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Please... as posted here many times, he had a single positive test for coronavirus in a sequence of negative tests. He isolated after the positive test and returned to training after the second negative, as per the protocol at the time. They are not COVID-19 tests, they are coronavirus tests and the tests are notoriously unreliable. That in a period of about 10 days. If he had developed the disease COVID-19, he'd hardly have recovered within a few days and got training again.

My youngest son had exactly the same. After Christmas, he was in hospital due to a back injury during which he had 2 coronavirus tests, both negative. A few days later, due to possible contact, he had another test – positive, so self-isolated. After a few more days, he was recalled to hospital for a scan and was required to take another test – negative. He's since had 3 or 4 tests – all negative. He's had no symptoms of COVID-19 and the hospital tells him that a random positive in a sequence of negatives is quite common.

Bryan has lost form but he's also lost the performances of his attacking partners who occupied a lot of defenders and allowed him space which he's not getting now. Over half the way though the season and, of the 3 wide attackers, he's still the one with the greatest number of goal contributions (goals + assists). Working a perm of any two from three is far from ideal but that's what we've got and they could all do with a break. He needs a break from us, too, not scapegoating, and I'm sure he'll continue to provide those contributions.
I agree, the false positive rate of the PCR test is apparently very high. For Bryan to have one positive among a string of negative, without developing symptoms would lean towards a false positive result and not therefore be a contributing factor to his form.
 

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We saw in his first six months that he can be a very good player. After the break he was a pale shadow of his former self, and I don't think anyone should rule out COVID playing a role in that. But now it feels more a confidence issue. He needs support and a degree of patience.
 

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I'm not a medical know all however, I was told there is such a
thing called Long Covid. A friend of mine told me a mate of
his had Covid over six months ago and still feels very weak.
His mate is early thirties. Maybe Bryan has something like that.
we wouldn't select him in that case would we !

its not covid
 

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I think it’s fairly straightforward.

Defences have started to work him out. He scored twice against Reading. A team that had a young kid at left back who forgot that he comes in on his left foot most of the time. Otherwise he’s almost a one trick pony at the moment.

He’s young, Alone in a big city where his English isn’t the best with no partner or much support. He’s also lost his main buddy in Jeanvier.

He’s probably so bored and fed up with a constant daily diet of training, home, stare at the walls and play video games nonstop.

He can’t socialise, see friends and family or go home for a visit

No wonder his game had gone to pot.

Post lockdown he will be just fine.
I think the impact of what you highlight above is far more likely a cause of his indifferent form than any supposed ill effects he's suffering from as a result of a mild form of the virus 9 months ago.

Not sure you can as yet make an evidential case for long covid and pin it on an individual when the current Govt have only started funding a £10m study.

IMO I think others should wait for the empirical evidence before making unsubstantiated claims regarding the long term effects of infection.
 

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I hope he has a great game and scores lots of goals regards Vid&Co
 

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Jeez.....we have some people.

IF HE WASN’T FIT TO PLAY HE WOULDN’T BE IN THE STARTING XI ffs.

What are some people on?
That might be true if we had an abundance of players ready to step into his shoes, but sadly we ain't and for a very good reason.
 

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Long-covid isn't something that easily identifiable with a test. There may be very slight lasting respiratory damage which wouldn't show on imaging, but could potentially effect function. Bryan has looked gassed early on in games, so to unequivocally rule out any long-term lasting effects of the virus are naive.
No mate, you dissing our club’s entire medical team with your post is naive. I can unequivocally rule Long covid out because his positive test was asymptomatic. Therefore, no lasting damage.

It’s extremely lazy to keep wheeling out this falsehood and completely unfair on the player. The likely explanation is North London Bee’s post. He’s 21, alone away from home and clearly struggling in confidence.
 

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Re the defences have worked him out argument... I think this is a bit old hat now. They worked him out long ago and have been teaming up on his left foot at least since the start of the season, if not before. As far as I am concerned we had already identified this as an opportunity a good while back, and have profited with at least two goals which spring to mind i.e. the one where Bryan unexpectedly cut back onto his far from useless right foot to stand up a delicious chip for Tariq to nod in (Bournemouth?); and then when he kind of drifted infield without actually fully cutting in onto his left, and then playing in Jensen on the overlap into the huge whole he had created. I think we've kind of forgotten to exploit this rich vein recently.

No, for me, Bryan is simply out of form and lacking confidence as a consequence. He's a bit streaky as a player. BUT, he's still dangerous, and can come up with a vital contribution at any time. The numbers don't lie. He's a potent weapon, even off form. Don't ever expect the extravagance of a Benrahma or even a Jota. His most telling contributions tend to be uncomplicated and minimalistic.

Keep the faith, he's a good lad and will still play a key role in the run-in, for me. Vas-y Bryan!
 

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We fully understand about the long term effects of covid and the impact of long covid.
I'm sure the Brentford medical staff do too.
Every player's fitness is under surveillance during training, after training and before, during and after games.
If there was anything untoward about a players health or fitness the coaches would know about it and he WOULD NOT BE PICKED.
Everyone please stop bringing up this red herring.
Surely the bottom line is whether or not he is able to contribute anything on the pitch. If he is good enough with a busted toe for instance, he should be picked. We are going for promotion and we can I’ll afford to pick him week after week until he comes good ( even in rotation). I think, for the time being, he should be rested. I last saw him actually play ‘live’ when we drew with Derby at home, and he wasn’t really in the game. That was a long time ago now.
 

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Young Bryan is as we know a confidence player. I think he's also an instinctive player. Just not happening at moment. Hoping he goes on a real hot streak soon.
 

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Another shrug and puff of the cheeks as he was subbed off. Does he think he’s contributing or something? Maybe his lack of awareness isn’t just about defenders.
 

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Meh, shadow of the player he was.

Why not play him on the left siide where he can open the play up and beat his man on the natural side.

The inverted wing play is killing him IMO. Defenders need to show him down the line and double up on the inside.

Too predictable.
 

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Meh, shadow of the player he was.

Why not play him on the left siide where he can open the play up and beat his man on the natural side.

The inverted wing play is killing him IMO. Defenders need to show him down the line and double up on the inside.

Too predictable.
Or just have the wingers cross over a lot more during a match - keep the full backs guessing.
 

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Needs to be playing on the left for a while and I wonder if LWB might be an option given our likely lack of defenders for the next few weeks.
 

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Needs to be playing on the left for a while and I wonder if LWB might be an option given our likely lack of defenders for the next few weeks.
I was wondering whether we might look at playing him there as well, we going to have to pull something out of the hat to cover for Rico's injury
 

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I wonder if he could do a job upfront without Toney, can hold the ball up and win freekicks
 

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Really interesting call for Thomas. Sergi played himself back into form; Bryan’s playing himself further and further away with every game. And yet, you know, one goal and he’ll be a different player.... Bearing in mind we have two left-footed CBs, LWB may indeed be the option in the very short term.
 

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I quite like the idea of him at LWB for a few games as per suggestions above. Might allow him to ‘reset’ somewhat and build a bit of confidence back. Having said that- he’s never struck me as being particularly good at defending.
 

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I quite like the idea of him at LWB for a few games as per suggestions above. Might allow him to ‘reset’ somewhat and build a bit of confidence back. Having said that- he’s never struck me as being particularly good at defending.
Not sure he can tackle well enough
 

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Yep, definitely in a back 5 only. Bryan at LB in a back four would terrify me.
 

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Really interesting call for Thomas. Sergi played himself back into form; Bryan’s playing himself further and further away with every game. And yet, you know, one goal and he’ll be a different player.... Bearing in mind we have two left-footed CBs, LWB may indeed be the option in the very short term.
We said that after Reading.
 

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Surely the bottom line is whether or not he is able to contribute anything on the pitch. If he is good enough with a busted toe for instance, he should be picked. We are going for promotion and we can I’ll afford to pick him week after week until he comes good ( even in rotation). I think, for the time being, he should be rested. I last saw him actually play ‘live’ when we drew with Derby at home, and he wasn’t really in the game. That was a long time ago now.
Please re-read my post Sandybee.
My comment was about Mbeumo's fitness/heath ONLY.
His form, or lack of, is a completely different matter.

In my personal opinion Mbeumo should not be first choice at the moment.
I don't think he has been the same since the restart after Lockdown #1, has only contributed 2 assists since October (3-0 at Luton) and has really done nothing of note since our January restart. At the moment he just is not contributing enough to justify a start (Fosu and Canos do).
Confidence? Homesick? Second season suss-out? Lonely?
I haven't a clue BUT IT IS NOT FITNESS OR HEALTH RELATED.
 

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He really needs to get a better work ethic in the coming games as we will have to rely on him a lot more for the occasional goalwith Toney out....was absolute awful at cov but he has class...needs to sort his head out though and fkin quick ;)
 

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I’m not sure if he should start, play left wing back or up front Wednesday......god we could do with a game out of him
 

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Second season syndrome for Bryan finding it tougher without Watkins & Benrahma I’m sure. I have no doubts Bryan will find his mojo again I have a lot of belief in this young lad
 

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It's not just second season.

I first went to work abroad when I was 22 going on 23, so about Bryan's age. There was no Covid, no lockdown, and I could speak the language, but it was still difficult, having to cope with a new country, different admin and rules. Plus you leave work and you're on your own, not knowing anyone. It was hard work at first, but at least I could go back to the UK to see my folks and have a pint or two with my mates from time to time, plus gradually set up a social life, bit by bit, through meeting people, in social settings.

There were still some lonely moments.

I can't imagine how hard it must be to be 22 years old and move to a foreign country at the moment, with no prospect of a social life.
 

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It's not just second season.

I first went to work abroad when I was 22 going on 23, so about Bryan's age. There was no Covid, no lockdown, and I could speak the language, but it was still difficult, having to cope with a new country, different admin and rules. Plus you leave work and you're on your own, not knowing anyone. It was hard work at first, but at least I could go back to the UK to see my folks and have a pint or two with my mates from time to time, plus gradually set up a social life, bit by bit, through meeting people, in social settings.

There were still some lonely moments.

I can't imagine how hard it must be to be 22 years old and move to a foreign country at the moment, with no prospect of a social life.
I get the impression he sits in his bedroom playing games over the internet with his mates like most young blokes seem to do nowadays. When I think back to when I was his age working in Deutschland we went out Friday night and rarely got home till Sunday afternoon.
 

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It's not just second season.

I first went to work abroad when I was 22 going on 23, so about Bryan's age. There was no Covid, no lockdown, and I could speak the language, but it was still difficult, having to cope with a new country, different admin and rules. Plus you leave work and you're on your own, not knowing anyone. It was hard work at first, but at least I could go back to the UK to see my folks and have a pint or two with my mates from time to time, plus gradually set up a social life, bit by bit, through meeting people, in social settings.

There were still some lonely moments.

I can't imagine how hard it must be to be 22 years old and move to a foreign country at the moment, with no prospect of a social life.
Fantastic post, I did the same at 24 to Australia without knowing anyone.

Most people wont understand those kind of struggles, because most people don't do it! Some times to live an extraordinary life, you need to learn extraordinary resilience, and as he grows and matures, it will get easier for him. He's still one of our best players in my eyes, and will come good again, even if it's next season.
 

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How do you know? He might not even know.
Because he was asypmtomatic and also he wouldn't be fit enough to play football if he had any illness.
and double also , the ITK people on here have told us he hasn't .
 

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How do you know? He might not even know.
Don't you think the fitness and conditioning team would know or at least noticed something is the last eight months? This persistence of an idea against all the evidence is quite odd.
 

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Don't you think the fitness and conditioning team would know or at least noticed something is the last eight months? This persistence of an idea against all the evidence is quite odd.
Usually yes but there is a chance, even if it's a remote chance, that they are unaware of something affecting his ability. All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
 

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