Bucket Collection v Brighton

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£791 collected on Saturday. Many thanks to all who contributed. :sorted:

A note of thanks to the person who stood in for one of regular collectors on the Braemar :sorted:
 

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If we ever get back to this situation, we're going to need a ****ing big bucket. :(
 

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Amazing to think how far we have come in such a short space of time
 

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I actually think now that if MB was to leave, we'd be a great buy for someone. Hopefully this won't ever happen for a long long time but still - with Lionel road, the division were in, the squad we currently have... What's not to like?
 

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I actually think now that if MB was to leave, we'd be a great buy for someone. Hopefully this won't ever happen for a long long time but still - with Lionel road, the division were in, the squad we currently have... What's not to like?

If MB builds LR and writes off his investment , I would happy to buy BFC for a nominal charge of £1 say.
 

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If MB builds LR and writes off his investment , I would happy to buy BFC for a nominal charge of £1 say.

Are you expecting that you could run BFC and keep us in the Championship at Lionel Road on a break-even basis because if that is the supposition behind your statement I suspect that you would be bankrupted when the first payroll under your ownership became due.

Your lawyer would be telling you to find someone you hate...... give them BFC for nothing and write off your £1.

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Are you expecting that you could run BFC and keep us in the Championship at Lionel Road on a break-even basis because if that is the supposition behind your statement I suspect that you would be bankrupted when the first payroll under your ownership became due.

Your lawyer would be telling you to find someone you hate...... give them BFC for nothing and write off your £1.

:wave:

Fair points.

I will ask MB for his best price , but not go over 50p.

One thing that you do not know about is my contingency fund of my kids pocket money.
 

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Fair points.

I will ask MB for his best price , but not go over 50p.

If you want to own a Championship club in a decent modern stadium you don't have to wait for Lionel Road Bish. You can have a controlling stake in Reading FC for your £1...........of course it comes with £38m of debt but hey that simply saves you from building up BFC to this level of debt after maybe six years in the Championship under your ownership. :D

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/reading-fc-russian-billionaire-anton-3609874
 

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If you want to own a Championship club in a decent modern stadium you don't have to wait for Lionel Road Bish. You can have a controlling stake in Reading FC for your £1...........of course it comes with £38m of debt but hey that simply saves you from building up BFC to this level of debt after maybe six years in the Championship under your ownership. :D

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/reading-fc-russian-billionaire-anton-3609874

Seriously frightening, I'm begining to think that the vast majoity of football clubs are ran on debt. How long would MB put up with this before he put the bees up for sale?
 

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Seriously frightening, I'm begining to think that the vast majoity of football clubs are ran on debt. How long would MB put up with this before he put the bees up for sale?

The world is run on debt just look at your mortgage statement.
 

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The world is run on debt just look at your mortgage statement.

I think that this was Ron Noades philosophy too when he owned Brentford Football Club......until of course the bank that was owed the bulk of the debt against the security of Griffin Park decided that they wanted their monies back and the 'world' with a postcode TW8 was no longer a part of the system.
 

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Or you can suck this one up Bish from a Club with a brand new stadium and with the highest average attendance in the Championship............some 7k per match more than the Lionel Road capacity.

Losses £23.3m in their first two seasons in the Championship.

But hey........'The world runs on debt... just look at your mortgage statement' (copyright Hullbee 2014)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26055733
 
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The world is run on debt just look at your mortgage statement.

Not in my world mate, I'm one of the lucky ones. I paid cash for my home in1997 cash up front for me . I hate debt amd that's the reason loads of people have led sh*t lives for the last eight years. I would hope that many never let it happen again.
 

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Seriously frightening, I'm begining to think that the vast majoity of football clubs are ran on debt. How long would MB put up with this before he put the bees up for sale?

I suppose the good news here is that he knew what he was getting into and still got in any way, so hopefully there is a plan. Maybe there is a thought that something has got to give at some point, a day of reckoning for football as an industry, that will result in an adjustment to something thats actually sustainable? Unfortunately that day of reckoning will probably only come about by first running into a brick wall at full speed and many clubs will go bust as a result. Thats my cheery thought for the weekend
 

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Not in my world mate, I'm one of the lucky ones. I paid cash for my home in1997 cash up front for me . I hate debt amd that's the reason loads of people have led sh*t lives for the last eight years. I would hope that many never let it happen again.

Depends what interest rate you are getting and whether you do something with the capital that delivers a higher rate :sorted:
 

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Or you can suck this one up Bish from a Club with a brand new stadium and with the highest average attendance in the Championship............some 7k per match more than the Lionel Road capacity.

Losses £23.3m in their first two seasons in the Championship.

But hey........'The world runs on debt... just look at your mortgage statement' (copyright Hullbee 2014)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26055733

I hadnt realised they had the highest attendance in the FL. Wow. In their promotion year just 3 years ago they were getting crowds of 6,600 at the Withdean. Now 27,000 Wow

With this and the excellent ST sales, for the first time for me it begs the question of whether LR will be big enough, or at least whether we can look at realistic options for its expansion if we get close to selling out, something a bit more than hanging over the top of the railway line.
 

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Which all goes to show that ticket sales are not the single statistic that so many focus on; they will never cover the team budget at Championship level, however big the ground or the attendance. The big money has got to come from player sales... and having a scouting, youth and academy 'machine' is the most important thing, which I think MB has already worked out.
 

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Debt 50-100 million reach the promised land and its worth it given the financial benefits don't and well that's Businness and someone has to drop out eventually
 

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Depends what interest rate you are getting and whether you do something with the capital that delivers a higher rate :sorted:

Only decent interest rates you get these daysare from companys that can easily go to the wall, ok if your willing to take the risk. If you know something that I don't, then please share it.
 

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I hadnt realised they had the highest attendance in the FL. Wow. In their promotion year just 3 years ago they were getting crowds of 6,600 at the Withdean. Now 27,000 Wow

With this and the excellent ST sales, for the first time for me it begs the question of whether LR will be big enough, or at least whether we can look at realistic options for its expansion if we get close to selling out, something a bit more than hanging over the top of the railway line.

Sussex has a population of 1.7m with nearly 400k of them living in East Sussex.
 

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Only decent interest rates you get these daysare from companys that can easily go to the wall, ok if your willing to take the risk. If you know something that I don't, then please share it.

BP, Friends Life, Astra Zeneca all offer dividend yields >4%. Though this might be off topic now, but I was asked to share
 

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As a general rule the financial demands increase the higher up the football ladder you climb.

I responded to Ace Face statement that if we were in the Championship at Lionel Road and free of debt then he'd buy the Club from MB for £1. This from a generally clued in supporter gives the impression that any financing issues finish with the move into Lionel Road. I disagree and whilst a new stadium will relieve some of the annual financing pressure it doesn't make it go away entirely.

It's not really about 'debt' it's all about the operating costs/losses at Championship level and whilst a player sale or two may enable you to turn a profit for one year on rolling three and five year cycles you cannot maintain player sales as a business plan and at the same time nail down your position in the football hierarchy. Put it another way........Ace Face would take it all on for £1. On the other side of the argument if MB offered to give me BFC in 2017 when we are at Lionel Road on the understanding that he'd also pony up £10m up front for the first five years of my ownership on the understanding that I couldn't sell on or find a partner for at least five years then I'd run a mile.

As soon as I read anywhere the words........ 'Championship football club and sustainability'...........'Then I reach for my revolver' (copyright sort of Hermann Goering ).
 

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As a general rule the financial demands increase the higher up the football ladder you climb.

I responded to Ace Face statement that if we were in the Championship at Lionel Road and free of debt then he'd buy the Club from MB for £1. This from a generally clued in supporter gives the impression that any financing issues finish with the move into Lionel Road. I disagree and whilst a new stadium will relieve some of the annual financing pressure it doesn't make it go away entirely.

It's not really about 'debt' it's all about the operating costs/losses at Championship level and whilst a player sale or two may enable you to turn a profit for one year on rolling three and five year cycles you cannot maintain player sales as a business plan and at the same time nail down your position in the football hierarchy. Put it another way........Ace Face would take it all on for £1. On the other side of the argument if MB offered to give me BFC in 2017 when we are at Lionel Road on the understanding that he'd also pony up £10m up front for the first five years of my ownership on the understanding that I couldn't sell on or find a partner for at least five years then I'd run a mile.

As soon as I read anywhere the words........ 'Championship football club and sustainability'...........'Then I reach for my revolver' (copyright sort of Hermann Goering ).

Always love your posts, wish you posted more, calmness and common sense, just what the GPG needs. I often quote your 'make sure all your suprises are pleasant' line
 

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As a general rule the financial demands increase the higher up the football ladder you climb.

I responded to Ace Face statement that if we were in the Championship at Lionel Road and free of debt then he'd buy the Club from MB for £1. This from a generally clued in supporter gives the impression that any financing issues finish with the move into Lionel Road. I disagree and whilst a new stadium will relieve some of the annual financing pressure it doesn't make it go away entirely.

It's not really about 'debt' it's all about the operating costs/losses at Championship level and whilst a player sale or two may enable you to turn a profit for one year on rolling three and five year cycles you cannot maintain player sales as a business plan and at the same time nail down your position in the football hierarchy. Put it another way........Ace Face would take it all on for £1. On the other side of the argument if MB offered to give me BFC in 2017 when we are at Lionel Road on the understanding that he'd also pony up £10m up front for the first five years of my ownership on the understanding that I couldn't sell on or find a partner for at least five years then I'd run a mile.

As soon as I read anywhere the words........ 'Championship football club and sustainability'...........'Then I reach for my revolver' (copyright sort of Hermann Goering ).

I was joking and apologise if I came across as serious.

Look at BHA massive crowd and commercial/catering income and still massive losses.
 
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