Final Score Brentford 1 (Toney) Wolves 2 Att 16,982 Plus Drone

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Don't think Lossl has made any mistakes of note thus far. Fernandez made many. Don't understand how Lossl is the problem when we can't keep the ball, can't feed our strikers and can't defend.
He hasn't made many mistakes, but he hasn't made many saves either! His positioning for their second didn't look perfect to me. Still prefer him to Alvaro though; his rush from goal to clear in the first half was good. I do feel we're not looking after the ball well enough at the moment.
 

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Echo's of the 1992 season where it was our first season in Div 2(now the Championship) and we did well up to Christmas then fell apart and were relegated on the final day. I dearly pray we can bolster the squad with quality and have a rethink on formation.
Yes I am thinking the same.
 

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IMHO.........When the clash of heads happened, we should have had Mads Beck and Ghoddos come on and left Sergi on the right......it all went to pot after that.......and why oh why do defenders not face up to the ball,always turning their back.........jeez balls now days are like balloons.
Something needs to change........still say 4-3-1-2 or 3-4-1-2 to give Ivan more support.
 

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Shame. We are losing right now to teams that simply have the class and experience.

I am sick of Pinnock and Janson just smashing the ball up the pitch without any consideration. More so Janson. The ball just comes straight back every time.
 

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Poor game to lose. It won't define our season, BUT...

-We are shipping goals for fun - 12 in last 4 games. Except it's not much fun.
-confidence is draining.
-We have Man C (A) and Arsenal (A) in the next 3 league games - that's going to do our goal difference no good at all.

What WILL define our season I think is the next 6 games. The other 4 teams we play are Palace , Newcastle, Norwich & Burnley. 3 of those games are at HOME.

Although none are 'must win,' if we don't at least get 6 points from those 4 games, we are in serious trouble. We simply HAVE top beat those teams below us from now on, to avoid the gap closing. If we don't, I think the levels of confidence will drop further and panic sets in.

Can we PLEASE drop conceding stupid goals and set up a midfield that doesn't get passed by in practically every game.
Trust me, these ARE must win games. We won't stay up from credible performances against the big boys, we need points on the board.

We cannot be taking 1 or 3 points in two games off the teams around us, because unfortunately we aren't going to get many points elsewhere.
 

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What a mess of a game thanks to a head clash, a drone and some bloke in black masquerading vaguely as a referee. Shamble fecks. I’m raging.

Add a sending off that wasn't and two substitutes that hung around for a few minutes.
 

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Hugely unlucky today IMO. Sure, there were things we might have done differently but if anyone doesn't think we were massively disrupted by the clash of heads and drone they are deluded!

And then there was the shambles that was the ref!!!!!
Both teams suffered the stoppages ??
 

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Siting feeling miserable at Clapham. I agree that up until the clash of heads we were the only team in it. The drone didn't help either but was the same for both teams. They dominated after the restart. Second half we were poor let's face it. They played around us for the two goals and although I was at the opposite end of the pitch, didn't really look like Lossle was at fault.
cracking equaliser but apart from that, thought we looked devoid of ideas. Baptiste totally off the pace. Norgaard unusually panicky but it's the aimless passing around at the back without end product that does me.
mid I'm being honest, I don't think we're good enough and are now seriously in a relegation fight. We really needed at least a point today. We need some new personnel as well as Raya back but I honestly can't see us acquiring the new players we need. Thought the atmosphere was pretty okay especially with all of the disruptions.
Good job there's a break now. I'm not especially hopeful we'll get another 12 points - I know I'm pessimistic but the games v Norwich, Burnley and Newcastle are going to be massive!!!
 

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Don't think Lossl has made any mistakes of note thus far. Fernandez made many. Don't understand how Lossl is the problem when we can't keep the ball, can't feed our strikers and can't defend.
Certainly hasn't made many saves and from where I was looked like he threw that 2nd goal in and the 1st one didn't look much better
 

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Shame. We are losing right now to teams that simply have the class and experience.

I am sick of Pinnock and Janson just smashing the ball up the pitch without any consideration. More so Janson. The ball just comes straight back every time.
We have no movement or support for players with the ball what else do you expect, plus ivan is really struggling to control and hold the ball up
 

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Certainly hasn't made many saves and from where I was looked like he threw that 2nd goal in and the 1st one didn't look much better
Had no chance with the first, but his positioning looked a bit dodgy for the second. I attach more blame to the defenders though, for not closing down players on the edge of the box with more urgency.
 

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Don't think Lossl has made any mistakes of note thus far. Fernandez made many. Don't understand how Lossl is the problem when we can't keep the ball, can't feed our strikers and can't defend.
Today is the second match in succession that I've heard a commentator say of Lössl, after we have conceded, that he might have made a better effort at preventing the goal. The other time was for the first Manchester United goal.

Fernandez has made some superb saves, and I don't offhand recall him gifting a goal to the opposition by making a mistake (apart from that shambolic third goal against Southampton).

As regards your "we can't keep the ball..." comment, we have played quite well for long stretches of games. The problem has been second-half collapses after conceding the first goal.
 

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So much has to change. A 5-3-2 isn’t the one for us,constantly limits our attacking ability whilst conceding regardless. Getting caught on the break constantly. We can’t press in the shape because everyone’s so deep meaning teams can come onto us easier. Just isn’t working out one bit.
 

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I'm going to do everything in my power to forget that game ever happened. Otherwise I'm going to break out in furious rants for the foreseeable future thinking about the refereeing performance.
 

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Today is the second match in succession that I've heard a commentator say of Lössl, after we have conceded, that he might have made a better effort at preventing the goal. The other time was for the first Manchester United goal.
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Fernandez has made some superb saves, and I don't offhand recall him gifting a goal to the opposition by making a mistake.

As regards your "we can't keep the ball..." comment, we have played quite well for long stretches of games. The problem has been second-half collapses after conceding the first goal.
Dropping Fernandez felt like a panic decision when there were far more pressing problems further up the pitch.
 

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Main problem for me is midfield. Those two goals from 20 yards out had no challenge - like they were in slow motion. Lack of creativity. Norgaard been off the pace for a while.
 

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We have no movement or support for players with the ball what else do you expect, plus ivan is really struggling to control and hold the ball up
I agree and disagree. The hoof ball is pointless because we DO have outlet options. Ajer and Bryan showed that so well. We need more of that. Meanwhile high balls to Toney are doubly useless because he’s facing excellent centrebacks every week. I’m glad he scored …… he’s ploughed a lonely furrow with bugger all service except……. Bryan from the wing. Ergo my first point is doubly valid.
 

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Main problem for me is midfield. Those two goals from 20 yards out had no challenge - like they were in slow motion. Lack of creativity. Norgaard been off the pace for a while.
It’s because we are so deep. Teams then push us further back and hey presto a shot from the edge of the box.
 

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We gave it a good go, particularly before the collision, which I thought then knocked us off our stride.
Thereafter it was noticeable that Wolves had a fair bit more quality.
No criticizing our commitment, but it's obvious we need to make a couple of quality signings to improve us ..... otherwise we may be sinking fast!
COYB's :hat:
 

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The match was live on dstv here in South Africa.

If anyone thought the Premiership was a cake-walk during late summer or early Autumn they won't now.

The reality is we are now in a full-on relegation battle.

Lots of positives however more negatives.

The biggest imperative is to magic a way of creating chances for our two strikers.
 

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Started well. The clash of heads affected us. Didn't gain any momentum really after that. Toney with a cracking goal but really poor second goal to give away as we had so many players in and around the box that we should have done better. Keeper has to save it.

Our biggest problem is that in our last 9 league games we haven't scored first. Won a couple of those and drew a couple but we always gives ourselves a mountain to climb.

I am not sure what Mads Bech did to be dropped. Senior players need to stand up and let's go back to 4-3-3.

At this stage, I am worried but not completely pulling out my hair - I'd rather have points on board than games in hand but we are being sucked into that battle, make no mistake about it. The next two home games against Palace and Newcastle are huge.
 

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Just got back. Like Wednesday I thought we played quite well, no lack of effort, organisation or confidence imo. The problem is simply a lack of quality. They ruthlessly exploited a couple of half chances after excellent moves involving very precise passing. Something our players are just a bit too slow in thought to pull off. But we always fight and still look a better team than the others down the bottom so I'm keeping positive, and hoping the transfer window may bring more reasons to be cheerful.

Also, I generally find criticism of referees tedious in the extreme but this one was just an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment.
 

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Just got back. Like Wednesday I thought we played quite well, no lack of effort, organisation or confidence imo. The problem is simply a lack of quality. They ruthlessly exploited a couple of half chances after excellent moves involving very precise passing. Something our players are just a bit too slow in thought to pull off. But we always fight and still look a better team than the others down the bottom so I'm keeping positive, and hoping the transfer window may bring more reasons to be cheerful.

Also, I generally find criticism of referees tedious in the extreme but this one was just an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment.
I’m trying to stay positive, especially as I’ve had to watch the last three games in isolation. But I can’t agree with the first point, we didn’t play well. We chased shadows for 70mins of that game.
 

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Wolves manager much braver than TF bring on a forward to win the game which they did! Franks should’ve reacted to that sub , felt sorry for Canos on the left side, totally wasted! Never mind nice little break coming up for the lads COYB
 

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He hasn't made many mistakes, but he hasn't made many saves either! His positioning for their second didn't look perfect to me. Still prefer him to Alvaro though; his rush from goal to clear in the first half was good. I do feel we're not looking after the ball well enough at the moment.
His marshalling of the defence is miles better than Fernandez. Shot stopping not so much. We need a keeper with both strengths...David Raya anyone?
 

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Had no chance with the first, but his positioning looked a bit dodgy for the second. I attach more blame to the defenders though, for not closing down players on the edge of the box with more urgency.
Well maybe if he'd gone the right way for the 1st
 

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First 30 mins we were excellent.. then the horrific incident happened.. we lost focus and sadly Wolves continued this with an early second half goal.. we got back into the game with a lovely Toney strike but horrid defending cost us yet again . Glad for the international break.. hopefully Giles has a few players up his sleeve as this squad needs a lift.
 

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Wolves manager much braver than TF bring on a forward to win the game which they did! Franks should’ve reacted to that sub , felt sorry for Canos on the left side, totally wasted! Never mind nice little break coming up for the lads COYB

I’m not sure if you actually watched the game but he brought on Wissa and Forrs.
And I love Sergi, but it is criminal that he is starting at wing back in the Premier League.
 

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That clash of heads totally disrupted our rhythm. We were playing really playing and had Wolves guessing. Annoying result in the circumstances.
However, a bit of perspective. The last time I saw Tony Roberts in a football ground was that awful night at Dagenham. How far we have come since then. So bloody proud to be a Brentford fan. What a feeling
 

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Wolves manager much braver than TF bring on a forward to win the game which they did! Franks should’ve reacted to that sub , felt sorry for Canos on the left side, totally wasted! Never mind nice little break coming up for the lads COYB
Did you see how many attacking changes he made. He was brave, he subbed his two subs.

We were just poor all round today.
 

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The Wolves midfield was far superior to ours today. They are a good side. Better than Man Utd in my view. To thrive we need more quality in the centre of the park. We have plenty of willing workers but we lack that extra level which Premier League £££s gets you.
 

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we seem to have forgotten to close players with the ball down, wolves had so much time on the ball around the box today it was ridiculous
 

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I agree and disagree. The hoof ball is pointless because we DO have outlet options. Ajer and Bryan showed that so well. We need more of that. Meanwhile high balls to Toney are doubly useless because he’s facing excellent centrebacks every week. I’m glad he scored …… he’s ploughed a lonely furrow with bugger all service except……. Bryan from the wing. Ergo my first point is doubly valid.
Ivan also lacks support from the refs he takes a battering most games
 

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.....Brentford 2 Telford 0.
 

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we seem to have forgotten to close players with the ball down, wolves had so much time on the ball around the box today it was ridiculous
Again it’s because we sit too deep. Moutinho and Neves had a field day.
 
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