Post Match Thread Brentford 2-1 QPR

[WarrenBee]

I had to work this evening, so I've only just seen it. That was what I call a rolled up sleeves performance! Nice to see that Toney won't be bullied and is happy to put in a shift and a half! WTF, was Warburton on about at the end?

 

[jlove]

Jensen, once again, bossed things after he came on

I may have been mistaken but I thought, when he got into a tangle with Dykes around the centre circle, he quite deliberately landed knee-first on him. It was all over quite quickly and I've not re-seen it but it may have been retribution for something that happened a few moments earlier.

 

[alexcavell]

Looking at it objectively, I'm not a fan of the 5-sub rule, but it certainly won it for us tonight. Dasilva didn't look fit and we missed Jansson, so being able to change those things nice and early was key. And considering how well the extra subs worked for us in last season's restart, it could be something that really helps us in the months ahead.

It's a good sign that we're winning games without appearing to play at our best. Toney and Forss both look like they can score goals out of nothing, so we're OK even if the service isn't as good as last season. Also Jensen was great again when he came on, and hopefully he's now finding the consistency that was lacking. If we can find some more gears and a couple of players in January, then things are looking good!

 

[Banana]

Would seem so from Thomas's comments.

Said that Henrik needed to come off, yet wanted to bring on Pontus. Therefore sacrificed JDS.

He could have just subbed Henrik...not sure for whom though.

 

[Oceanbee]

We are a different team/different style this season with more grit, more grinding out results. wearing others down as a game progresses.

Tonight was a great example of this. We resisted them coming at us, and as the game went on, we came back in to control it.

It’s not so obviously glamorous, not so WOW! But it’s proving to be surprisingly successful.
I like the fact that we’ve discovered another gritty tough player in Janelt. Well taken goal, and I’d love to see him and Norgaard together. They would break up a lot of attacks.

Toney is everywhere, defending one minute and scoring the next. That was a great squad performance overall.
Once again we sent Quite Pathetic Really back to wherever they come from, with the Breadman moaning about everything.

This is a new Brentford, and I’m amazed by the number and amount of criticisms on here during the first half. It’s not going to always be obviously glamorous football, but perhaps it’s just going to prove more effective than last year as the season goes on.

As Toney summed up at the end, "I just put them in the net, but it’s thanks to the hard work of the rest of the team, their support and that of the manager, that I can do It."

And the stats don’t lie! May not seem like it, but this is our best start at this level for 86 years, since on 15th November 1934 we were 3rd in the old Second Division with the modern equivalent of 27 points after 14 games. Above us in 2nd, Manchester United, and top, Bolton Wanderers!
Three clubs that have had entirely different journeys since then.

 

[martinlofnes]

janelt is some player! as has been said on here before be interesting to see him and Christian play together. May allow Christian to play slightly more offensive which will help the whole team play higher up the pitch and cause the opposition some tactical challenges.

I hadn't thought of the two of them playing together. I cant see us playing with two defensive minded midfielders

 

[taxi driver]

Very pleased with how comfortable we have looked closing out the last couple of games
We could have held on to possession a little better tonight but we didn't really look like conceding late on.

 

[vcmazz]

Sadly too good to go down.

Relax. All teams raise their game in the cup final. (Well, except Brentford of course).

 

[Invipai]

QPR won't go down, but in a division which is increasingly 'frustrate/time waste to a result', then teams that try and attack us are probably good for us. I'd rather play QPR than a Warnock/Karanka/Rowett/Harris/Pulis/Houghton/O'Neill side...the division is getting full of them so let's keep QPR around. At least they gave us a good game today.

 

[stuhughes]

We are a classier bus stop in Hounslow now we've moved a mile down the road towards Chiswick, but West London remains red. All the action and reaction in the Bees Bulletin podcast, which has just dropped: Brentford V QPR | Bees Bulletin

 

[upnorthbee]

Have to admit I was impressed with QPR, probably the best they've looked in 10 years. Having said that, we again weren't at our best and I think deserved winners in the end. Mads probably should have seen red, but I think their defender could have also been sent off for 2nd yellow first half, and I believe Toney's "first" goal could have been given.

Massive shout outs to Bryan, Emiliano and Rico who I thought had excellent games. MJ looked decent when he came on, and I thought Fosu looked neat on the ball at times (a bit light weight tho too). MOM for me has to go to Toney though. Probably the most all rounded CF we've ever had, and a player who you love when he plays for you, and hate when he plays against. He's got a bit of the Zlatan's about him, his personality and confidence, plus he's not a bad footballer either.

Let's face it, we're just warming up. I think left wing and right back are still weaker than they should be as we're going for promotion. Getting Vitaly, JDS and CN in the middle together will be the best midfield we've ever had. I'd still like us to pass the ball more but I think this team will keep growing in confidence.

 

[EGHAM_BEE]

It was a long long night and glad I had the cricket to keep me occupied. Good win against a decent QPR side and things starting to come together. Will be great when CN is back as it will give more options. Up to 4th and the next 4 games all very winable. You Bees!!

 

[moribee]

Is the Warbs rant about 200 fans in the ground a spoof or did he really say that.

 

[Banana]

Is the Warbs rant about 200 fans in the ground a spoof or did he really say that.

Nah it was actually Mike Yarwood.

 

[moribee]

Nah it was actually Mike Yarwood.

I didnt know if it had been dubbed.

 

[Leedsbee]

Maybe taking off Henrik was a bit of a crossing the Rubicon moment for Thomas. He's clearly knackered but for me has been the weakest player in the back four all season. Always harder to drop a senior,respected player and captain last night but their goal wasn't the first time he's lost track of where the opposition was this season. No real options at right back at the moment but what a team we'd be if Rico had a right footed twin brother.

 

[Herbert]

Sadly too good to go down.

Wouldnt take too much to turn it round.

When samuel goes, thatll be a big loss.

 

[Delbee]

Let's face it, we're just warming up. I think left wing and right back are still weaker than they should be as we're going for promotion. Getting Vitaly, JDS and CN in the middle together will be the best midfield we've ever had. I'd still like us to pass the ball more but I think this team will keep growing in confidence.

I really do like your midfield and now with the extra subs allowed it gives Thomas more room for changes if required

To me it looks like Thomas really knows how to use the 5 sub rule . There’s not many of us that could see the coming of the halftime subs but they worked . Playing a flexible 5 at the back worked well with Jansson as the middle CB . QPR in the first half caused a few problems in the middle when they attacked which Jansson coped well with . With all Warburton ranting it’s a wonder he didn’t complain about not getting a penalty when Pontus was laying on the ball

 

[hanworthbee]

could do with some of the rest of the team chipping in with some goals

 

[abellbee]

QPR are exactly where we were under Warburton, pleasing on the eye, incisive going forward but always likely to concede. After all these years he hasn't changed 1 thing from his philosophy, which given his lack of success at any of the clubs he's been at since smacks of either arrogance or lack of technical nous, I think the latter.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

could do with some of the rest of the team chipping in with some goals

Like last night?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

QPR are exactly where we were under Warburton, pleasing on the eye, incisive going forward but always likely to concede. After all these years he hasn't changed 1 thing from his philosophy, which given his lack of success at any of the clubs he's been at since smacks of either arrogance or lack of technical nous, I think the latter.

They are nowhere near as good as us under Warburton. His mate's lad wouldn't be anywhere near our team.

 

[Banana]

His mate's lad wouldn't be anywhere near our team.

Who is that?

 

[Banana]

They are nowhere near as good as us under Warburton. His mate's lad wouldn't be anywhere near our team.

He did try and get his offspring to replace P Gilham as Player Liaison though. Didn't go down well from what I heard!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Dominic Ball whose dad worked with Warburton at Watford. Was with him at Rangers too.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

He did try and get his offspring to replace P Gilham as Player Liaison though. Didn't go down well from what I heard!

Wasnt his daughter connected to the agency all of the players came through? Plus of course his son was on our books too.

 

[hanworthbee]

Like last night?

Exactly need more goals from midfielders...

 

[Kingston Bee]

Dominic Ball whose dad worked with Warburton at Watford. Was with him at Rangers too.

Agree, he is not good enough at this level. Still not our problem anymore. Looking at Warburton last night just highlighted to me how much we have moved on, Thomas is head and shoulders above him, his after match interviews a lot more balanced.

 

[hanworthbee]

Warbs loves a bit of nepotism

 

[Banana]

Wasnt his daughter connected to the agency all of the players came through? Plus of course his son was on our books too.

Yep

 

[Oxford Bee]

Is the Warbs rant about 200 fans in the ground a spoof or did he really say that.

Who were these 'fans' in the stadium?

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

We are a different team/different style this season with more grit, more grinding out results. wearing others down as a game progresses.

Tonight was a great example of this. We resisted them coming at us, and as the game went on, we came back in to control it.

It’s not so obviously glamorous, not so WOW! But it’s proving to be surprisingly successful.
I like the fact that we’ve discovered another gritty tough player in Janelt. Well taken goal, and I’d love to see him and Norgaard together. They would break up a lot of attacks.

Toney is everywhere, defending one minute and scoring the next. That was a great squad performance overall.
Once again we sent Quite Pathetic Really back to wherever they come from, with the Breadman moaning about everything.

This is a new Brentford, and I’m amazed by the number and amount of criticisms on here during the first half. It’s not going to always be obviously glamorous football, but perhaps it’s just going to prove more effective than last year as the season goes on.

As Toney summed up at the end, "I just put them in the net, but it’s thanks to the hard work of the rest of the team, their support and that of the manager, that I can do It."

And the stats don’t lie! May not seem like it, but this is our best start at this level for 86 years, since on 15th November 1934 we were 3rd in the old Second Division with the modern equivalent of 27 points after 14 games. Above us in 2nd, Manchester United, and top, Bolton Wanderers!
Three clubs that have had entirely different journeys since then.

I wonder if this is why TF has us sitting deep and not looking to dominate games? Sees that we have started each of the last 3-4 seasons slowly and wants to gain an extra 5-10 points. Then loosen the shackles after xmas?

I hope so as i prefer to see us higher up pressing with less long ball.

 

[Banana]

Who were these 'fans' in the stadium?

The directors and the staff.

But, if your believe some ex-fans, the "disciples" too.

 

[Indian Bee]

Not much of a match report other than we had a plan B and last night our plan B worked better than our plan A.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

I hadn't thought of the two of them playing together. I cant see us playing with two defensive minded midfielders

I didn't think Janelt was defensive minded, he was up and down the pitch, CN & Janelt could alternate carrying the ball forward,
or one or other is quite capable of playing further up (Janelt has done this in the past), what a player he is going to be!

 

[BFC1997]

In his post match interview, Warburton reckoned they had us sussed after 10 minutes of the second half.

Looking at the xG graph, it appears the opposite happened. It took us 10 minutes to adjust to the new formation, and thereafter we caused the consistent problem, eventually overtaking them.

 

[Griffingreen]

Not much of a match report other than we had a plan B and last night our plan B worked better than our plan A.

And Warburtons half time talk and plan for his team to play second half went out the window!

 

[maconleary]

Surprised not to see Marcondes listed on the xG graph.

 

[Beecareful]

I hadn't thought of the two of them playing together. I cant see us playing with two defensive minded midfielders

maybe in tough away matches.

 

[nathanbee]

Much more controlled second half. Steadily improving and still not in top gear yet

i think we hit 3rd gear a few time yesterday. So definitely improving but a lot still to come.

 

[mhead bee]

We are a different team/different style this season with more grit, more grinding out results. wearing others down as a game progresses.

Tonight was a great example of this. We resisted them coming at us, and as the game went on, we came back in to control it.

It’s not so obviously glamorous, not so WOW! But it’s proving to be surprisingly successful.
I like the fact that we’ve discovered another gritty tough player in Janelt. Well taken goal, and I’d love to see him and Norgaard together. They would break up a lot of attacks.

Toney is everywhere, defending one minute and scoring the next. That was a great squad performance overall.
Once again we sent Quite Pathetic Really back to wherever they come from, with the Breadman moaning about everything.

This is a new Brentford, and I’m amazed by the number and amount of criticisms on here during the first half. It’s not going to always be obviously glamorous football, but perhaps it’s just going to prove more effective than last year as the season goes on.

As Toney summed up at the end, "I just put them in the net, but it’s thanks to the hard work of the rest of the team, their support and that of the manager, that I can do It."

And the stats don’t lie! May not seem like it, but this is our best start at this level for 86 years, since on 15th November 1934 we were 3rd in the old Second Division with the modern equivalent of 27 points after 14 games. Above us in 2nd, Manchester United, and top, Bolton Wanderers!
Three clubs that have had entirely different journeys since then.

We are becoming a bit uglier because the other way doesn't work, Ghoddos is a bit of a unit and I think he will become a big player later in the season. We still have a couple who are too lightweight.

 

[mhead bee]

In his post match interview, Warburton reckoned they had us sussed after 10 minutes of the second half.

Looking at the xG graph, it appears the opposite happened. It took us 10 minutes to adjust to the new formation, and thereafter we caused the consistent problem, eventually overtaking them.

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We had a plan B, executed it and could have had 5 second half, they tried to do plan A better and never created a decent chance second half.

 

[Vid]

Who were these 'fans' in the stadium?

The Breadman was confused by the Lego seats. The noise of two hundred was Peter G in his acoustic bubble .

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Well that was an entertaining game. And it pains me to say it but that was the best ive seen QPR play in years. Their problem is they cant defend and created little. Their play in midfield was nice on the eye but was it down to us not engaging and getting a grip in the middle?

We had a poor first half and it was very frustrating to watch. Toney was screaming at his team mates to get higher up the pitch and the few moments we did we took hold of the game. Ive been saying it all season that we are sitting too deep and allowing other teams to dictate the play. I dont like it and its not easy on the eye because when we win the ball we tend to knock it around the back four then go long. We have little outlet in the midfield atm which is a worry.

But enough of the negativity. The team dug in and we got the job done. EM put a shift in and linked the play well. MBS was awesome at the back........... But Rico and Toney were a level above. Toney still isnt involved enough for my liking as i think there is a class footballer in there when he gets it to feet instead of his head. Our wide men and centre mid need to get closer and get our confident one touch football going again.

Always a joy to beat those ****s and even better seeing that snake MW crying after and moaning about everything. He really has changed his tune. I wonder if thats the pressure he feels from their board in comparison to the Brilliance of MB and co who look at the bigger picture.

Up to 4th and we arent even up and running yet. Happy days West London is ours.

Very good post mate , agree with your comments re midfield. Also think Fosu would benefit with a couple of months in the gym. Toney is a match winner, and Rico is a rocket with a rolls Royce engine, two stand out performers .not any where near our best, but keep it coming bees.

 

[Leicester Bee]

So happy this morning.
QPR have improved immensely since last season. And therefore this was a really good test in a pressure game that we needed to win. Let's be honest, we got battered in the first half but we are always a threat no matter the situation. Second half, we were far better and credit to Thomas Frank for good decision-making. Warburton is not as tactically minded as Frank and it was so pleasing to see that our plan B for the second half was not to perform plan A better.

I have to be honest, I'd be raging about Sorensen not getting sent off if I was a rangers fan, but as it's always the case in football, we've had our fair share of poor decisions go against us. I actually didn't think it was a foul in the first place anyway.

Obvious mentions for improved performances from Emiliano and Bryan. They play like that more often and we may well gain momentum as the season goes on. On that performance alone, Rico is Premier League quality (apart from his crossing). Toney is improving too, which seems a strange thing to say for someone who scores a goal a game, but he's becoming more and more influential. Great to see his acknowledgement of the team after the game too. Jensen, though, made a huge difference. When he's got the chance to, his passing to set up attacks is head and shoulders above anyone else's in the team.

As for JDS and Henrik, it goes to show how difficult this extraordinary season is going to be. It's tough enough to deal with a normal season with the squad we have. We have to rotate players because of the strain the regularity of the games will have on the players' bodies. We will find it difficult to play our very strongest team all of the time and that may well impact on consistency levels. Yes, it's the same for every club but we're not judging our team by others but by what we believe our potential is. We have to accept that this season will test our squad and Frank's decision-making to protect the condition of the players will be crucial. This will affect our style, consistency, our attacking potency, but so long as we continue to battle to grind out wins and Frank can protect the squad as best as he can, I'm sure we'll be challenging for automatic promotion.

 

[North London Bee]

He did try and get his offspring to replace P Gilham as Player Liaison though. Didn't go down well from what I heard!

Didn't his son, Jack, get a short term contract with us too?

 

[Oxford Bee]

He did try and get his offspring to replace P Gilham as Player Liaison though. Didn't go down well from what I heard!

One of my lifetime highlights is squiring his daughter in the Orient.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

We are becoming a bit uglier because the other way doesn't work, Ghoddos is a bit of a unit and I think he will become a big player later in the season. We still have a couple who are too lightweight.

I think the problem might be he is a bit too much of a unit!

 

[mhead bee]

TF surprisingly didn't have Pontus in his starting lineup.

Probably 4 games in 10 days was going to be too much when you have been out injured for 3-4 weeks. However at half time it was obvious we were going to lose if we didn't change it up.

 

[mhead bee]

One of my lifetime highlights is squiring his daughter in the Orient.

Excuse me?