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Enjoyed Sam Saunders as Sky's guest pundit. And Les Ferdinand also - far more articulate than his cousin.
 

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I don't think so, he just didn't have the legs.
HD should have stopped the goal, it was 2 v 5, our 2 CB's were tracking the winger looking to intercept the cross, HD had one job just to look for the only player making a run into the box and get accoss him, in front of him, block him, put him off, anything really. The player ghosted in behind him and HD didn't even look or know he was there. For an international player it was really very poor.
 

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HD should have stopped the goal, it was 2 v 5, our 2 CB's were tracking the winger looking to intercept the cross, HD had one job just to look for the only player making a run into the box and get accoss him, in front of him, block him, put him off, anything really. The player ghosted in behind him and HD didn't even look or know he was there. For an international player it was really very poor.
He's knackered and needs a rest and hopefully when Roerslev returns he will get one.
TF mentioned he received an injury in the first half and this was the reason he was subbed.
 

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He's knackered and needs a rest and hopefully when Roerslev returns he will get one.
Why is Dalsgaard more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
 
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Just seen breadmans interview on their Twitter channel....sweet lord he is one bitter individual....yes Sorensen was lucky not to go I actually thought he would u could see his reaction when the ref gave the yellow one of relief....but qpr did play but it don’t matter they just can not handle the fact that we are above them in every way stadium, recruitment etc and the fact that they had it all and spunked all that prem money on Harry’s pension fund ...by the way I still despise rowlands I was there that night I will never forgive him
 
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Why is he more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
Because he’s played every game in what’s a punishing schedule. He also had no respite over the international break and as the oldest player in the team he needs the odd game off.
 

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Why Dalsgaard more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
He wasn't. He was injured.
 

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Interesting comment in TFs post match regarding the effect of two games a week on performance levels.Really not surprising and looks like its stats based.We really need to realise we can't play beautiful games every outing and should be getting excited about our start to the season.
 

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Loved it.
We are not the smooth machine of many of the games at the end pf last season but we are bloody hard to beat. That will do me until our wingers get back to form, Ghoddos settles in and CN is back. Maybe we might even see an acquisition in January. QPR huffed and puffed but with no end product. Sorensen should have gone but then again Toney's goal should have stood. Warburton is such a dick.
West London is ours!
 

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Watching Dalsgaard running after Dykes for their goal something definitely wasn't right whether it be an injury or exhaustion.
Or lack of pace? Think the switch primarily freed Rico up to play more adbanced role and helped us control midfield better
 

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He had 17500 seats to sit in, some of them leather and heated in the dug out area. He is a dick.
He was probably thinking about the (lack of) legroom in the Griffin Park seats 🤭
 

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I think the problem might be he is a bit too much of a unit!
Yes, he could do with further fitness and conditioning! But he got in some good positions and if he were more up to speed would have buried the chance he got late on. I think he’s better centrally as a sub for Marcondes at the moment than as a wide player where he’s lacking pace and a relationship with Rico.
 

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Why is Dalsgaard more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
Yeah I don’t get that, he is thirty i think.
 

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Loved it.
We are not the smooth machine of many of the games at the end pf last season but we are bloody hard to beat. That will do me until our wingers get back to form, Ghoddos settles in and CN is back. Maybe we might even see an acquisition in January. QPR huffed and puffed but with no end product. Sorensen should have gone but then again Toney's goal should have stood. Warburton is such a dick.
West London is ours!
Perhaps a cheeky bid for Bright Osayi-Samuel? Though I wasn’t as convinced by him on the left where we have a need compared to on the right, where Bryan is going to revert to being much better than him before long.
 

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Why is Dalsgaard more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
He’s always been just on the edge of being too slow for a right back so now he’s 31 and playing three games a week it occasionally becomes a problem.
 

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2nd half was a real professional performance. Toney mucking in with a bit of defensive play. I'd hate to play in an opposing team to his. A real handful. Rico purchasing Samuel was my Moet moment. That lad is top top as TF would say.
 

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Listened to the QPHa commentary second half (kept my QPHa supporting other half happy) and even they said we were by far the best team ( at least that's what I thought I heard over the whinging and moaning coming from the other end of the sofa )
 

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Why is Dalsgaard more knackered than anyone else? It seems to me every time he has a bad game or makes a mistake, someone says he’s knackered.
He’s the oldest member of the team and runs on fumes most games. I can’t see another contract being offered to him.
 

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BFC is by no means run without errors of judgement, but I would be embarrassed if they posted on their official FB site such a classless comment like QPR did.
Ie:
Brentford Lego Community Stadium
Brentford Lego Community Stadium v Loftus Road Subbuteo Stadium.
 

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And the stats don’t lie! May not seem like it, but this is our best start at this level for 86 years, since on 15th November 1934 we were 3rd in the old Second Division with the modern equivalent of 27 points after 14 games. Above us in 2nd, Manchester United, and top, Bolton Wanderers!
Three clubs that have had entirely different journeys since then
Interesting Ocean......although I remember once being shown a vast amount of pre-war programmes ....I picked one out at random (possibly around 1938?) and after 20 games the Bees were actually TOP of the First Division!
 

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I'm certain JDS's recent substitutions are because he is purposely dropping too deep and playing effectively as another no.6 alongside Janelt.

The when either of them get the ball and look forward we're short of a midfield option ahead.

When Marcondes came on last time and Jensen today we played much better.
 

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BFC is by no means run without errors of judgement, but I would be embarrassed if they posted on their official FB site such a classless comment like QPR did.
Ie:
Brentford Lego Community Stadium

As for Warburton no goodwill left in the bank for him now.
Truth is, they only embarrassed themselves with that post. Too thick to realise it
Theyd do anything for a ground like ours, history repeating itself there.

Proper **** club.
 

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Congratulations Bees. I went to bed last night both satisfied with our performance, and wondering what could have been if that red card decision had gone the other way.

On reflection, the luck goes both ways (Hämäläinen could have had a second yellow, and your 'offside' goal) and the game was still there to be won for us. It wasn't the potential red card that lost us that game, but the failure to capitalise on a strong first half performance, and an inability to respond to an astute tactical adjustment from the Bees at half time. Clearly you have that bit of quality which enables you to come through in this type of game, typified by Toney putting away his chance and Dykes missing the chance to add to his goal at the end of the first half. I also thought your players were fitter at the end.

It speaks to how far behind we've fallen that my hope going into this game was simply that we wouldn't capitulate and would put on a decent performance. I think we achieved that, and demonstrated in line with recent performances that QPR are moving in the right direction both on and off the pitch - making money each transfer window and improving the ability of our squad. We have a few players like Dickie, Dykes, Dieng, Masterson, Chair and Willock who all have high potential and combined cost less that Toney. Obviously also BOS who is superb but is winding down the contract and we'll get whatever is set by tribunal.

My MOM for you would have been Rico Henry. He's an incredible player at this level and I was sure he was going to go in the summer. Jansson also made a big difference coming on and Forss coming off the bench shows a strength in depth which makes me think you'll be up there again this year.

Best of luck for the rest of the season, return fixture excepted of course!

An an aside, the game absolutely reaffirmed my hatred of VAR. Two decisions that would have gone to VAR in the potential red card and the Toney 'offside' goal. We didn't waste 5 minutes on each and the game flowed so much more enjoyably as a result. Gives us all something to argue about after the game, and the decisions would typically balance out over the course of a season.

 

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I disagree with the sentiment on here that this is the best QPR we have seen since we came up. They were effectively able to name there first choice starting 11, while we started with neither of our two most influential players (Janson and Norgaard) or Jensen. We were probably the better team over the 90 mins (a team that fell flat against Wycombe last week), and a bit better finishing at the end from us and it finishes 4-1.

When they beat us 3-2 at LR with Eze, Freeman, Luango, Wells, Bidwell, Bidwell, and Osei-Samuel all in the squad was probably the best they have been against us, and by far the best squad. If you look at the players they have now compared to then they’ve gone massively backwards in just 2 years. As soon as Warburton gets treated terribly by their board (i.e. gets a better offer elsewhere) they will really be in trouble. Although injuries to a couple of key players this season and they could be in trouble sooner.
 

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I disagree with the sentiment on here that this is the best QPR we have seen since we came up. They were effectively able to name there first choice starting 11, while we started with neither of our two most influential players (Janson and Norgaard) or Jensen. We were probably the better team over the 90 mins (a team that fell flat against Wycombe last week), and a bit better finishing at the end from us and it finishes 4-1.

When they beat us 3-2 at LR with Eze, Freeman, Luango, Wells, Bidwell, Bidwell, and Osei-Samuel all in the squad was probably the best they have been against us, and by far the best squad. If you look at the players they have now compared to then they’ve gone massively backwards in just 2 years. As soon as Warburton gets treated terribly by their board (i.e. gets a better offer elsewhere) they will really be in trouble. Although injuries to a couple of key players this season and they could be in trouble sooner.
I can understand what you are saying about the team from that 3-2 win. The trouble is we didn't own any strikers then and spent large loan fees on Wells, Hugill and Hemed. We now own Dykes and Bonne, with a decent youth prospect in Kelman who joined from Southend. Unless I'm misremembering, we don't have any loan players for the first time in ages, which is pleasing.

We've sold Eze, Freeman and Luongo for just under £30m and have Chair, Willock, BOS, Thomas and Adomah in those positions, and we've improved the defence considerably with Dickie and Barbet in place of Leistner and Lynch. So the midfield is perhaps a notch weaker, but we're better both at the back and up top, and in a much better financial position.
 

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Interesting Ocean......although I remember once being shown a vast amount of pre-war programmes ....I picked one out at random (possibly around 1938?) and after 20 games the Bees were actually TOP of the First Division!
We must have been top for several months as somewhere in my loft I have the News of the World February 20 1938 with the main report being Brentford 2 Derby County 3 and the headline on the sports page is 'Brentford's Three Month Grip On League Is Broken'.

The report is bylined Alex James and he refers to the matches he played against Brentford during his career. He retired from playing in 1937.
 

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We must have been top for several months as somewhere in my loft I have the News of the World February 20 1938 with the main report being Brentford 2 Derby County 3 and the headline on the sports page is 'Brentford's Three Month Grip On League Is Broken'.

The report is bylined Alex James and he refers to the matches he played against Brentford during his career. He retired from playing in 1937.


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BFC is by no means run without errors of judgement, but I would be embarrassed if they posted on their official FB site such a classless comment like QPR did.
Ie:
Brentford Lego Community Stadium

As for Warburton no goodwill left in the bank for him now.
Agree completely was classless. It shouldn't but it really annoyed me.
 

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We must have been top for several months as somewhere in my loft I have the News of the World February 20 1938 with the main report being Brentford 2 Derby County 3 and the headline on the sports page is 'Brentford's Three Month Grip On League Is Broken'.

The report is bylined Alex James and he refers to the matches he played against Brentford during his career. He retired from playing in 1937.
A bit off topic but Brentford FC went top of Division 1 on 30 October 1937. P14 W8 D2 L4 F26 A18 Pts18.

Then stayed on top until........

They were top of the League on 18 Feb 1938. Pld29 W 14 D7 L8 F48 A36 Pts35.

After the games on 19 Feb, the table showed Brentford 3rd; P30 W14 D7 L9 F50 A39 Pts35. Arsenal went top........

Seasons end, Arsenal stayed top and won the league on 52 points. Brentford finished 6th on 45 points.
 

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I can understand what you are saying about the team from that 3-2 win. The trouble is we didn't own any strikers then and spent large loan fees on Wells, Hugill and Hemed. We now own Dykes and Bonne, with a decent youth prospect in Kelman who joined from Southend. Unless I'm misremembering, we don't have any loan players for the first time in ages, which is pleasing.

We've sold Eze, Freeman and Luongo for just under £30m and have Chair, Willock, BOS, Thomas and Adomah in those positions, and we've improved the defence considerably with Dickie and Barbet in place of Leistner and Lynch. So the midfield is perhaps a notch weaker, but we're better both at the back and up top, and in a much better financial position.
Fair enough, in this modern age it is highly commendable to be able to stand still (in terms of on the pitch quality/league performance) and slash budgets. Although, I would say Adomah is pretty much done at this level, and BOS is half way out the building (hopefully on his was to catch a bus to Hounslow).

However (and this isn’t aimed at you) when your fans/board try to align what they are doing now to our philosophy, I think they are way off. Our budget has been going up sustainably season upon season for nearly a decade, and signing players like Adomah, Ball, Barbet (at the age you signed him), Cameron, Wallace, and Kane are signings we would never have made at any stage of our recent development. Remember you have a manager that left us because he couldn’t have full control over all aspects of signing players (despite what he spun to the press). He’s already signed his mates kid, and 5% of your salary budget is probably going into his daughters back pocket.
 

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Fair enough, in this modern age it is highly commendable to be able to stand still (in terms of on the pitch quality/league performance) and slash budgets. Although, I would say Adomah is pretty much done at this level, and BOS is half way out the building (hopefully on his was to catch a bus to Hounslow).

However (and this isn’t aimed at you) when your fans/board try to align what they are doing now to our philosophy, I think they are way off. Our budget has been going up sustainably season upon season for nearly a decade, and signing players like Adomah, Ball, Barbet (at the age you signed him), Cameron, Wallace, and Kane are signings we would never have made at any stage of our recent development. Remember you have a manager that left us because he couldn’t have full control over all aspects of signing players (despite what he spun to the press). He’s already signed his mates kid, and 5% of your salary budget is probably going into his daughters back pocket.
Yep, all fair. We've managed to cut our wage budget in half and then half again and basically stay 16th. Think it's now about £18m per annum which is one of the smallest in the league. We're certainly not taking exactly the same approach as you, or are we nearly at the same stage. We've also had to mix in a bit of experience alongside some of the younger signings, some of which have been a 'hit' (Cameron, Ball) and others not (Wallace). As I understand it, the plan is to see less of this as the younger players develop, which makes sense, and you can see a bit of that in Chair taking Eze's role instead of a new signing, and Kelman being taken from Southend for when Bonne/Dykes move on. The pleasing this is that we no longer have to make cuts, and for three summer transfers windows in a row we've made a profit, with that profit growing each time.
 

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The last two matches seem to have indicated a shift in game strategy, probably to adjust to the current personnel, that may point to this season's expectation. Last season it was all about trying to overpower opponents by dominating possession and keeping clean sheets on the basis of restricting the opposition time with the ball. We struggled against teams that sat deep and actually allowed us the possession but choked the final third, the classic Colin team.

Now we seem to be willing to have less possession but have more patience to shift opponents around more and, during the game, change tactics and formation to impose ourselves without compressing the opposition into their defensive third. That would show a tactical maturity and also players who understand those tactical changes and their roles in it.

Of course, I could have just imagined all that from a very small sample.
 
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