Post Match Thread Brentford 2-2 Blackburn
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That last substitution of Thompson for Henry cost us dear I am afraid. I don't see what giving Rico 15 minutes' rest would do. Two dropped points through not putting them away at 2-1 and losing our shape and tempo late on.
Poor.
Poor.
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Not much else to be said, really.Played well. Should have won. Bad subs cost us. Awful way to concede.
Dropping points like this will cost us
Edmundo
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Feels like two points dropped, but we're still only three points off the top.
stevil
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Aaaaaaarggh
Paul USA
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I am effing peed off
Ridiculous substitutions
Never tested their keeper in 2nd Half
They had 9 men for 57 minutes for gods sake.
Ridiculous substitutions
Never tested their keeper in 2nd Half
They had 9 men for 57 minutes for gods sake.
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Four.
West Wilts Bee
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Thomas cost us two points.too many subs in a short space.
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All those subs for our big players just handed the initiative to them. They could see our manager thought it was game done. 4-1 up maybe but at 2-1 it's asking for trouble. Bit naive, especially as we hadn't exactly run them ragged.
benfleetbee
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Why make all them subs when we were in control of the game and we were only one goal up. That is what lost us two points.
favershambee
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As others have said the substitutions changed our tempo on the game and gifted the opportunity to Blackburn.
AB
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I think both Thompson and Fosu were unnecessary subs (the latter lucky to avoid a red card within 5 mins of coming on). Just lost our defensive shape on the left completely when everyone could see they’d chuck a lot forward in the last 5 minutes if it was still 2-1. There’s managing squad fitness and there’s not losing concentration on the game at hand.
On the positive side, really decent game from Sergi, looking more like the player he was before his injury. His goal was v similar to one of Said’s towards the end of last season that had everyone purring (v Reading?).
On the positive side, really decent game from Sergi, looking more like the player he was before his injury. His goal was v similar to one of Said’s towards the end of last season that had everyone purring (v Reading?).
Hullbee
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In a few months time when one of our best players is being demonised and blamed for missing autopromotion because they missed a sitter or conceded a penalty please remember this thread as the reason we didn’t have enough points to go up
West Wilts Bee
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Add the fact that Thompsons school boy clearence cost us the goal, we are not good enough.
BudleighBee
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It really has all been said. Totally unnecessary substitutions, but also the team seemed to have thought they had it won. It really was three points in the bag if they kept on playing. I really don't think we have the depth that we think. Thompson has had a couple of very good games, but also some where the quality just isn't there, Ghoddos much the same. It wasn't just the substitutions though, we totally stopped playing at about 75 minutes.
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We had actually stopped playing before the subs. We were just going through the motions, which I am pretty sure TF would not have wanted. The subs were probably designed to lift us out of our slumber, but the last two and particularly the Rico one were unnecessary.
Raybfc123
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Not for the first time Thomas Frank's fault that. To take off all your best performing players with 20 to go was football suicide absolute fuming. Yes at 3-1 but never 2-1
benfleetbee
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May as well close this thread everyone is just copying and pasting. Last two subs cost us the game.
Ken Richardson
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Sorry but this is another TF screw up. He will put the entire blame on the players. When is this man going to learn.
stevil
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Yep. This is one we'll look back at and regret...
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Thought Blackburn looked good with 11 and feared the worst when they took the lead (as they always seem to at our place). I thought the red card was harsh if I am honest but the defender had already been booked so the foul may have warranted a second yellow anyway. I have to say though I have seen enough similar incidents when a foul is not even given. We played well against 10. Delighted for Sergi when he scored a great goal but we did not kick on. We fell for Blackburn's rope a dope strategy to slow us down to get to 80+ minutes at just one behind. Our subs were poor. Each one (bar Bryan) weakened us today. Blackburn duly got the big chance they were holding out for courtesy of a passage of poor passing and poor decision making. I felt the goal was coming. Disappointing in the end. Unfortunately in this league you have to be on it for the full 90+ minutes - the teams are just too closely matched to lose focus and expect to win. Blackburn are an odd side. They always seem to cause us problems - particularly with their fast start - but they seem to be inconsistent otherwise. Interesting to see how they get on when Bradley Dack returns.
Rico and Sergi were good. Janelt and Jenson did well. I thought Pinnock's passing was off today in a slightly below par performance from him.
Rico and Sergi were good. Janelt and Jenson did well. I thought Pinnock's passing was off today in a slightly below par performance from him.
stevil
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I think we probably need to vent.
Friji
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Should be 1, really stupid from Frank taking Rico off. Thompson has a lot to learn still.
Brighter note but I felt Canos had his best game in years for us.
AB
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No point to that attitude. The team has 30 games to make it irrelevant and can’t undo it or gain anything from blaming it. If TF and the players learn from it, that’s the real test. Last season we could have blamed missing out on any number of early season errors but the reality is we lost and didn’t look like winning the last two games when we ought to have done better and had everything in our own hands. If a win from our last two is where we’re at end of this season, failing or succeeding will be down to how we do in those games, not “but a draw would have been enough if we’d not conceded an equaliser against Blackburn”.
It doesn't feel like 2 points dropped.... It was 2 points dropped.... Or thrown away more like. Horrendous subs.... Sorry but TF has to take the blame for today.
Hullbee
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Never ever bring a defender off when you are leading, other then for an injury. Im not sure what TF is playing at, when we went 2-1 I expected us to up a gear, but we didnt and we havent really all season. 2 points dropped today without a doubt, if you play against 10 men for 60 minutes there should only be one result.
Beesmeister
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Great for Sergi’s confidence but gloss taken off by strange management decisions.
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A game that was there for the taking but one sub too many saw us snatch a draw from the jaws of victory. Blackburn were the better side in the opening exchanges but their goal was incredibly soft and was an unfortunate precursor to what would eventually transpire.
The penalty and red card turned the game on it's head and saw us in the ascendency but unfortunately we didn't score a second despite all the pressure at the end of the first half. We began the second half well and scored a superb second but after that we let Blackburn off the hook somewhat.
The subs didn't really work and gave the initiative to a 10 man Blackburn but the sub that ultimately cost us was Thompson for Henry. At 3-1 I'd not have battered an eyelid but with only 1 goal in it we definitely needed our best (debatable) defender on the pitch. Thompson's clearance that led to the goal was school boy stuff and the defending was as poor as their first.
Absolutely gutted to not be celebrating 3 points tonight and poor defending with some (or one) questionable sub(s) from Thomas have cost us today. Hoping to see a reaction to this on Wednesday and a win then can start us on another winning run I hope. Just hope those in the ground were able to enjoy themselves despite the disappointment of letting the win slip through our fingers.
The penalty and red card turned the game on it's head and saw us in the ascendency but unfortunately we didn't score a second despite all the pressure at the end of the first half. We began the second half well and scored a superb second but after that we let Blackburn off the hook somewhat.
The subs didn't really work and gave the initiative to a 10 man Blackburn but the sub that ultimately cost us was Thompson for Henry. At 3-1 I'd not have battered an eyelid but with only 1 goal in it we definitely needed our best (debatable) defender on the pitch. Thompson's clearance that led to the goal was school boy stuff and the defending was as poor as their first.
Absolutely gutted to not be celebrating 3 points tonight and poor defending with some (or one) questionable sub(s) from Thomas have cost us today. Hoping to see a reaction to this on Wednesday and a win then can start us on another winning run I hope. Just hope those in the ground were able to enjoy themselves despite the disappointment of letting the win slip through our fingers.
It's a pretty good rule made even more strange when we've taken our holding midfielder off at half time.
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I can’t really add much to what has been said already. Two points thrown away as a result of the last two substitutions particularly. We just invited them on to us after that.
Pleased for Canos. Cracking goal. We should have gone on to score more after that.
Nice to be in the new stadium for the first time. A bit cold though , with all that social distancing!
Pleased for Canos. Cracking goal. We should have gone on to score more after that.
Nice to be in the new stadium for the first time. A bit cold though , with all that social distancing!
AB
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You misunderstand. I wouldn't boo the player who made the error in the late season game any more than I'd wet my pants over TF making an error in this one.
If you want to look at Trotta, at the time (indeed, written on a train carriage back up from the game surrounded by jubilant Doncaster fans) I was supportive of him. I thought his confidence to claim the penalty was just what you want from a centre forward and justifiable on the basis of him having scored one the game before. This Club is Cursed
benfleetbee
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Just because we can make 5 substitutions it don't mean that we have to.
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I hope that this was an eye opener for the squad and management.
We really aren’t as good as we perhaps think.
Yet another slow start. Can anyone think of a home game this season where we’ve seized the initiative early on? Rovers were quick aggressive and incisive and fully deserved their opening goal when Rothwell was allowed to waltz through three non challenges and score emphatically.
Apart from a clever set piece move with Forss narrowly missing we created little until the red card and penalty.
With Rovers a man down and Canos feeding off the crowd the game was there for the taking but we never really went for the jugular and moved them around without any incision or final bell - until Sergi scored a goal of utter brilliance totally out of keeping with our performance.
We kept going for another ten minutes and had three decent long range chances - all squandered.
At 75 minutes we downed tools, started to play keep ball and ran the clock down.
Fair enough but we then compounded matters and took off key players with the game far from won and paid the price.
The game was ours but we got what we deserved.
We aren’t strong or good enough to piss about in the way we did today.
We really aren’t as good as we perhaps think.
Yet another slow start. Can anyone think of a home game this season where we’ve seized the initiative early on? Rovers were quick aggressive and incisive and fully deserved their opening goal when Rothwell was allowed to waltz through three non challenges and score emphatically.
Apart from a clever set piece move with Forss narrowly missing we created little until the red card and penalty.
With Rovers a man down and Canos feeding off the crowd the game was there for the taking but we never really went for the jugular and moved them around without any incision or final bell - until Sergi scored a goal of utter brilliance totally out of keeping with our performance.
We kept going for another ten minutes and had three decent long range chances - all squandered.
At 75 minutes we downed tools, started to play keep ball and ran the clock down.
Fair enough but we then compounded matters and took off key players with the game far from won and paid the price.
The game was ours but we got what we deserved.
We aren’t strong or good enough to piss about in the way we did today.
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Pretty much what id'have said and yea was bloody cold
All i'd add is that we didn't respect our opponent with all those subs and we got what we deserved because of it.
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I don't have a problem with any of the substitutions... except one! It was crystal clear what Mowbray's half-time instructions were: defend deep and hold on until the last 20 minutes, then we'll go for it. I can't understand why disrupting the defence with Thompson on for Henry made any sense whatsoever.
Dropping another 2 points at home really puts the pressure on for the next two games.
Dropping another 2 points at home really puts the pressure on for the next two games.
Agreed ! Not so much naive as downright stupid !
Jockbee
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Simon called it right.....Mowbray would go for it in the last 10 mins......also our subs did nothing when they came on...ah well......You Reds...
liverbee
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Which post are you replying to?
Feeling "philosophical" about this one. Yes poor subs, team switched off etc but this point will serve us better in the long run than if we had got the 3. Blackburn punished our young side's complacency and we got taught a valuable lesson.
Hullbee
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This one
It's clear that the substitutions changed the game. However, in TF's defence, he explained this earlier in the season. The management team look at players' fitness levels and judge whether staying on for a further 10-15 minutes significantly increases risk of injury. My guess is, with Rico and JDS, this will have been the case today. It wasn't tactical in a footballing sense, but tactical in a squad management sense. On this occasion it didn't work out. On another day it might have done.
It's disappointing, but personally I wouldn't be lining up to criticise TF for this. We have to bear in mind he has access to information that we don't.
It's disappointing, but personally I wouldn't be lining up to criticise TF for this. We have to bear in mind he has access to information that we don't.
I have to agree with most points above. What an effin’ waste! By my count, that’s the third time so far this season we’ve given away late equalizers and managed to turn 3 points into 1!! b***ocks! There is no way we should have let Blackburn back in. Agreed, the substitutions really upset the apple cart. However, regardless of which players are on the pitch, we need to manage these games better and see them out instead of letting the opposition cause us heart palpitations. So disappointing today. Again, all I can say is what a waste. Oh well, on to the next game.
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Give it a rest. This time last year we were 13 points off the top. At the moment we’re 4 points from the top spot.
I guess today will at least give the Frank haters heart to vent their trash on the manager’s thread - the thread that ages oh so well each week.....
ITFWT COYB
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But this isn't the first time TF thought a game had been won and brought on unnecessary subs that has cost us. So the learning curve seems to be very steep.
Houghton Bee
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He has had a top flight career, in England, Italy and currently in Portugal. Clearly the vicious hate campaign from Brentford fans spurred him on.