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I dunno. Apparently their keeper played a blinder.

We were poor first half but thoroughly deserved to win after an excellent second half.
Their keeper made two Worldies and the ref for the second game on the bounce lost it and forgot to give us a nailed on pen.
We played with purpose and passion second half but lacked creativity until Tom Field went past the right back.
Two poor sides but at least we showed we are prepared to battle when the chips are down.
Braemar Road Lino and ref a complete disgrace.
 

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Only need to scrap for another 25 points

The bottom three are dobbins, we will be fine.

If the ref had Ref hadn't robbed us against brum and fate tucked us up at Leeds and we had a decent ref today we would be a really good run just now.
 

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The bottom three are dobbins, we will be fine.

If the ref had Ref hadn't robbed us against brum and fate tucked us up at Leeds and we had a decent ref today we would be a really good run just now.

Those are reasonable points. It wouldn't hide the fact though IMO that for significant parts of today we were totally disjointed, lacking much if any attacking threat and virtually unwatchable at points. A good first 10 minutes, a purposeful last 15-20. Pretty awful in between.
 

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Those are reasonable points. It wouldn't hide the fact though IMO that for significant parts of today we were totally disjointed, lacking much if any attacking threat and virtually unwatchable at points. A good first 10 minutes, a purposeful last 15-20. Pretty awful in between.

I agree. The lack of urgency and pace from defence to midfield is the worry, bjelland can only pass backwards and lack of width is still on the menu.

Sawyers was having a very good game and was the only one trying to create before he got hooked but to be fair the subs worked.

kaikai, hoff and Jm all changed the urgency of the game but I still feel they are change out players, when they start they offer little. It was great to see hoff show for the ball and try to get his body in the way, something none of our player offer.

Vibe shouldn't be anywhere near our starting line up at the moment.

I see Norwich are losing again, they lost about 6 in a row, battered us then lost another 4 or so. I am worried about next week, just the sort of thing that happens to us.
 

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Thought we were average again. Just don't understand what we are about.
 

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Those are reasonable points. It wouldn't hide the fact though IMO that for significant parts of today we were totally disjointed, lacking much if any attacking threat and virtually unwatchable at points. A good first 10 minutes, a purposeful last 15-20. Pretty awful in between.

That's pretty much how I saw it.
 

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Thought we played ok today, though no better than that. Definitely didn't deserve to lose, we probably shaded both halves though we were always going to dominate possession in the second half once Cardiff were sitting back defending their lead. Bit frustrating that our midfield aren't able to pick forward passes (or is it a lack of movement?). And it doesn't help when you're chasing the game as it gets the crowd on the players backs. Great character to come back after we went 2-1 down. We may live to be thankful for that point come the end of the season.
 

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Those are reasonable points. It wouldn't hide the fact though IMO that for significant parts of today we were totally disjointed, lacking much if any attacking threat and virtually unwatchable at points. A good first 10 minutes, a purposeful last 15-20. Pretty awful in between.

Well said Owlsmoor. Our play is slow, predictable and for much of today it was just dull. Dean has to raise his game. What we're having to watch is nowhere near good enough.
 

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poor first half, excellent 2nd half once the worlds most useless number 10 dragged his sorry arse off.....we deserved 3 points but a point in these circumstances is like a victory.....keeps cardiff below us and with other results going our way its a great point.......kai kai had a great half an hour and field for me was mom with his constant running at the defenders........happy with that result ;) oh and the ealing road was great 2nd half, best atmospheres theres been for ages (2nd half only once everyone had woken up ;))
 

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Anyone who thinks we played well in my opinion is deluded and needs to see a doctor. We were awful, the brand of football was sideways sideways backwards hoof! Cardiff were awful, psychical but awful!
No off the ball ever makes space for themselves to give an olio the ball rarely went forward today.
I'm really struggling with our style of play or lack of!
A decent side would have turned us over today comfortably!
Rant over lol
 

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I agree. The lack of urgency and pace from defence to midfield is the worry, bjelland can only pass backwards and lack of width is still on the menu.

Sawyers was having a very good game and was the only one trying to create before he got hooked but to be fair the subs worked.

kaikai, hoff and Jm all changed the urgency of the game but I still feel they are change out players, when they start they offer little. It was great to see hoff show for the ball and try to get his body in the way, something none of our player offer.

Vibe shouldn't be anywhere near our starting line up at the moment.

I see Norwich are losing again, they lost about 6 in a row, battered us then lost another 4 or so. I am worried about next week, just the sort of thing that happens to us.

I understand your point about McE, but after today I would like to see him get an extended run in the team with two more defensive-minded midfielders next to him. He totally changed our game today: our passing was tens time slicker once he came on and we were much more patient in the final third.
 
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Until Kaikai came on to give us some forward momentum and McEachran closed down, played with a bit of speed and added some attacking threat from midfield, we were completely pedestrian. As posted above, a decent opening 10 minutes with shots from Vibe and Sawyers but then a soft penalty and we just withdrew into confusion and failed to threaten, with the tactic of a defender over-hitting a ball into the channels for Hogan. In the second half Cardiff had decided they only needed to defend, mainly by falling over and time-wasting, but there was no threat from our mannequin midfield until the substitutions and we wound up to a bit of effort in the last 15 minutes. There's so much improvement needed.
 

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There's no way Sawyer's was having a very good game. Slows it down too often
 

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As it is Boxing Day today do you mean 2017 balders?
 

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Didn't make it today. The TV highlights seem to portray us as much more of an attacking threat than following on here earlier. However, there are a number of respected posters who have all said our football was poor for large parts of today. At least good to see us battle back. However, the coaching and management team must act decisively now. Despite a bumper Boxing Day crowd, attendances are down this year and will continue to drop if this type of football is served up. It's not just today the football's been below expectations. The 4-5000 'fair weather' fans we've attracted in recent years won't keep coming back to watch sideways passing, hoofing, or Lasse Vibe displaying his 'commitment ', if it results in an annual battle for 21st place. They want better than this (so do I) and like it or not, we need to be getting more supporters in if LR is to be successful. No amount of fancy marketing from Banana's great mates will disguise the alarming drop in quality football in the past year. Oh, and I don't want to hear comparisons of, 'if you think this is bad, remember the bad old days.' Yes, I remember and have no wish to return, but the club will prosper by looking to the future, which it can still shape (hopefully without Vibe, and someone to take control of our midfield).
 

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There's no way Sawyer's was having a very good game. Slows it down too often
He does give the impression sometimes that he looks at the ball at his feet as if it is a surprise... "aaargh, what's that?"
 

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Why do we wait until late in the second half to mount a major effort. We didn't seem to pressurise them after they scored the pen.
Terrible refereeing. We only had to breathe on a Cardiff player, for the ref to give a free kick. A soft penalty given, when you consider what was going on elsewhere, and being allowed.

One of our problems is a slow build up, so that by the time we get into their penalty area, it's like Oxford Street in the rush-hour.
Kai Kai took his opportunities well, and we need more shots from distance like his first.
Frustrating game, but I'm thankful that we salvaged the point. Having got back into it with our first equaliser, it was careless to leave Field stranded as the only and last defender.

***One other off the pitch happening!
2 guys started fighting, throwing punches, in the Braemar stand, not that far away from me. Lots of women and young kids near to them, and who were trying to get away from them.

Stewards arrived to break it up, and take them outside. However, it appears that they let the offenders back in again.
This seems very inconsistent with the policy of chucking out anyone fighting. After all, 2 others on here were thrown out, and suspended just for giving only verbal to stewards.
Anyone else witness this incident? I feel very annoyed about the fact they weren't thrown out, when it disrupted the game for family supporters close to them.
 
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Didn't make it today. The TV highlights seem to portray us as much more of an attacking threat than following on here earlier. However, there are a number of respected posters who have all said our football was poor for large parts of today. At least good to see us battle back. However, the coaching and management team must act decisively now. Despite a bumper Boxing Day crowd, attendances are down this year and will continue to drop if this type of football is served up. It's not just today the football's been below expectations. The 4-5000 'fair weather' fans we've attracted in recent years won't keep coming back to watch sideways passing, hoofing, or Lasse Vibe displaying his 'commitment ', if it results in an annual battle for 21st place. They want better than this (so do I) and like it or not, we need to be getting more supporters in if LR is to be successful. No amount of fancy marketing from Banana's great mates will disguise the alarming drop in quality football in the past year. Oh, and I don't want to hear comparisons of, 'if you think this is bad, remember the bad old days.' Yes, I remember and have no wish to return, but the club will prosper by looking to the future, which it can still shape (hopefully without Vibe, and someone to take control of our midfield).

When we are on a run of decent performances/results the quality of football improves it goes with the territory, confidence goes up and players express themselves better. Some of the football in the last 15 minutes today was good to watch. We need to sustain that style/pattern of play of that last 15 minutes over longer periods of games though. I can't believe many fans today went away feeling they hadn't been entertained.
 

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We were poor first half but thoroughly deserved to win after an excellent second half.
Their keeper made two Worldies and the ref for the second game on the bounce lost it and forgot to give us a nailed on pen.
We played with purpose and passion second half but lacked creativity until Tom Field went past the right back.
Two poor sides but at least we showed we are prepared to battle when the chips are down.
Braemar Road Lino and ref a complete disgrace.

Agree with that. But I am so concerned about Dean Smith. We were ok for the first twenty, went a goal behind and the rest of the half almost sent me to sleep. How many points are we giving away when we play the ball out from the back? The cheating Sheep shaggers sent three up front to counter our play from the back, hence our passing goes to pot, we pass sideways backways, we cannot pass forward as we have been closed down, so we pass it 40yards back and start the boring process all over again. It obvious that the team are told to play that way but we should be beating teams like Cardiff who are a negative team with a negative coach how the hell he and his ilk keep a job in football astounds me. We are making life so difficult for ourselve gone now is the flowing pass and move football we have played for the last four seasons. the last time for me when we played well was at home to Reading. Great someback from the boys Sullay needs to be playing from the off at least he knows where the net is. Vibe, what the hell has happened to him?
 

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When we are on a run of decent performances/results the quality of football improves it goes with the territory, confidence goes up and players express themselves better. Some of the football in the last 15 minutes today was good to watch. We need to sustain that style/pattern of play of that last 15 minutes over longer periods of games though. I can't believe many fans today went away feeling they hadn't been entertained.

What????? I go to watch 90 mins of football, not 15!!!! We were boring for large parts of today. Boring and predictable. If your idea of entertainment is slow passes across the back, into midfield, back to the back four, into the midfield, back to the keeper, who then launches it forward into the air where three man mountains have the ability to out jump Lasse (who is terrified of getting close to them) & it all starts again. We have lost our way.
 

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What????? I go to watch 90 mins of football, not 15!!!! We were boring for large parts of today. Boring and predictable. If your idea of entertainment is slow passes across the back, into midfield, back to the back four, into the midfield, back to the keeper, who then launches it forward into the air where three man mountains have the ability to out jump Lasse (who is terrified of getting close to them) & it all starts again. We have lost our way.

only changed with the subs....once we went with 2 up front and a proper winger it was far far better.......the subs actually changed the game today for once imho......saying that the first half apart from 10 mins was complete rubbish.......cardiff were crap and a better team would have finished the game off before vibe went off.......great point though as on 89 mins it was looking grim
 

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Didn't make it today. The TV highlights seem to portray us as much more of an attacking threat than following on here earlier. However, there are a number of respected posters who have all said our football was poor for large parts of today. At least good to see us battle back. However, the coaching and management team must act decisively now. Despite a bumper Boxing Day crowd, attendances are down this year and will continue to drop if this type of football is served up. It's not just today the football's been below expectations. The 4-5000 'fair weather' fans we've attracted in recent years won't keep coming back to watch sideways passing, hoofing, or Lasse Vibe displaying his 'commitment ', if it results in an annual battle for 21st place. They want better than this (so do I) and like it or not, we need to be getting more supporters in if LR is to be successful. No amount of fancy marketing from Banana's great mates will disguise the alarming drop in quality football in the past year. Oh, and I don't want to hear comparisons of, 'if you think this is bad, remember the bad old days.' Yes, I remember and have no wish to return, but the club will prosper by looking to the future, which it can still shape (hopefully without Vibe, and someone to take control of our midfield).

I am more than happy to stand up to any poster, well respected or not, and say our football is better than you have portrayed here. We were doing ok for 20 minutes and then we let in a goal and went into our shell. We ran out of ideas and options, the movement became non existent and the centre backs though they'd turned into Beckenbauer and started playing balls long into channels. Sawyers was going deeper and deeper to try and get hold of the ball but lack of options and the larger area to play through meant he wasn't going forward - boo him. That changed in the second half when we started playing through the lines again and we opened them up a few times with the keeper making at least two pretty good saves. We got a well deserved equaliser and then got done by a sucker punch and I think anyone in the ground would have said that Cardiff did not deserve to lead at that point. This wasn't vintage by any means and I'm certainly not making any case for it being so but we were better than Cardiff (a half time comment about men against boys I thought was particularly harsh). On the balance of the game, we deserved to win imo.

Here are two things I don't understand.

1> Some people would much prefer Warnock to Smith because Smith doesn't play good football. I watched Cardiff today and my only thought was be careful what you wish for.
2> Some people hate long ball but want Hofmann to play next to Hogan. Presumably for knock downs and holding the ball up from long balls because I can't see anything else that he would bring?
 

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What????? I go to watch 90 mins of football, not 15!!!! We were boring for large parts of today. Boring and predictable. If your idea of entertainment is slow passes across the back, into midfield, back to the back four, into the midfield, back to the keeper, who then launches it forward into the air where three man mountains have the ability to out jump Lasse (who is terrified of getting close to them) & it all starts again. We have lost our way.

I don't agree. We showed in performances against Reading, Preston and QPR that we can play some decent stuff, its the same players playing at the moment. We have had a poor few weeks and as a result the confidence to zip the ball around has dwindled. We don't have the attacking flair that we have in previous seasons but I don't agree that we have lost our way.
 

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Why do we wait until late in the second half to mount a major effort. We didn't seem to pressurise them after they scored the pen.
Terrible refereeing. We only had to breathe on a Cardiff player, for the ref to give a free kick. A soft penalty given, when you consider what was going on elsewhere, and being allowed.

One of our problems is a slow build up, so that by the time we get into their penalty area, it's like Oxford Street in the rush-hour.
Kai Kai took his opportunities well, and we need more shots from distance like his first.
Frustrating game, but I'm thankful that we salvaged the point. Having got back into it with our first equaliser, it was careless to leave Field stranded as the only and last defender.

***One other off the pitch happening!
2 guys started fighting, throwing punches, in the Braemar stand, not that far away from me. Lots of women and young kids near to them, and who were trying to get away from them.

Stewards arrived to break it up, and take them outside. However, it appears that they let the offenders back in again.
This seems very inconsistent with the policy of chucking out anyone fighting. After all, 2 others on here were thrown out, and suspended for giving verbal to stewards.
Anyone else witness this incident? I feel very annoyed about the fact they weren't thrown out, when it disrupted the game for family supporters close to them.

This is what I saw
 

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I am more than happy to stand up to any poster, well respected or not, and say our football is better than you have portrayed here. We were doing ok for 20 minutes and then we let in a goal and went into our shell. We ran out of ideas and options, the movement became non existent and the centre backs though they'd turned into Beckenbauer and started playing balls long into channels. Sawyers was going deeper and deeper to try and get hold of the ball but lack of options and the larger area to play through meant he wasn't going forward - boo him. That changed in the second half when we started playing through the lines again and we opened them up a few times with the keeper making at least two pretty good saves. We got a well deserved equaliser and then got done by a sucker punch and I think anyone in the ground would have said that Cardiff did not deserve to lead at that point. This wasn't vintage by any means and I'm certainly not making any case for it being so but we were better than Cardiff (a half time comment about men against boys I thought was particularly harsh). On the balance of the game, we deserved to win imo.

Here are two things I don't understand.

1> Some people would much prefer Warnock to Smith because Smith doesn't play good football. I watched Cardiff today and my only thought was be careful what you wish for.
2> Some people hate long ball but want Hofmann to play next to Hogan. Presumably for knock downs and holding the ball up from long balls because I can't see anything else that he would bring?
Couldn't agree with you more on the above.
 

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Oh and just watched the Sky highlights. Never a pen in a MILLION years
 

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I am more than happy to stand up to any poster, well respected or not, and say our football is better than you have portrayed here. We were doing ok for 20 minutes and then we let in a goal and went into our shell. We ran out of ideas and options, the movement became non existent and the centre backs though they'd turned into Beckenbauer and started playing balls long into channels. Sawyers was going deeper and deeper to try and get hold of the ball but lack of options and the larger area to play through meant he wasn't going forward - boo him. That changed in the second half when we started playing through the lines again and we opened them up a few times with the keeper making at least two pretty good saves. We got a well deserved equaliser and then got done by a sucker punch and I think anyone in the ground would have said that Cardiff did not deserve to lead at that point. This wasn't vintage by any means and I'm certainly not making any case for it being so but we were better than Cardiff (a half time comment about men against boys I thought was particularly harsh). On the balance of the game, we deserved to win imo.

Here are two things I don't understand.

1> Some people would much prefer Warnock to Smith because Smith doesn't play good football. I watched Cardiff today and my only thought was be careful what you wish for.
2> Some people hate long ball but want Hofmann to play next to Hogan. Presumably for knock downs and holding the ball up from long balls because I can't see anything else that he would bring?

I agree with just about all of this. All I would add is that the reason we improved second half was that Vibe went off, which brought us up to an equal number of men with the opposition, and McEachran was very classy indeed when he came on. This, and KaiKai at last beginning to show us what the fuss is about, made us look pretty good for the last 30 minutes or so. Oh yes, and their keeper's save from Egan was more than pretty good; it was outstanding!
 

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I don't agree. We showed in performances against Reading, Preston and QPR that we can play some decent stuff, its the same players playing at the moment. We have had a poor few weeks and as a result the confidence to zip the ball around has dwindled. We don't have the attacking flair that we have in previous seasons but I don't agree that we have lost our way.

Fair enough. Opinions and all that. I think we have lost our way and we look a poor side. If people are being entertained by what they are witnessing, then who am I to argue? I was so bored at half time, I did what I've never done before. I went to get a drink before the half time whistle. The queue was so long, I went back to my seat. It wasn't only me that was bored sh*tless.
 

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Fair enough. Opinions and all that. I think we have lost our way and we look a poor side. If people are being entertained by what they are witnessing, then who am I to argue? I was so bored at half time, I did what I've never done before. I went to get a drink before the half time whistle. The queue was so long, I went back to my seat. It wasn't only me that was bored sh*tless.

To be fair the last 30 minutes of the first half were poor but you also have to factor in a Warnock side that didn't come to entertain and the typical Boxing day game which normally lacks a bit of tempo and energy on and off the pitch.
 

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Oh and just watched the Sky highlights. Never a pen in a MILLION years

It was. Very clear behind the goal.
 

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I was in the Ealing Road end and I was shocked. Just watched the highlights and think it was very soft
 

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I was in the Ealing Road end and I was shocked. Just watched the highlights and think it was very soft

If you pull the arm of the player, who was attempting to jump for the ball, and the linesman and ref sees it, it's a penalty. The laws are quite clear. We've seen enough penalties given on the tv to know how the refs are interpreting the laws.
 

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If you pull the arm of the player, who was attempting to jump for the ball, and the linesman and ref sees it, it's a penalty. The laws are quite clear. We've seen enough penalties given on the tv to know how the refs are interpreting the laws.

If that's the case there would be 5 penalties per game then
 

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If that's the case there would be 5 penalties per game then

That's where the inconsistency comes into it. As we've said on the ref thread. If you give one, you give them all. Definitely a penalty though.
 

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Just like when Hogan got barged off the ball 2nd half in the area. I see it as good bit of defending, 90% of Ealing road are screaming penalty.
 

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Just like when Hogan got barged off the ball 2nd half in the area. I see it as good bit of defending, 90% of Ealing road are screaming penalty.

Not a penalty for me either. Ball was too long and hogan hadn't a hope of reaching it. The hand ball however.....
 

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Fair enough. Opinions and all that. I think we have lost our way and we look a poor side. If people are being entertained by what they are witnessing, then who am I to argue? I was so bored at half time, I did what I've never done before. I went to get a drink before the half time whistle. The queue was so long, I went back to my seat. It wasn't only me that was bored sh*tless.

I certainly agree that we look a poor side some of the time, but there are other times often during the same game when we look pretty good. This has been the story of DS's management so far and was the story again today. The positives for me over the last few games are that we are trying to play out from the back more, and that the 3-5-2 has bedded in reasonably well. Today, I thought we looked good once we got more fluidity in the midfield (mainly due to Josh Mc) and were more patient in final third. However, we often looked strangely undrilled once the ball gets to the half-way line: there isn't enough movement in front of the ball carrier and there is no out ball; so too often the ball is just lofted forward hopefully or the ball carrier tracks back and plays sideways. It's very annoying. Kicks from the keeper also looked undrilled. Under MW, they always went out left, often toward Dallas when he was on, now they just seem to be hoofed forward ending up as a jump ball for one of our tiny players and the opposition's centre back. Finally, I was infuriated to see Yennaris (just about our smallest player) picking up their late-arriving CB from the long throws today. Fortunately, we didn't pay the price for this but it was utterly idiotic and again suggested a lack of basic organisation. So, overall, I still just about believe that DS can get us playing decent football ( and I do think there is something in the argument that he has not been dealt the strongest hand) but he needs to get us more organised than we are at present and he needs to find a way of getting the best out of the resources we have
 
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There's no way Sawyer's was having a very good game. Slows it down too often

I'm sick of this *****. He is careful with the ball and can make amazing passes when the opportunity is there. Nonsense comment.
 

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I'm sick of this *****. He is careful with the ball and can make amazing passes when the opportunity is there. Nonsense comment.

I'm with you PSG. People see what they want to see.
 

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If you pull the arm of the player, who was attempting to jump for the ball, and the linesman and ref sees it, it's a penalty. The laws are quite clear. We've seen enough penalties given on the tv to know how the refs are interpreting the laws.

So why wasn't Hogan which was far more of a foul then that not given? All I can say is if he gives the Cardiff pen he has to give the Hogan one. He was ***** and his decision favoured Cardiff.
 

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but the ref wasn't in ER can't give anything on view he had, as same as tv view so therefore only guess work handball was pretty clear though :banghead:
 

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Point gained today. Didn't deserve much more than that.

Totally disagree, we had 6 shots to 1 of theirs before a completely shocking pen decision. Second half we had 68% possession and batet d them and their keeper had a blinder and they score with their only shot in the second half.

We weren't great but saying we deserved nothing is agenda making imo.
 

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but the ref wasn't in ER can't give anything on view he had, as same as tv view so therefore only guess work handball was pretty clear though :banghead:

The Linesman can use his mic to tell the ref what he saw though.
 
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