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Fair to say it wasn’t down to Bryan that we lost today. He didn’t spark but he was in very good company, the best left sided defender in the Championship Rico had an absolute mare from first until last today, Ethan was culpable for both both goals, Henrik trapped it on one occasion further than many can kick it, Janelt and Josh went AWOL and Ghoddos was playing far too deep to be any use to us today. It happens, seem to recall more than a couple of below par performances against Barnsley in recent years both home and away so just one to consign to the record books.

What’s important is we remember how good we can be, work on eradicating defensive lapses from crosses and conceding early goals, do that and we’ll be fine. A run like this one with 8 wins from next 10 games and happy days.
 

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Fosu came on second half and nothing changed. We didn’t keep or use the ball at all well across the team. Look at the struggle to pick a MOM, no-one rated above a 6. Don’t see the point in picking out Bryan. He’ll come good. Was making good runs but we were just punting it long to him to his head which was never going to work.. just one of those days
 

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Fosu came on second half and nothing changed. We didn’t keep or use the ball at all well across the team. Look at the struggle to pick a MOM, no-one rated above a 6. Don’t see the point in picking out Bryan. He’ll come good. Was making good runs but we were just punting it long to him to his head which was never going to work.. just one of those days
Agree that no one was above a 6 but Fosu definitely contributed more than Bryan in half the time.
Yes, I'm sure Mbeumo will come good but he's shown nothing in his last 4 starts to warrant a starting place ahead of Fosu (or Sergi) who have both been excellent.
 

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Agree that no one was above a 6 but Fosu definitely contributed more than Bryan in half the time.
Yes, I'm sure Mbeumo will come good but he's shown nothing in his last 4 starts to warrant a starting place ahead of Fosu (or Sergi) who have both been excellent.
Bryan was excellent when he came on against Boro. He has such great pace, deffo a player for me to bring on after 65/70 mins against a tiring defence.
 

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It's called rotation. They are all knackered. We have done it well so far. Didn't happen today. Hayho we move on and go again.
I actually don’t think they are knackered,two games a week with all the conditioning they get,and often not playing 90 minutes is not a problem.Given we seem to win every time Fosu starts,personally I would have stuck with him.
 

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Fosu came on second half and nothing changed. We didn’t keep or use the ball at all well across the team. Look at the struggle to pick a MOM, no-one rated above a 6. Don’t see the point in picking out Bryan. He’ll come good. Was making good runs but we were just punting it long to him to his head which was never going to work.. just one of those days
How long are we going to wait for this?

Hes been average at best. a few assists here and there.

Needs to contribute more. As for Fosu etc the game was done by the time they come on, we had set our stall out.
 

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Plays like he spends all night playing computer games. Lots of shoulder shrugs and arm waving. Body language leaves a lot to be desired when others are putting a proper shift in. And looks surprised to be subbed! Don’t be surprised sunshine.

Weak, slow, loses the ball often. Needs to work harder on the training pitch to get back to his best. It’s on him to rediscover that form.
And you mate
I actually don’t think they are knackered,two games a week with all the conditioning they get,and often not playing 90 minutes is not a problem.Given we seem to win every time Fosu starts,personally I would have stuck with him.
How about 3 games in 6 days?
 

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Agree that no one was above a 6 but Fosu definitely contributed more than Bryan in half the time.
Yes, I'm sure Mbeumo will come good but he's shown nothing in his last 4 starts to warrant a starting place ahead of Fosu (or Sergi) who have both been excellent.
I think you're being a little generous! He prob saw more of the ball but didn't do a lot with it. We really didn't look like getting back in the game at all. When the entire team is off changing one or two out at the start wouldn't have made much difference I don't think. We got our tactics wrong, started slowly and they didn't allow us to play once they were ahead. Mbeumo wasn't great but no-one else was either.. Would probably revert back to Canos and Fosu for Wed though with Mbeumo coming on after 60 or so for one of them. Think we just have to chalk this one off and start again. Bryan will be an important part of the rest of the season..
 

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He has been poor all season and back end of last season. Now yes 7 assists but in-between those assists poor.

Now we all know there is talent there. So it's down to hard work, training and coaching.

I wouldn't start him though, he needs to fight for that starting place.

TF needs to help him get back to his next. We all know he is a very good footballer which makes it more frustrating how poor he has been all season.
 

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8 days isn’t it,anyway it’s going to be twice a week until the end of the season.
Exactly. The schedule is a surprise to no one. We’ve had January and decided we have enough. So BM needs to step up for what is a huge 3/4mths. We all know he’s capable

The players have more coaching, conditioning and analysis support than ever before. But it comes down to the individual getting out there and making it happen. Can’t always have someone wiping your chin.

Id be thrilled to see him tear QPR a new one on Weds. We all would. But if he’s not in a place to contribute maybe coming on from the bench for the last 15mins is the better play.
 

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He's got 7 assists, second only to Toney I think?
I want to see him doing more in games. He receives the ball and just looks to bundle past players. Never on the shoulder, cant beat his man and players have sussed his one foot.

I bet his value is no where near what it was last summer.

Its worrying. He has no confidence and it shows.
 

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He is struggling. Think coaches will work with him as they have with Canos and fosu.
 

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He is struggling. Think coaches will work with him as they have with Canos and fosu.
You would hope that they have been working with him since his return at the end of last season when his form took a massive tumble.
 

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I want to see him doing more in games. He receives the ball and just looks to bundle past players. Never on the shoulder, cant beat his man and players have sussed his one foot.

I bet his value is no where near what it was last summer.

Its worrying. He has no confidence and it shows.
Yes, he is struggling a bit, I just don't think today's game is one to judge him on when everyone was pretty awful.. He's still putting a shift in and getting into good positions, he's still v young, I'm sure we'll get him firing again soon.
 

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To me he hasnt been at the races since he had covid last year. My misses is still getting side effect from last year when she had covid quite bad. Thats why Im surprised we never bought in a winger in January. Im sure he will come again but currently I wouldnt start him. Use him more as an impact sub.
 

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Yes, he is struggling a bit, I just don't think today's game is one to judge him on when everyone was pretty awful.. He's still putting a shift in and getting into good positions, he's still v young, I'm sure we'll get him firing again soon.
Hopefully.
 

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He will come good, just going through a difficult patch, same as Canos did. It'll click again soon and he'll be back to his best.
 

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Everyone seems to be in agreement that Bryan is currently a shadow of the player he was at times last season. Yes, nobody played well today and he was no exception, but the issue is that he has looked well off the pace in other recent games that we have bossed. He shouldn't be starting games again until he finds a bit of form. Sergi and Tarique are on a different level to Bryan right now and I do think starting TF would have given us far more of a foothold in the game today. Seven assists this season but the vast majority of those were in the opening games. He is just not contributing enough for a top 2 side at the moment. This is not looking for a scapegoat - everyone was poor today - it's looking ahead to the next games and wondering how we make sure we do better than we did today.
 

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You would hope that they have been working with him since his return at the end of last season when his form took a massive tumble.
Yes, but I guess these things take time. We have seen some return to form just before his last injury. He is a quality player. His confidence needs building and if there is a health issue, then sometimes that can take a while. We know how good he was last season. He will be that again and some. But when is a different matter. Also, as said earlier, today's not a day to judge him alone.
 

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Everyone seems to be in agreement that Bryan is currently a shadow of the player he was at times last season. Yes, nobody played well today and he was no exception, but the issue is that he has looked well off the pace in other recent games that we have bossed. He shouldn't be starting games again until he finds a bit of form. Sergi and Tarique are on a different level to Bryan right now and I do think starting TF would have given us far more of a foothold in the game today. Seven assists this season but the vast majority of those were in the opening games. He is just not contributing enough for a top 2 side at the moment. This is not looking for a scapegoat - everyone was poor today - it's looking ahead to the next games and wondering how we make sure we do better than we did today.
I just don't think he can play himself back into form by not being selected. Playing is how Fosu and Canos got back to playing well.
 

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To me he hasnt been at the races since he had covid last year. My misses is still getting side effect from last year when she had covid quite bad. Thats why Im surprised we never bought in a winger in January. Im sure he will come again but currently I wouldnt start him. Use him more as an impact sub.
Don't think the management/fitness team will take into account how COVID affected your wife, when they decide on whether our players are actually fit enough to start a game, or if we needed to buy more players in January................
 

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IMO Bryan isn't suited to a game with that level of physicality. Fosu should have started IMO.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but think you could be right. He is also lacking in confidence so atm might be better to bring him on against teams that are tired after 70 minutes. Think he needs a goal or 2 to get firing again. Does not become a bad player over night, just going through a bad patch. As we have all seen hundreds of times before most recently with Canos, we need to be patient with young players, he will come good again, trust me.
 
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To me he hasnt been at the races since he had covid last year. My misses is still getting side effect from last year when she had covid quite bad. Thats why Im surprised we never bought in a winger in January. Im sure he will come again but currently I wouldnt start him. Use him more as an impact sub.
Sorry that you wife is still struggling, but Bryan was asymptomatic so has no affects, his health and fitness is monitored every second of the day, if he had a health issue he wouldn’t be playing.
 

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People keep saying Mbeumo was asymptomatic but actually we don't know that. I remember Thomas Frank saying, within the space of about three sentences, that he had no symptoms and then that he was under the weather, or some similar phrase, which was contradictory. For the time being Fosu should start with Bryan coming on after an hour or so. Mbeumo's display yesterday was no worse than that of plenty of others, but he's the one who's getting picked on at the moment. In fact before his minor injury he was on a gradual upward trajectory formwise, though still below his form of last year. We need to be patient.
 

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Also just because you were asymptomatic (no coughs, fevers, etc) at the time doesnt mean you won’t feel some of the longer term effects
 

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I think his problem is not long COVID but a tendency to let his head drop too easily, which in turn probably reflects the pressure he is putting on himself to do well, and the disappointment when he screws up. He's had some pretty good games over the past 3 months along with some poor ones. He just needs to work on the PMA a bit.
 

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FFS he has not got Long Covid! Enough!
And another thing! Being French, he probably doesn’t understand what it means to ‘tear us a new one from the get go’. Years ago I played against a French soccer team, and it seemed that their favourite saying to their forwards was ‘motor maximum’ in a French accent. Hope this helps.
 

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He needs to remember to focus. Perhaps by shouting it at QPR. Gilham would approve.
 

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What made you think it would be him, his really poor display?
It's because there are some on here seem to pick there ^ victims " and unfortunately he is one of them.
We all know that it was a shocking team performance and there were players that had an equally bad game.
It happens.
Personally I would of liked Fosu to have started but with the game against them lot on Wednesday it was right to rotate.
We move on and go again.
 

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Why do people keep mentioning COVID? If he was struggling to recover from it, it would be evident to the highly skilled coaches and medical staff employed by the club.

He's not even playing that badly this season, 7 assists and some brilliant goals. Our system has now changed, though - we play with a target man and as a result Bryan's inverted inside forward role has been replaced by a more traditional winger role with some success. Fosu and Canos are comfortable with both feet and hugging the touchline, that's not Bryan's game.

Given the above, as I've mentioned previously, we ought to give more credence to the idea of playing Bryan on the left. No need to totally sideline a good player just because he is a square peg in a certain position. I also think he could be an option through the middle should Toney miss a game.
 

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Why do people keep mentioning COVID? If he was struggling to recover from it, it would be evident to the highly skilled coaches and medical staff employed by the club.

He's not even playing that badly this season, 7 assists and some brilliant goals. Our system has now changed, though - we play with a target man and as a result Bryan's inverted inside forward role has been replaced by a more traditional winger role with some success. Fosu and Canos are comfortable with both feet and hugging the touchline, that's not Bryan's game.

Given the above, as I've mentioned previously, we ought to give more credence to the idea of playing Bryan on the left. No need to totally sideline a good player just because he is a square peg in a certain position. I also think he could be an option through the middle should Toney miss a game.
It’s a good point. Last season when he was really good he had Herink overlapping constantly - not so much nowadays. As he is more isolated he struggles. He doesn’t really have the ability to take it past 2/3 players like Said did for example - he relied on runners to open the space up for him so he could get half a yard To get a shot off.

If we’re relying more on wingers And crosses I would argue his case to stay left wing.
 

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It’s a good point. Last season when he was really good he had Herink overlapping constantly - not so much nowadays. As he is more isolated he struggles. He doesn’t really have the ability to take it past 2/3 players like Said did for example - he relied on runners to open the space up for him so he could get half a yard To get a shot off.

If we’re relying more on wingers And crosses I would argue his case to stay left wing.
Exactly.

It's also the case that Watkins used to drift wide and let Bryan and Said ghost into central areas. The fluid movement was perfect for Bryan's game, as he likes to play off the shoulder. Not the same with Toney, who is at his best staying within the 18 yard box with his smart movement and sheer physicality.

At times vs Barnsley, Bryan was desperately trying to drift into narrower positions but Ivan wasn't going the other way. Ended up basically walking into eachother.
 

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Given his general loss of form we have in effect only Fosu and Sergi .Ghoddos can play wide but he lacks pace. Makes you wonder at the wisdom of sending Dervisoglu out on loan ? Maybe we tried to bring in another wide player but it didn't work.
 

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Given his general loss of form we have in effect only Fosu and Sergi .Ghoddos can play wide but he lacks pace. Makes you wonder at the wisdom of sending Dervisoglu out on loan ? Maybe we tried to bring in another wide player but it didn't work.
Think the club see Halil as more of a central striker rather than a wide man (seems to be that's where he has played when he has got on the pitch for us) so he'd be 3rd choice there and 4th choice (at best) out wide, makes sense to get him game time elsewhere.

On bryan, and I said this before, I think this most recent little injury came at the worst time as he was just starting to get going again. I don't agree with people that say he's been poor all season I just think he's had a very stop start season and right now in an ideal world we'd probably do what we did at Boro and bring him on with 20-25 mins to go to build his form, fitness and confidence but with a game every 3 days we need to rotate and think we'll carry on seeing him, Fosu and Canos starting 2 out of every 3 games and being off the bench in the other. Just the way it is for now. He's a good player that will come good again.
 

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Think the club see Halil as more of a central striker rather than a wide man (seems to be that's where he has played when he has got on the pitch for us) so he'd be 3rd choice there and 4th choice (at best) out wide, makes sense to get him game time elsewhere.

On bryan, and I said this before, I think this most recent little injury came at the worst time as he was just starting to get going again. I don't agree with people that say he's been poor all season I just think he's had a very stop start season and right now in an ideal world we'd probably do what we did at Boro and bring him on with 20-25 mins to go to build his form, fitness and confidence but with a game every 3 days we need to rotate and think we'll carry on seeing him, Fosu and Canos starting 2 out of every 3 games and being off the bench in the other. Just the way it is for now. He's a good player that will come good again.
As far as l know Halil can play across the front. He would cut in closer to Toney in the same way that Fosu moves in and out of wide positions whereas Bryan sticks to the line mostly. Halil has impressed me ( but who am l ☺) and l would rank him as a challenger for any of the front three positions. I heard there was some concern about his defensive work but IMO he needed pitch time and didn't get it. I think it would have been a huge bonus for us to have him in the tool kit at the mo. IMO we may have made a significant error in shipping him out.
 

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Equal third for assists in the Championship..
He has been poor for most of the season, if you told me this time last year most people would want Fosu starting above Mbeumo I would expect you would have been laugh at. Not anymore Fosu has been excellent since xmas. I just dont know what has happened I was expecting him to be the main man this season.
 

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