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This two-pronged strike force is too lightweight to be effective at this level. Plus consider their strike rates in the league


Rankin - played 137, goals 27
Burton - played 230, goals 44

Total 367 games for 71 goals. A combined strike rate of less than one goal every 5 games. Given the above if Burton plays 46 games he will score 9 goals this season and Rankin also 9 goals. Hmmm lets hope the defence can be tightened up a bit! We desperately need a big target man and lets hope Harrold can fit the bill and stay fit.

Perhaps we should take one on loan?
 
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Well said. They weren't at their best yesterday but give them a chance!
 

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what is with the panicking after only one game? :nono:
I thought Rankin looked dangerous yesterday and did well to set up Rhodes for the goal. Burton won a good deal in the air against two tall centre-halves. Given time i am confident they will produce, plus the strike rates you have quoted there are largely in higher division
 

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We`ve 2 new strikers, give them a couple of games to gel. Give the whole team a couple more games, we`ll come good..............I hope. Get off their backs after one lousy game.
 

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I think they'll both score goals together - but the only way they will do that is if they get decent service and play to their strengths (ie. on the floor and not in the air).

The service yesterday was appalling - how where they meant to win anything in the air against Blatherwick?
 

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Don't panic - once they have been taught the art of scoring goals by young Rhodes (who had no problem with the service), they will be scoring at least once every game!

Of course we have one player who is doing that already, but bearing in mind how the wage structure will look I cannot see the starting forward duo being changed any time soon.
 

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Strike rates? lol Try working out the strike rates of Vine, Mickey Tony-Curry, May, Wright, etc.
 

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Bit harsh to judge them on the first game, in blazing heat, against possibly the most effective aerial centre-backs in the division. Keep the faith!
 

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Simon C said:
Strike rates? lol Try working out the strike rates of Vine, Mickey Tony-Curry, May, Wright, etc.

Not sure about Vine or M A-C, but the statistics for last season's strikers are (in all competitions):

May: 40 games, 7 goals
Wright: 26 games, 3 goals
Harrold: 14 games, 5 goals
Rhodes: 2 games, 1 goal
 

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South Wales Bee said:
Not sure about Vine or M A-C, but the statistics for last season's strikers are (in all competitions):

May: 40 games, 7 goals
Wright: 26 games, 3 goals
Harrold: 14 games, 5 goals
Rhodes: 2 games, 1 goal

Cheers geek. :sorted:
 

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I thought Rankin looked dangerous yesterday and did well to set up Rhodes for the goal. [/QUOTE]
So he wasn't just slow and easily tackled and thus their defender set up our goal then? Trust me cos this is what happened, Rankin was pedestrian and half a yard slower than their snail paced CB's. :nono:

All this talk of Rankin/Burton = goals is a strange one. I suggest we hope that they do something they have not done before then. I'm all for giving them a chance but their records are **** poor. Happy to eat humble pie on this one though. :sad:

Bit harsh to judge them on the first game, in blazing heat, against possibly the most effective aerial centre-backs in the division. Keep the faith!
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Ed, agree with you here as they only had scraps but how about the chance where Rankin tried to deflect the ball home with a little flick? Did he not have time to control and turn? He smacked me as a boy with zero confidence - that chance, the one where the keeper dropped it, the shot (passback) when he had a yard on the CB etc. I didn't see a goalscorer there, did you?
 

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Although there may not be loads of goals in these two from the past Burton looks like he could do it at this level, to date not sure of Rankin. I agree with above that he looked a bit short on confidence to me. That little half flick at the end is the sort of goal a player in form gets.

Its early days but the 20 goal "fox in the box" we so desperately need may come in the form of Rhodes, I can see him getting on the end of Burton's clever little flicks and chips.
 

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come on i thought mark the trolley was a god :eek: after this first game a few years ago so don't be so quick to judge
 

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For God's sake, everyone, can we all please stop panicking after ONE game. This is the typical Brentford supporter all over - one bad result and the knives are out.

Now, it could well be that these two are not going to do the job for us, but getting on their backs after ONE game is not going to help anybody, especially them (Rankin in particular) if they happen to read this.

They MUST be given at least a few games to see what they can do. Has everyone's faith in MA already gone? Is the honeymoon period already over?

Let's please get a sense of persepctive. New players often take a while to gel. The least that can be said is that we're far better off with MA as manager than the clown. Let's all be positive - at least for a few more games, PLEASE!
 

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Apparently Chesterfields CB Blatherwick had a good game .... that could not of been expected as I have seen him at GP for the last 2 seasons and has looked like he should be taking people for rides on Blackpool beach ... he got sent off 2 seasons ago for a bad challenge on Steve evens so who was to know that he has turned into a footballer since then.

Lets give the boyz a chance eh ... if Burton and Rankin hit it off (that might take a little time) they could walk this league!!!
 

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Blatherwick's the same as ever- a large tough old school CB. Unfortunately on Saturday he positioned himself well and we played right into his strengths by playing high balls into the box almost all of which he won. He wouldn't have if we'd played to feet more. But in any case, Chesterfield's defence agaisnt us in the past couple of seasons has been pretty tight.
 

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Edmundo said:
Bit harsh to judge them on the first game, in blazing heat, against possibly the most effective aerial centre-backs in the division. Keep the faith!

Good one Ed !!!
Cant believe the cr*p people write !!

andyrew said:
Rankin - played 137, goals 27

61 as sub not always good to judge !!!
Many of these games were in the Premiership in a poor Bradford side !!

andyrew said:
Burton - played 230, goals 44
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74 games as sub
Again premier league games.

These players have the quality, It will show !!
 

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The best our forwards have looked is against reading where we kept the ball on the deck for what felt like 20 consecutive passes at a time.

I am sure we will be a different kettle of fish at home, but we need to adapt our away strategy a to get a few away results. For example, if we are not going to play simple keep ball in the away games and resort to hoofball, then get harrold on when fit and hutch back in the team and pack the midfield out a bit more. We couls start to grind out some results to add to what I am sure will be a formidable home record :)
 

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Edmundo said:
Bit harsh to judge them on the first game, in blazing heat, against possibly the most effective aerial centre-backs in the division. Keep the faith!

While I agree with you point about judging it on one game, aren't you doing the same regarding the Chesterfield defenders (I realise you have seen Blatherwick before (I don't know who played alongside him)) but as of yet we have no idea what other teams defences are made of due to new signings and pre season training etc. Therefore it could be valid that we do lack a bit of presence in the air and therefore need to attack more through flowing passing football?
 

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at 50's Burton & 33's Isiah, I twas pleased. Now they need to keep banging them in
 

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In the second half espeically this partnership began to look the part and some of the link up play was outstanding. In particular Burton is always looking for a knock down or a lay off for a player in a better position.
Give them a few more games and this combo could be top knotch. :)
 

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I was quietly impressed by what i saw last night from the pair.
Rankin has undoubted pace and a great first touch. He seems to have lost some weight. If he can convert 50% of the chances he will create, could get 20+.

Burton, I thought probably had a better game and looked very useful in the air against taller defenders, he also had the the great asset of creating himself space and bringing other players in.

What with Salako and Tabby showing their undoubted quality on the flanks we could be set for some real goal-fests.
 

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Rankin made some great runs dragging defenders with him and Burton looked like a quality forward who will score goals for us. The stats don't show how many assists they get per season - I'd suggest that they will create as many goals as they score this season.
 

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I think they will both get goals with good service and things were encouraging last night.

Just about evey one of Salako's corners created problems for Chesterfield.

One thing that concerns me is that Tabby is so much more efective in the middle but is isolated on the wing. Every time he drifts into the middle something happens. I'd rather see him play a central role in place of hargreaves tbh who puts in a lot of effort but is not exactly creative. Apparently he has played on the wing before though so maybe we should swap him and Tabb over?
 

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I'd like to see Rhodes left wing ,Salako right , Tabb where ever the **** he wants to be ! It'll scare the s hit out of teams with Rankins and Burtons pace too ! Dont know who I'd drop ! ::

Cant complain too much after last night though
 

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Mikey Bee said:
Rankin made some great runs dragging defenders with him and Burton looked like a quality forward who will score goals for us. The stats don't show how many assists they get per season - I'd suggest that they will create as many goals as they score this season.

Don't forget that they are also playing in a lower division than they generally have. What are their Div 2 records like? I'd imagine pretty sh*t hot.

The only negative I'd have about them from last night was that at times their movement wasn't up to scratch. Too much ballwatching and not enough making runs. Saying that, MA and the team have done a cracking job as the overweight Rankin we saw at Grimsby is now nowhere to be seen.
 
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This two-pronged strike force is too lightweight to be effective at this level. Plus consider their strike rates in the league


Rankin - played 137, goals 27
Burton - played 230, goals 44

Total 367 games for 71 goals. A combined strike rate of less than one goal every 5 games. Given the above if Burton plays 46 games he will score 9 goals this season and Rankin also 9 goals. Hmmm lets hope the defence can be tightened up a bit! We desperately need a big target man and lets hope Harrold can fit the bill and stay fit.

Perhaps we should take one on loan?
********So what does yer think now?********
 

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To date I've been unimpressed - cannot believe they have both gone for £1m. For the first half of his time here I would have rated Ben May as a more effective player. My old man reckons Rankin always makes the wrong decisions - i.e. he'll turn right when he needs to go left, cut inside when he should not; also made the point that Burton looks much better when things are going well. So far I reckon he is right on both scores.
 

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There both on a year contract so if they don't do the business in League 1 for us MA will most likely not offer them a new contract. But I still believe we have not seen the best from them both yet, so I hope we do get to see why they were both high profile players a few seasons back....
 

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andyrew said:
This two-pronged strike force is too lightweight to be effective at this level. Plus consider their strike rates in the league


Rankin - played 137, goals 27
Burton - played 230, goals 44

Total 367 games for 71 goals. A combined strike rate of less than one goal every 5 games. Given the above if Burton plays 46 games he will score 9 goals this season and Rankin also 9 goals. Hmmm lets hope the defence can be tightened up a bit! We desperately need a big target man and lets hope Harrold can fit the bill and stay fit.

Perhaps we should take one on loan?
********So what does yer think now?********

If you take the substitute appearances out of the equation you get a much diffirent picture. Also Burton is dropping two divisions and has scored goals in the premiership. You are being far too negative, they both look quality players to me.

Before we signed owusu his goalscoring record in the rymans was cr@p and most people who went to school with him could not believe he was getting into the slough team. He scored loads for us but has yet to do it elsewhere.
 

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quite right

taking out the sub apps (but not sub goals)

Rankin 92 starts, 32 goals
Burton 185 starts, 57 goals

and Burton was never an out and out striker at the Start of his career.
 

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I can't say Harrold has the quality to start every game, sure he's fast and he can belt the ball but on the field he chases the ball like a headless chicken, hardly ever challenging. He just needs more experience I think...

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I would agree that they are both quality players but it is all about blend and finding the optimum partnership.

I have stated from the beginning that Burton and Rankin will not work as an effective partnership.

I want to be proven wrong but I am sure that I am correct.
 

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North London Bee said:
I have stated from the beginning that Burton and Rankin will not work as an effective partnership.

this is the only issue in my opinion - they still look a bit like 2 individuals, although i'm a bit more optimistic that they can gel. burton looks like he could poke a few thru balls thru for isaiah to run on to.... we'll see

think the pessimism is very unwarranted :nono: and backed up with irrelevant stats taken from when they played at a higher level :wave:
 

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ure having a laugh. burton is different class and rankin maybe dont have all the natural quality as him but works so hard and is always in there.we got no probhlems up top.
 

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Should we still be patient or look to bring a loan player in
 

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Rankin works hard and only Deon wants to look good. IMHO. Neither is full of goals, I am disappointed but not surprised. I think from earlier threads and replies there are a lot of jaws hitting the floor over the lack of goals from the front two, but still better than last year. There again me and my Nan would be a more potent threat than last year.
 
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I had my face bitten off when I was brave or foolish enough to mention to MA about 3 months ago that fine players that they are individually that Burton and Rankin would not gel as a partnership.

I think that the verdict is still out.

They do not score enough and will only thrive iff the service is good enough that being said Burton's close control and commitment are beyond criticism and rankin is a torment to defences when given the chance to run at them.

BUT 8 goals between them is not enough and suggests that we will be lucky if they get 12 goals each by the end of the season.

MA has made his choice and we must remain behind him and them cos there are few alternatives in the squad - ie Harrold as a raw but promising target man and Rhodes as a surrogate Nathan Tyson and there is not the budget available to spunk on a loan replacement.
 

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The jury is still out for me,and what worries me more is that if they don't work out we are stuck with two players that have no value to to the club from a transfer point of view.
 

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we have 2 goals in 5 games and they were in the same game not promotion form is it
 

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WarrenBee said:
The jury is still out for me,and what worries me more is that if they don't work out we are stuck with two players that have no value to to the club from a transfer point of view.

Sadly, in the current climate virtually no-one has a value in the transfer market. We might get a small fee for Jay Tabb if he's back in the team, but I can't see anyone else bringing money in - that's not meant as a criticism of our team, just a realistic appraisal... no-one would take Steve Hunt (one of our best players in the previous 2 seasons) on a free! :(
 

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While we've failed to score in four of the last five games it's far to simplistic to blame Burton and Rankin. At Tranmere there was just insufficient support from both the wings and the midfield, though I did think that at times Rankin needed to get closer to Burton for flick-ons etc.
 
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