Brentford v Millwall : Reports & reaction

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Well, I'm not sure we are 'learning from our mistakes' are we? We knew what to expect from Millwall and got it. Our now customary mix up at the back and a ball over the top presented them with the lead and as we went for the equaliser, no surprise they got a second. Fantastic to get a point with two goals in the last 5 mins, but this is against a side destined for league one, let's not forget.

Really don't know where we go at the back now, as Warbs has shifted it around and none of the combinations fill me with any confidence and clearly not the players either. Also, what has Chris Long got to do to get a game. From the times I've seen him live, he makes things happen and gets a shot away more often than not (and on target). He didn't even get on today and it puts the defence under more pressure if the guys up front don't make more of all the possession they have. I've said it before, I'll say it again - get Long starting and Gray can do his bit as an impact sub. This is the best chance we've got of making the play offs (no chance of auto now). We are going to leak goals (only 8 more porous defences than ours in this league), so our best chance is to get ahead and take our chances.

I should be delighted with a point, given where we were after 85 mins and at least it's kept us 6th, but so annoyed at us making the same mistakes again and again. "We'll learn from this..." Hmmm - I really hope so.
 

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Ok so we came back but it wasn't thsnks to Tommy Smith . No Long off the bench two weeks running suggests Warbs isn't learning . Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .
 

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Ok so we came back but it wasn't thsnks to Tommy Smith . No Long off the bench two weeks running suggests Warbs isn't learning . Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .

Spot on and Benham is right in replacing Warbs who should have strengthened defence in window.
 

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It's been said for months on this forum. ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE in this league and today was a case in point.
 

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Ok so we came back but it wasn't thsnks to Tommy Smith . No Long off the bench two weeks running suggests Warbs isn't learning . Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .

Not bringing Long was really strange as Andre just not at the races today. Our defending was bloody laughable. We got out of jail with a point we did not deserve
 

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Ok so we came back but it wasn't thsnks to Tommy Smith . No Long off the bench two weeks running suggests Warbs isn't learning . Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .

I agree with all of that, both CBS were cack, should have strengthened in Jan, what a mistake.
 

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Ok so we came back but it wasn't thsnks to Tommy Smith . No Long off the bench two weeks running suggests Warbs isn't learning . Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .

?? Thought he did ok when he came on.
 

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Our CBs are a pair of donkeys no better than L1 standard .

OTT imo, tarkowski has potential to do bettter, dean is mid-table championship at best much as i like him.

smith offers very little. Rightly booked for a crap dive.

2 points dropped, millwalls physicallity overwhelmed us at times and they deserved a point. They man marked us very well for most of the match. A point is better than nothing though.
 
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I find it hard to believe Smith was a better option than Long given the need for immediate impact.
What had Toums done wrong? At least he was disrupting the Millwall midfield. It may be blasphemous, but Douglas was the weaker of the two.
Getting frustrated with Gray, the body language can be awful, and seems a bit of a one trick pony at times.
 

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Well, you knew after 10 minutes we were playing to lose; slow, slow, pass back, slow. Two snails at centre back, Jon "sloth" Douglas and Andre "ping" Gray meant we were like a Cadbury's cream egg, soft all through the middle.

Millwall needed to win and won every header and second ball; we'd like to win "if that's all right with you, please". Only by putting them under severe pressure at the end did we snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat. Lots of questions: why are our CB's so poor; what has JD got to stay on; why didn't we see Long? 1 point from 2 home games, not really promotion form, is it?
 

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Very poor collectively all across the pitch today.

We looked very lackadaisical at the back from the start and the back 5 for me were individually bad (apart from Bidwell) and terrible as a unit. What summed it up for me was when Tarks had his hand up for offside and Dean was about 5 yards behind. Tarks and Dean were both very poor.

Douglas had no real impact today, Dallas should have got the hook at HT and Jota and Pritch had little end product.

Toral and Judge (is he not fit) should have been on at HT & Gray was lucky to last the whole match.

Way too slow passing until the last 10 mins & are soft underbelly was exposed by a hard working, disciplined but limited Millwall (thought the noise from their end was excellent).
 

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Don't get the Long thing , bad mistake.

I thought Dallas was doing ok????

Glad we didn't lose, Millwall very fragile once first went in, although that lump nearly scored for them at the end.....why do we back off so much when defending? Gets on my tits
 

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Not bringing Long was really strange as Andre just not at the races today. Our defending was bloody laughable. We got out of jail with a point we did not deserve

68 per cent possession, 24 shots, nine on target says that we deserved a point at the very least? In our brave new stats-based world. And we kept going to the end. Might not have been the result we were hoping for, but we're still right in there.
 

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Well, you knew after 10 minutes we were playing to lose; slow, slow, pass back, slow. Two snails at centre back, Jon "sloth" Douglas and Andre "ping" Gray meant we were like a Cadbury's cream egg, soft all through the middle.

Millwall needed to win and won every header and second ball; we'd like to win "if that's all right with you, please". Only by putting them under severe pressure at the end did we snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat. Lots of questions: why are our CB's so poor; what has JD got to stay on; why didn't we see Long? 1 point from 2 home games, not really promotion form, is it?

Spot on
 

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Well what can i say................. We got out of jail there............. Millwall must be kicking themselves!!!! We deserved nothing from that. We didnt start playing until Judge came on and started running at them.

I do not know for the life of me why Long wasnt used?? Gray for me was very poor today with his end product and gave us the miss of the season. We just didnt get going and allowed Millwall to assert their strength on the game.

Why oh why we keep getting done by that long ball is so frustrating!!!!! Im fed up of seeing our back line putting their hands up for offside.............. PLAY THE WHISTLE. We need to sort our defence out in the summer...... We need a minimum of 1 commanding CB.

Dean for me was poor again and his weak tackle allowed them to break for the 2nd. Button needs to be more assertive but did ok with a few saves.

Overall i cant complain when we were 2 down with 5-6min left, but its such a good chance for us to reach the PO's. I can see why the club might be going in a new direction in the summer. I dont even bother to clap when we get a corner of freekick now as there is no chance of us ever scoring from one.

Pritchard and Judge (when he came on) did well. A few others needed to step up today or at least wake up. I think we went to 3 at the back and think this could suit us and give us the chance to push 2 up top.

Got out of jail today and need to step up for the full 90mins against these teams.

Atmosphere from us was c**p................... Millwall's fans bearing in mind the season they are having were very good.
 

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Not bringing Long was really strange as Andre just not at the races today. Our defending was bloody laughable. We got out of jail with a point we did not deserve

Know what you mean. I feel so flat at the mo. Feels like a defeat although I ought to be saying well done lads for coming back from 2 down, however feels pretty much like big points dropped. Can't bring myself to feel relieved or grateful for the last-gasp equaliser.
 

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Not sure how we scrapped a point, but we got lucky. Millwall were good, pressed us well, waited for their chance to test our back line and were very disciplined. Great from us to keep going until the end and get 2 back.
Some points:
Yes the defence is shaky and could be improved. At home we play a very high line and when they get behind us via a through ball or over the top we often don't have the pace to catch them. Also, we played best with only one CB on the pitch, not sure what to make of that! Moses, although quality, is not a defender.
Lots of chances, not enough decent opportunities to score. Gray struggled against a physical defence that was well organised, long would have found it hard too and although bringing him on would have allowed us a different option, I don't think he would have done much better.
We will strengthen, remember this is our first championship season. The only way is up for the bees and it will come. I'm loving the championship and will be happy whatever happens.
 
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68 per cent possession, 24 shots, nine on target says that we deserved a point at the very least? In our brave new stats-based world. And we kept going to the end. Might not have been the result we were hoping for, but we're still right in there.

Only stat that matters is the difference between the goals 'for' and 'against' column, and it wasn't what we needed today. Analyse all the stats you want, but letting in soft goals more often than not is going to do for us. Too much read into some stats - look back at the Derby's last two defeats and the stats on shots and possession for those games if you don't believe me.
 
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We were sh*t but I don't agree with some of the above. Thought Gray and Smith both played well.

Our defence is an absolute shambles.
 

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Imo Judge can do what douglas does and more, but we know Warbs won't drop him. Grey's movement is non existent and with out him running in to space it narrows the gaps for other players to run into so we end up playing the ball out wide and then the other team get's their shape back.
 

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No good getting three points at Blackburn and only one from Cardiff and Millwall at home. If we really fancied our chances of promotion, then why oh why didn't we strengthen in January. Still overall we have exceeded expectations this season.
 

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2/31 successful crosses - this highlights a massive shortcoming in our game today. So many crosses failed to beat the first man.
 

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68 per cent possession, 24 shots, nine on target says that we deserved a point at the very least? In our brave new stats-based world. And we kept going to the end. Might not have been the result we were hoping for, but we're still right in there.

Millwall wanted it more and deserved to win. We battered Cardiff last week and lost so Bollox to the stats. The defending was laughable and not bringing on Long was laughable.
 

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No good getting three points at Blackburn and only one from Cardiff and Millwall at home. If we really fancied our chances of promotion, then why oh why didn't we strengthen in January. Still overall we have exceeded expectations this season.

Deals were in place to strengthen. They were scuppered by the DoF and the manager.
 

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Well, I'm not sure we are 'learning from our mistakes' are we? We knew what to expect from Millwall and got it. Our now customary mix up at the back and a ball over the top presented them with the lead and as we went for the equaliser, no surprise they got a second. Fantastic to get a point with two goals in the last 5 mins, but this is against a side destined for league one, let's not forget.

Really don't know where we go at the back now, as Warbs has shifted it around and none of the combinations fill me with any confidence and clearly not the players either. Also, what has Chris Long got to do to get a game. From the times I've seen him live, he makes things happen and gets a shot away more often than not (and on target). He didn't even get on today and it puts the defence under more pressure if the guys up front don't make more of all the possession they have. I've said it before, I'll say it again - get Long starting and Gray can do his bit as an impact sub. This is the best chance we've got of making the play offs (no chance of auto now). We are going to leak goals (only 8 more porous defences than ours in this league), so our best chance is to get ahead and take our chances.

I should be delighted with a point, given where we were after 85 mins and at least it's kept us 6th, but so annoyed at us making the same mistakes again and again. "We'll learn from this..." Hmmm - I really hope so.

I agree with your first point regarding the defence, once again surprise surprise the long ball over the top and they are clean through, Buttons is left in no mans land and its 1.0 against a team who have managed 1 win in around 20 odd games. Second half and HD gives the ball away on the half way line with a sloppy pass and 20 seconds later 2.0.

First half we were OK-ish but very slow in possession. Second half we step it up a bit but still create little.

I completely disagree re Long and Gray. Gray did exceptionally well today considered he was kicked, pushed and pulled and offered no protection from a fairly inept ref. He had 2 opportunities, one was saved and one was a great solo effort that went just over the bar. He is one of the top strikers in this division in this division as the goal charts will show you. Now Long is also a super player but to try to pretend he is the saviour, better than Gray and deserves to start ahead of him is utter tosh. They are both capable and both good change out players. You ask what Long has to do to start, well he started on Tuesday didn't he? It was Grays turn to start and Grays scoring record has earned him that right.

You also criticise the subs by saying Long should have come on but if you had listened to MW against Cardiff he explained why. When these team play 9 at the back you need to break them down, swapping like for like doesn't help. He brought on toral, judge and Wright to try to create something outside the area and it worked.

The truth is we are still in a strong position but it is our habit of gifting 2 goals per game that will ultimately be our undoing and to be fair I will quite enjoy another season in this division if that is how it pans out.

I think today was a case of disaster averted.
 

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Just back, very poor performance against a side struggling for survival, and we are just not learning from our mistakes at the back are we? all at sea at times, that's why we have conceded poor goals in the last 3 matches, two points lost to-day rather than one gained, grudgingly have to give Millwall some credit, would like to have seen Long come on instead of Smith, can't work out the logic behind that one.

Looking at the last two home games has shown we are nowhere near ready for the Premiership, and regardless of where we are next season I would imagine the new coach will make sorting out our defence a priority.

Apart from the disappointment of the last 2 home matches this season has been beyond my wildest expectations, if promotion is not to be hopefully we can do a Bournemouth, learn like they did last season, regroup and come back stronger.
 

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Dean 23yrs
Tarkowski 22yrs
Bidwell 22yrs
Odubajo 21yrs
Gray 23yrs

First season in the Championship. 6th place. Still learning the game.

Championship is mental. Completely unpredictable. Have to be on your A game every week.

Just saying...
 

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If I were a neutral at the game I would write

Promotion challenging Millwall came to relegation threatened Brentford at Griffin Park. Etc etc.

I think Warbs has run out of ideas. For far to long now we have struggled to achieve anything when we get to the last 20 yards. Grey on his own offers no movement, has not the best first touch and with no one around him it all breaks down.

JD is looking very leggy to early in the game.

Yes Uwe came back from 2 down but we did that by putting players forward in the last 15. I think we would have walked this game had we put Millwall under pressure from the start.

Laying on my sofa, suffering from man flu and somewhat angry about what I watched today :(
 

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Kick it forward!!! Oh for f*** sake, don't just lump it up.
Pass it! Oh for f*** sake, don't pass it there.
Great tackle! Oh for f*** sake, now he's gone & lost it.
Brilliant save Button! Oh for f*** sake Button, can't you kick it properly.

LOL Brentford innit.
 

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People calling Toums "Dave"..............................:mad1::banghead:
 

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Kick it forward!!! Oh for f*** sake, don't just lump it up.
Pass it! Oh for f*** sake, don't pass it there.
Great tackle! Oh for f*** sake, now he's gone & lost it.
Brilliant save Button! Oh for f*** sake Button, can't you kick it properly.

LOL Brentford innit.

Some people are just never happy.
 
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It's not a Chris Long GOOD Andre Tray BAD thing, it's a "we need goals and what we're doing isn't working what else can we do" thing, and a young hungry Prem Club striker with some proven scoring ability is on the bench.
 

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Only reason as to why i can see Long not coming on is because we would be changing like for like whilst we needed more width and options.
 

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I am sure I watched the whole game today.....when the hell did that happen?

The ball across the box and Gray swiped and miss hit it wide from about 3 yards................... May or may not have touched it but deffo a horrible miss IMO
 

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It's not a Chris Long GOOD Andre Tray BAD thing, it's a "we need goals and what we're doing isn't working what else can we do" thing, and a young hungry Prem Club striker with some proven scoring ability is on the bench.

Or maybe, just maybe if we take a defender off and put a player on who has scored 4 goals in the last 3 home games and then make the other two subs we might come back from 2.0 down to get a point......and guess what...we did :sorted:
 

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I am sure I watched the whole game today.....when the hell did that happen?

Judge crossed and it went through everyone. Gray was the last man. Could he, should he, have got the last touch? Possibly.
 

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I thought Gray did OK today and worked their defenders with very little protection from the refs.
Why do we keep on getting gutless linos on Braemar who won't make a decision.
Jota and Dallas should have swapped sides as frustrating that both kept cutting in rather than going outside their defender. When Jota did he left Harding for dead and then didn't bother again.
Dunno why he didn't bring Long on, Tommy gave us nothing.
Moses did some brilliant things but really wish he'd gamble and go past his man more often instead of checking and turning backwards and playing the safe ball as frequently as he tends to.
Thought Tarks did ok, Harlee was off the pace and the communication between him and Button non existent. JD looked busy in last 10 minutes but was anonymous for the previous 80 and would have had Macca on at half time as once again we lacked leadership and were being bullied all over the pitch.
 

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Is it my imagination but we get in a football match with teams we are fine but against teams that want to give us a battle physically we haven't got an answer?
 

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What was the reaction in the away end when the equaliser went in?
 
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