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The harder the lad tries at the moment the worse it gets. Needs a bit of time in the B team, no pressure & just to get his touch & confidence back.
 

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The harder the lad tries at the moment the worse it gets. Needs a bit of time in the B team, no pressure & just to get his touch & confidence back.
That's not a bad idea, trouble is we need him for the first team, and can't see the luxury of allowing him another (not that important game) on his schedule.
 

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But apart from that can you remember him contributing anything at all?
Not much he could do, practically everything going forward once he was on was down the left (usually overhit passes that dribbled out for a goalkick if Toney hadnt given away a foul already).
 

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Much like Sergi earlier in the season he's out of form. He has shown spells in games during the last 20 odd games that he still has it but he is definitely struggling for form. Let's get behind him, let the coaching staff get in his ear and support and remind him of how good he is. I learnt my lesson earlier this season by thinking Sergi had completely gone when he clearly hadn't, let's keep the faith with Bryan and the coaching staff to bring him good again for the run in.
 

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Like Canós and Fosu, Mbeumo's contributions are severely limited once Toney gets into a battle with the centre half. Particularly when we're playing against a back 5, as it leaves 2 defenders on our wide attackers. It's only Ghoddos and Marcondes that regularly get up with the attackers in those situations, although Jensen slipping the ball through will also open a defence up. Of the three, Bryan still leads in goal involvements this season, though, albeit Sergi has more actual goals.
 

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Like Canós and Fosu, Mbeumo's contributions are severely limited once Toney gets into a battle with the centre half. Particularly when we're playing against a back 5, as it leaves 2 defenders on our wide attackers. It's only Ghoddos and Marcondes that regularly get up with the attackers in those situations, although Jensen slipping the ball through will also open a defence up. Of the three, Bryan still leads in goal involvements this season, though, albeit Sergi has more actual goals.
You probably hit the nail,on the head.Last year Bryan played with two very different players up front.Ollie ran defences ragged,and Said always attracted the attention of two defenders.Ivan is a very different player,a goal machine for sure,but comparatively static and doesn’t open up the channels like Ollie did.
We are playing a different style which generally has worked for us,but maybe not bringing the best out of Bryan.
 
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Not much he could do, practically everything going forward once he was on was down the left (usually overhit passes that dribbled out for a goalkick if Toney hadnt given away a foul already).
So be proactive, do something about it and get involved. Don’t just wait around to get the ball.
 
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Equal third for assists in the Championship..
The problem is that Bryan had a good start to the season but his form/involvement has dropped off dramatically.
We’ve played 22 league games since we won 3-nil at Luton on 31st October and in that time Bryan has contributed just 2 assists.
Confidence or whatever it’s a problem that needs resolution.
 

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Do not understate the possible impact of long Covid, especially in an elite sportsman, let alone anyone else.
Aaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh

I had to scream.......

Utter rubbish.

He had one positive test. Then two negative...... within two weeks!!!
 

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Do not understate the possible impact of long Covid, especially in an elite sportsman, let alone anyone else.
We of all clubs will be all over the players' health, fitness and performance stats so I would be very surprised if anyone with an inhibiting condition would be anywhere near our first team. The lad is young, still learning the game and is out of form. He is too good not to come good again.
 

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You probably hit the nail,on the head.Last year Bryan played with two very different players up front.Ollie ran defences ragged,and Said always attracted the attention of two defenders.Ivan is a very different player,a goal machine for sure,but comparatively static and doesn’t open up the channels like Ollie did.
We are playing a different style which generally has worked for us,but maybe not bringing the best out of Bryan.
His form went last season and hasn't come back. I said in the summer I'd take what we paid for him. It's just a feeling that he now has a mental block with us and probably needs a fresh start. How many times do we see the sad face after a mistake or wasted opportunity?
 

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Aaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh

I had to scream.......

Utter rubbish.

He had one positive test. Then two negative...... within two weeks!!!
Testing negative any time after a positive result doesn't mean you can't feel the ill effects of the virus. For example, covid could cause pneumonia and many weeks after someone is no longer covid positive the pneumonia could still be present.
 

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Testing negative any time after a positive result doesn't mean you can't feel the ill effects of the virus. For example, covid could cause pneumonia and many weeks after someone is no longer covid positive the pneumonia could still be present.
The point being that our medical team monitor ALL of our players, constantly.
None would be near the first team if they weren't fit enough.
 

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Testing negative any time after a positive result doesn't mean you can't feel the ill effects of the virus. For example, covid could cause pneumonia and many weeks after someone is no longer covid positive the pneumonia could still be present.
This is getting ridiculous.

IT ISN'T LONG COVID!!!!!!!!!
 

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We of all clubs will be all over the players' health, fitness and performance stats so I would be very surprised if anyone with an inhibiting condition would be anywhere near our first team. The lad is young, still learning the game and is out of form. He is too good not to come good again.
This is getting ridiculous.

IT ISN'T LONG COVID!!!!!!!!!
You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.
 

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You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.

If the effects of long Covid are an inability to pass to a team mate and losing the ball near your own penalty area, then I think Bryans definitely got it !
 

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You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.
We fully understand about the long term effects of covid and the impact of long covid.
I'm sure the Brentford medical staff do too.
Every player's fitness is under surveillance during training, after training and before, during and after games.
If there was anything untoward about a players health or fitness the coaches would know about it and he WOULD NOT BE PICKED.
Everyone please stop bringing up this red herring.
 

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I’d imagine the guy is bored out of his brain, stuck in the UK without family or friends, he won’t be the first to be losing motivation every single day this lockdown continues.
One thing is for sure he is miles off what we need at the moment and therefore we have left ourselves with Canos and Fosu to provide from the wide areas, worrying lack of cover that we deemed not worthy of investment in January. We are back to pre Reading at home, so just need something to come off for him and we could be back on the right path
 

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You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.
Jeez.....we have some people.

IF HE WASN’T FIT TO PLAY HE WOULDN’T BE IN THE STARTING XI ffs.

What are some people on?
 

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Long Covid is a reality and so are false positive tests for Sars-Covid-2 infection. I am absolutely not advocating that any of our players have long Covid consequences. I am advocating, however, how serious this pandemic is and that there may be long term consequences and that in an elite athlete that even a minuscule detriment to their performance could impact on their performance. I don't think that that is an unreasonable supposition.
 

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You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.
If only he had a team of world class sports scientists who could asses his fitness and find out he is suffering then they wouldn't play him.
 

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It’s a loss of form. Second season syndrome. Whatever you want to call it?

He’ll bounce back. He’s only 21!!

It has nothing to do with one positive test!! We’ve had others test positive too!!
 

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Long Covid is a reality and so are false positive tests for Sars-Covid-2 infection. I am absolutely not advocating that any of our players have long Covid consequences. I am advocating, however, how serious this pandemic is and that there may be long term consequences and that in an elite athlete that even a minuscule detriment to their performance could impact on their performance. I don't think that that is an unreasonable supposition.
No one is denying long covid exists they're saying he doesn't have it as if he did our medical team would have picked up on it by now
 

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The lads form has gone.
There was a point in the game last night where Jensen had the ball in midfield and played it into a channel for Bryan to run onto and he just didn't anticipate it at all and it ran out for a goal kick.
An in form confident Mbuemo would have started a run, chased it down and if it had of run off the park you applaud the effort.
If he had made the ball then who knows what happened next.
Sad to see.
Let's hope he can turn it around.
 

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He has been really poor this season, it is not scapegoating, it is not bullying, it is just fact. He got a few assists earlier in the season but generally had been pretty blooming awful at times.

It doesn’t make him a bad player, it is just a bad season and it happens. Ollie Watkins had a poor season the year before his 26 goals.

just need to protect him a bit before he clicks again.
 
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I think it’s fairly straightforward.

Defences have started to work him out. He scored twice against Reading. A team that had a young kid at left back who forgot that he comes in on his left foot most of the time. Otherwise he’s almost a one trick pony at the moment.

He’s young, Alone in a big city where his English isn’t the best with no partner or much support. He’s also lost his main buddy in Jeanvier.

He’s probably so bored and fed up with a constant daily diet of training, home, stare at the walls and play video games nonstop.

He can’t socialise, see friends and family or go home for a visit

No wonder his game had gone to pot.

Post lockdown he will be just fine.
 

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No one is denying long covid exists they're saying he doesn't have it as if he did our medical team would have picked up on it by now
Long-covid isn't something that easily identifiable with a test. There may be very slight lasting respiratory damage which wouldn't show on imaging, but could potentially effect function. Bryan has looked gassed early on in games, so to unequivocally rule out any long-term lasting effects of the virus are naive.
 

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Long-covid isn't something that easily identifiable with a test. There may be very slight lasting respiratory damage which wouldn't show on imaging, but could potentially effect function. Bryan has looked gassed early on in games, so to unequivocally rule out any long-term lasting effects of the virus are naive.
Had it been a recent test then you may have a point but I think they'd have known something by now seeing as it's been what 9 months since his 1 positive result? People need to accept he's just out of form and low on confidence and stop looking for things that rean't there.
 

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Had it been a recent test then you may have a point but I think they'd have known something by now seeing as it's been what 9 months since his 1 positive result? People need to accept he's just out of form and low on confidence and stop looking for things that rean't there.
It's called long-covid because it causes long-term damage to the lungs. Respiratory illnesses are very complicated, especially ones born out of a new type of respiratory infection such as covid which has killed millions and effected many more. We can accept the repercussions of smoking many years after someone quits may play a part in long-term respiratory damage. The point is, because it is a relative unknown, especially the long-term effects and because something is not quantifiable with a test or medical imaging doesn't mean it's not impacting on that persons respiratory function still. He may well be physically unaffected by it and could just be out of form, we don't know.
 

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It's called long-covid because it causes long-term damage to the lungs. Respiratory illnesses are very complicated, especially ones born out of a new type of respiratory infection such as covid which has killed millions and effected many more. We can accept the repercussions of smoking many years after someone quits may play a part in long-term respiratory damage. The point is, because it is a relative unknown, especially the long-term effects and because something is not quantifiable with a test or medical imaging doesn't mean it's not impacting on that persons respiratory function still. He may well be physically unaffected by it and could just be out of form, we don't know.
Which is why the constant comments about "could he have it" are pointless, at this moment in time we have to assume the club would pick up if there was even a slight issue with him so for now let's just assume he is out of form and low on confidence and move on.
 

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Please... as posted here many times, he had a single positive test for coronavirus in a sequence of negative tests. He isolated after the positive test and returned to training after the second negative, as per the protocol at the time. They are not COVID-19 tests, they are coronavirus tests and the tests are notoriously unreliable. That in a period of about 10 days. If he had developed the disease COVID-19, he'd hardly have recovered within a few days and got training again.

My youngest son had exactly the same. After Christmas, he was in hospital due to a back injury during which he had 2 coronavirus tests, both negative. A few days later, due to possible contact, he had another test – positive, so self-isolated. After a few more days, he was recalled to hospital for a scan and was required to take another test – negative. He's since had 3 or 4 tests – all negative. He's had no symptoms of COVID-19 and the hospital tells him that a random positive in a sequence of negatives is quite common.

Bryan has lost form but he's also lost the performances of his attacking partners who occupied a lot of defenders and allowed him space which he's not getting now. Over half the way though the season and, of the 3 wide attackers, he's still the one with the greatest number of goal contributions (goals + assists). Working a perm of any two from three is far from ideal but that's what we've got and they could all do with a break. He needs a break from us, too, not scapegoating, and I'm sure he'll continue to provide those contributions.
 

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Imagine yourself as a very young man, difficult for some of us on here I know, but try anyway.

Suddenly in your career, with your two mates and co-workers, you become very well known.
Every time you turn on the TV someone is talking about the three of you, every newspaper has an article about you all, everyone around you says your the bees knees.

Then after a year of this, your mates tell you they’re off to bigger companies, with pay you’d never dream of.

Now they’ve gone, and you can see that they are doing pretty well.

The new guys who’ve filled their place are very good, but you don’t quite work as well with them.
Now everyone’s saying you’re not as good as you used to be.

Your boss doesn’t automatically pick you to do the things that used to do so well.

The black dog of depression descends, and your mind is preoccupied with thinking, why did those two guys get the big offers, and not me.
There’s no TV or media coverage of what you are doing now, and then you read about yourself on some private forum, and think, Wow, is that what people now think of me. That’s awful.

Doubt and lack of confidence reign in your head, and you’re just hoping that someone, somehow will turn up to fire your old enthusiasm, and life will click into place again.

And then one day, unexpectedly, and from somewhere you didn’t expect, this turning point happens, because someone said a kind and thoughtful word for you, and understands what you’ve been going through.
 

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I'm not a medical know all however, I was told there is such a
thing called Long Covid. A friend of mine told me a mate of
his had Covid over six months ago and still feels very weak.
His mate is early thirties. Maybe Bryan has something like that.
 

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You are in denial if you don't believe in the potential long term ill effects of a serious viral infection. Long covid is sadly an absolute reality potentially affecting around 10% of Covid infected patients regardless of severity of symptoms at the time of infection and a profound reason why we should behave to minimise the the risk of this pandemic and behave socially which sadly many have failed to do. Even in its mildest form the consequences in an elite athlete could have significant repercussions on their performance hence my comments. For Gods sake take this seriously.
yeah but it’s nothing to do with Mbeumo
 

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I'm not a medical know all however, I was told there is such a
thing called Long Covid. A friend of mine told me a mate of
his had Covid over six months ago and still feels very weak.
His mate is early thirties. Maybe Bryan has something like that.
he doesn’t
 

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It's called long-covid because it causes long-term damage to the lungs. Respiratory illnesses are very complicated, especially ones born out of a new type of respiratory infection such as covid which has killed millions and effected many more. We can accept the repercussions of smoking many years after someone quits may play a part in long-term respiratory damage. The point is, because it is a relative unknown, especially the long-term effects and because something is not quantifiable with a test or medical imaging doesn't mean it's not impacting on that persons respiratory function still. He may well be physically unaffected by it and could just be out of form, we don't know.
nothing to do with Covid
 

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I'm not a medical know all however, I was told there is such a
thing called Long Covid. A friend of mine told me a mate of
his had Covid over six months ago and still feels very weak.
His mate is early thirties. Maybe Bryan has something like that.
Missing the :fishing:
Is this a wind-up??!! o_O:D
 

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It's called long-covid because it causes long-term damage to the lungs. Respiratory illnesses are very complicated, especially ones born out of a new type of respiratory infection such as covid which has killed millions and effected many more. We can accept the repercussions of smoking many years after someone quits may play a part in long-term respiratory damage. The point is, because it is a relative unknown, especially the long-term effects and because something is not quantifiable with a test or medical imaging doesn't mean it's not impacting on that persons respiratory function still. He may well be physically unaffected by it and could just be out of form, we don't know.
We do know !

Our world class medical team would know if wasn't functioning at % 100.

There are ITK people telling you its nothing to do with Covid , please listen to them
 

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The lads form has gone.
There was a point in the game last night where Jensen had the ball in midfield and played it into a channel for Bryan to run onto and he just didn't anticipate it at all and it ran out for a goal kick.
An in form confident Mbuemo would have started a run, chased it down and if it had of run off the park you applaud the effort.
If he had made the ball then who knows what happened next.
Sad to see.
Let's hope he can turn it around.
I don't know if it was the same incident, but there was one where BM starts his run, then checks it as near offside, and as he checks it the pass came. something was out, timing of his run or the pass, I don't know, but it looked bad.

He has done ok for a Championship player this season, but not been anywhere near the level he was last season. He will come good. The problem is, he needs to play to get his form back (just like Canos after his injury). When he plays, each time it doesn't work for him will be a body blow. He is top quality player in this league. Young and still coping with what's going on, as has been mentioned elsewhere, he is not seeing family/friends and the front line has changed in how it plays. Bryan will be a top quality player for us. Needs time and our support now. Patience isn't a virtue for those who have been knee-jerking since our 22 game unbeaten run.
 

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