevertheless Jensen played well and got himself into good positions. I was quite surprised with his shot from the half way line- I didn’t think he could reach!
 

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Just putting this out there...

If Ghoddos had been allowed to play the attacking role Jensen was last night, would he have fared better? Jensen's positioning looked more in line with what Ghoddos was signed for.

He would certainly have got better shots away. The question would be if he would have got in those positions to begin with.
 

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Shame.
The points should've been in the bag by H-T.
But the all-important question is ....
... was that really Gram Parsons' "Return of the Grievous Angel" that was played at half-time?
 

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Shame all the chances fell to jensen as DDG didn’t need to work that hard to save them.

encouraging performance but we need to improve our finishing or this season will go down to the wire
 

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Shame.
The points should've been in the bag by H-T.
But the all-important question is ....
... was that really Gram Parsons' "Return of the Grievous Angel" that was played at half-time?
Yep. Said to my mate that I would put money on it being the first time it had ever been played at a Premier League stadium. There is speculation on another thread that - along with Waiting for the Man which was played at the other end of HT - it might have been an MB hint of some sort.
 

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Mbeumo is pretty rapid but was probably surprised, as I was, by Dalot's pace. What did stand out was Norgaard's lack of pace as Fernandes outstripped him for the second. I guess speed of thought and reaction over a couple of yards is important in the role he generally plays (a bit like Sheringham or Nigel Clough at the other end of the pitch, back in the day) rather than sprint speed over ten-twenty yards.
Even so, Mbeumo and Rico are the only players who are speedy, Canos is quick but I wouldn't say he is fast, same for Roerslev
 

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I loved the effort in the first half - best I've seen Brentford play in a long time. That said, I think the club needs to open up the purse strings and pay the big money for 2-3 quality players to give the team that "killer edge" to convert chances into goals. I don't think this is the time for Brentford to waste this Jan transfer window, to roll the dice on untested talent like Keane Lewis-Potter or Brennan Johnson. Christian Eriksen is definitely the quality the team should be looking to bring in.

I also think the defence needs serious sorting out - 10 goals conceded in 3 games is worrying form.

Hoping that somewhere between now and the end of the season, Brentford can find 4-5 wins to stay up. I said before the season started that I'd be happy with 17th and I'm still sticking to that.
 

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Why was there only four minutes of added on time?

It took Ronaldo more than that to drag his arse of the pitch, add that to McTominay collapsing with nobody anywhere near him on two occasions, and the age it took for them to take the corner near the end, I was expecting 5-6 minutes.

There were six subs in the second half, which is suppose to add on 30 seconds each, plus four goals, don't the refs add 30 seconds for each of these too?

That's five minutes alone.

My very poor maths would give at least seven minutes, with other timewasting.
My throughts as well, we wouldn’t have got two goals back and they might have picked us off again as we threw players forward.
However nonsense 4 minutes as on top of your calls the bloke was allowed a couple of minutes to tie his laces as well and another one sparko on the floor in last ten minutes and needed treatment but then got straight up and took a corner despite appearing to have risen from the dead.
Weak refereeing throughout again in what should have been a really easy game to ref
 

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Left feeling deflated because it was very possible that we should have won that game and yet again came away with nothing and not even a close scoreline to mull over.

The second goal was very poor from Pontus and actually CN who should have brought down Fernandes who was clearly running past him for a flick on, it would have been a yellow on the halfway line. Pontus was at least 5 yards from Ronaldo when that ball comes into him he has to concede that first touch and hold his position, he doesn't - he moves to meet him but the chest pass catches him out and that movement forward has meant he doesn't have the pace needed to catch Fernandes. Ajer probably gets him. Both players CN and PJ should see what is coming. Picture attached.

Some desperately poor finishing and bad luck in that flurry of first half chances, reminding me of the Man City game. Against these sides you cannot spurn all of those chances, Janelt was guilty a couple of times too. But we keep doing it. Then go 2-3 games with very little chances.

Thought United were fairly average. CN kept being late to the second ball and then committing himself desperately into a tackle that Mctominay just walked round, our players go through patches in games where they don't seem to think that the space they are occupying at that moment is the best decision. You can't win every ball and tackle.

Yes, we have more points than i expected at the start of the season but i have a growing sense that our apparent 'safety' and not being in relegation battle is going to catch up with us. With the amount of games we have played now, we are in a very exposed position.
 

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Ronaldo chucking a massive strop after being substituted.

Champagne moment right there.
I feel for the guy, no wonder he was upset. Despite everything he has achieved in football from 5 Ballon d'Ors to Champions League wins and international honours, one dream still eludes him....

.....scoring against the Bees
 

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As a team, I thought United were dreadful. They are relying on the individual brilliance of their keeper and clinical attacking threats. But defensively I can’t think of anybody worse we’ve played.

So very frustrating to leave with nothing. We paid big time for not taking our chances.

Wolves will be much tougher this weekend and I we need to show up like we have done against the bigger teams. We can do it. Need to capitalise now.
 

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Wondering if we could bring in a specialist attacking coach without annoying Thomas to much. Remember Jensen burying a ball in the net last season when he knew he'd been flagged offside and the whole team (maybe not VJ) look like they could do with a bit of practice in the 'putting your laces through it's department.Wasn't Harry Maguire awful when he came on.
 

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Chances, chances , chances - not taken at home games!! If we look back - Brighton 3 or 4 in the first half, Chelsea, second half too many to count and zero points to show.
The big question is will Thomas have any hair left come May??

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I loved the effort in the first half - best I've seen Brentford play in a long time. That said, I think the club needs to open up the purse strings and pay the big money for 2-3 quality players to give the team that "killer edge" to convert chances into goals. I don't think this is the time for Brentford to waste this Jan transfer window, to roll the dice on untested talent like Keane Lewis-Potter or Brennan Johnson. Christian Eriksen is definitely the quality the team should be looking to bring in.
My be a good idea to do some revision on our approach to transfers! ;)
 

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My be a good idea to do some revision on our approach to transfers! ;)
No, I know that the club policy is to buy young untested talent and to give them a platform to succeed before the club sells them off for a whacking great profit. However, that was when the club was in the Championship. Brentford are now in the Premier League and I think when the situation changes, you change your process. Otherwise Brentford becomes another yo-yo club and I'd love to avoid that.

As John Maynard Keynes once said "When the facts change, I change my mind"
 
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Just putting this out there...

If Ghoddos had been allowed to play the attacking role Jensen was last night, would he have fared better? Jensen's positioning looked more in line with what Ghoddos was signed for.

He would certainly have got better shots away. The question would be if he would have got in those positions to begin with.
Agree with you there we finally looked like tha handbrake came off and were not soaking pressure up for 80 mins plus. Jensen showed what a good creator he was shame chances fell to him but was instrumental in them anyway. Has his faults but how many other midfielders of ours are scoring pots of goals or getting anywhere near!
 

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Best attacking performance by us for a while, finishing has never been Jensen's strong point but his all round play was much better last night. Thought the keeper made us look more confident overall. We looked like showing them too much respect at one point but when we got among them they didnt like it

Unfortunately they took their chances very well. I thought McTominay played very well too and Norgaard had one of his weakest games for a while.

Keep playing like last night and making the chances and we will be fine
 

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There were times last night where I thought that the centre of our midfield was being over run, out wide we were ok with Roslev Canos Soresen and Pinnock coping well. Not sure how but Janson needs help/protection because of his lack of pace. Is it time to give him a rest.
 
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No, I know that the club policy is to buy young untested talent and to give them a platform to succeed before the club sells them off for a whacking great profit. However, that was when the club was in the Championship. Brentford are now in the Premier League and I think when the situation changes, you change your process. Otherwise Brentford becomes another yo-yo club and I'd love to avoid that.

As John Maynard Keynes once said "When the facts change, I change my mind"

We have only been in the Prem half a season; we are still by some distance the lowest budget club in the league.

The facts are still a long way from changing.
 

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As others have said we should have been in front with the chances not taken in the first half. United's defence was particularly shaky but their superiority in technique and skill in midfield and goal scoring ability eventually saw them as winners. We do lack that midfielder who can contribute to goals at present (JDS aside) but unfortunately we are now in the top league where money talks. Roll on Saturday and get behind the BOYS AGAIN and never forget where came from and still are proudly A BUS STOP IN HOUNSLOW.
 

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A lot to be proud of last night. OK, the result wasn't what we wanted, but there were some really decent performances. Mentions go to Bryan and Ivan up top. their CB's will know that they've been in a game this morning. Jensen was as aggressive as I can remember him being. If only he could have slotted those couple away. MBS is looking better all the time. Must be knocking on the door. Sergi, who I love, isn't a wingback at this level. Mads on the other side is young and the consistency will come. Also, I'm wondering if the constant chopping and changing is not helping? I know we have had injuries, covid, etc. but maybe a more settled starting 11 is where we need to be. Much like Burnley in previous seasons? Just a thought.
 

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We need a midfielder who can drive forward with the ball, missing desperately JDS, just like McTominay did in the 2nd last night. This would bring our wingbacks into play and create chances for our front men.
 

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A lot to be proud of last night. OK, the result wasn't what we wanted, but there were some really decent performances. Mentions go to Bryan and Ivan up top. their CB's will know that they've been in a game this morning. Jensen was as aggressive as I can remember him being. If only he could have slotted those couple away. MBS is looking better all the time. Must be knocking on the door. Sergi, who I love, isn't a wingback at this level. Mads on the other side is young and the consistency will come. Also, I'm wondering if the constant chopping and changing is not helping? I know we have had injuries, covid, etc. but maybe a more settled starting 11 is where we need to be. Much like Burnley in previous seasons? Just a thought.
Has there been much chopping and changing, apart from Jensen, Baptiste & Onyeka. Others have been injury purposes.
 

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Yep. Said to my mate that I would put money on it being the first time it had ever been played at a Premier League stadium. There is speculation on another thread that - along with Waiting for the Man which was played at the other end of HT - it might have been an MB hint of some sort.
Benham picks the first song at HT and no others, as far as I am aware. @Banana can you confirm or deny?
 

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We need a midfielder who can drive forward with the ball, missing desperately JDS, just like McTominay did in the 2nd last night. This would bring our wingbacks into play and create chances for our front men.
Ladies and gentlemen......introducing Myles Peart-Harris:

 

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Has there been much chopping and changing, apart from Jensen, Baptiste & Onyeka. Others have been injury purposes.
You make a good point. Thinking about it, do we have cohesion in the middle of the park? CN and VJ are shoe in's. I wonder if there was a settled midfield 3, would we be more dominant?
 

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Interesting shots stats, total/on target:
Jensen 5/3
Toney 4/2
Pinnock 3/2
Janelt 3/1

interesting, Mbeumo 0/0. I think we needed to him in there and that may've made the difference.
 

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Rashfords goal and jensens first chance were very similar, apart from the finish. Jensen needs to put his foot through it rather than trying to be cute, hes got the technique to strike the ball well, hopefully a lesson learnt
 
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