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Lionel Bart-At

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Sky bet has us as favourites... understandably.. Some seriously questionable odds in there when you look down the list. Stoke at 7th favourites?? Barnsley at 12th favourites after last season?! Makes you wonder who prices these....


https://fanbanter.co.uk/sky-bet-reveal-championship-2020-21-winner-odds/
I don't see why they should have us as favourites. They must surely expect us to be losing our prize assets, then make another slow start as a new side gels, not to mention the arrival of three moneybags from the Premier League.
 

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I’m all over Stoke like a cheap suit . Shame they are as high as 7th for me but feels about right
 

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The odds will be different come the start of the season once squads are assembled. Wouldnt touch us with a barge pole at the current odds - usual do a top 6 bet but no value
 

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I don't see why they should have us as favourites. They must surely expect us to be losing our prize assets, then make another slow start as a new side gels, not to mention the arrival of three moneybags from the Premier League.
Exactly what I thought. But I suppose these companies exist to make money not make accurate predictions.
 

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I don't see why they should have us as favourites. They must surely expect us to be losing our prize assets, then make another slow start as a new side gels, not to mention the arrival of three moneybags from the Premier League.
They probably base their prognostications on how defeated play-off contenders have fared in previous years. They will expect us to find adequate replacements for the few players who will be leaving during the transfer window, and expect the bedding-in period for newcomers to go smoothly. Stoke and Barnsley both beat us in recent memory in games we confidently expected to win. They finished the season strongly and deserve a higher current rating than their final league position appears to justify. Bookies aren't in the business of losing money.
 

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At this stage, it's most likely that we're favourites due to the alphabet... I don't think there's too much statistical analysis.
 

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I fancy Middlesbrough to do better than 11th this year. Dislike him or hate him, Colin knows what he is doing and it's very rare for him not to be at the races. Play offs at least I reckon.
 

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I fancy Middlesbrough to do better than 11th this year. Dislike him or hate him, Colin knows what he is doing and it's very rare for him not to be at the races. Play offs at least I reckon.
I dont see any reason why we cant go one better this time. We were written off last season when Maupay left but came back stronger which I am confident will be the case once more should we lose any of the current squad
As for the others I think the main threats will come from Forest Cardiff and Middlesbrough cant stand Warnock but he knows this league too well and will have a team that grinds out points
 

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Yeah the odds are always very undeveloped at this stage, it's usually the playoff finalist, the 3 relegated teams, and then last seasons order at the top. That said I don't think it will be a particularly strong division next year, I think the top 6 is there for the taking for any club in a decent position.

Watford could go either way. The quality of the players wasn't the issue, it was more the character and the motivation that caused them to fail. How motivated those same players will be for Championship football is a major question mark for me. I could see them winning the league, but I could also see them do a Stoke and finishing 15th.

Bournemouth...another 'could go either way' team. The manager being the previous Assistant Coach will brin continuity, while they have already had £60m in player sales on top of about £40m parachute payments. Finances won't be an issue there.... Norwich I think were very well run, and acknowledged early that they wouldn't stay in the Prem long, but reinvest that money and build up the stature of the club. Aiming to do what Burnley did essentially. They could do well...

As for anyone else...Forest have signed well and have recruited a lot of coaches to aid Lamouchi. Derby I was going to say I expect them to be up there, but with what's going on off the pitch, they join the pile of 'who knows'. They have some good young players there though and shouldn't have the same bad first 4 months that they had last season. Everyone else should really just be making up the numbers, no one else stands out for me apart from possibly Stoke, but even that I think is a step too far (a 10th place finish maybe for me, though wouldn't argue if anyone thought they'd finish higher).

As for us...well, we'll have most of the same team as last year, minus probably the two most famous members. I would expect a top 6 finish, certainly top 8, although I do think we'll start a bit slowly... Having less of a recovery gap compared to everyone else and some 'put 10 men in our own box' opening fixtures won't suit us, but I expect we'll pick up momentum come October/November and move up the table that way. Top 6, possibly top 2 but I need to know who else we bring in first.
 
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I've heard many pundits claim this years championship isn't as strong which provides middle ranked teams the chance to have a push. Sadly whilst I'd acknowledge after losing Leeds in particular and none of the big English clubs coming down it doesn't have the same feel of a big league. I noticed this when looking at the fixture list.

However quality wise I think we'll find it is stronger than last year and we might not get as close again adapting to our new stadium and adjusting to inevitable speculation/sales in the first few months.

Norwich will get 100 points - they planned for this the moment they got promoted; like Burnley did a few years back; they have a plan to get a couple of quick promotions. That team and coach are ready and strong.

Michael O'Neill at Stoke in the best manager in the league. He took a league of Ireland club to the European group stages, took NI to the Euros and but for a shocking referee decision in a play off would have had a poor NI team at the Russian WC.

B'mouth will sell but they're not a huge club in terms of fan pressure coming down and have a wealthly Russian owner to keep them secure. I think they'll get close to 100 points and play their way comfortably through the league - Watford are an enigma but have the players to do another Wolves in the C'ship.

I think B'mouth, Norwich, Watford and Stoke will be the top teams all with very high point totals; then Forest will learn what went wrong in terms of fitness and probably bring their intensity to the end of the season this time.

Barnsley didn't get the credit but what a manager they have; he won't be there long and if he finds goalscorer will be the surprise package and be in and around the play offs..

We'll be strong but I think top 2 will need well into the 90's this season; losing the GP advantage and the seasonly transition period makes getting 90 + tough. We got lucky this year mid 80's would have got top 2 and should have taken the chance; it'll be a higher total this year.

My prediction is we'll get strong from November get around 80 points and finish 6th.
 

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It's a pretty lazy bit of prediction to say that the team that came closest to promotion last season is favourite to go up next.
 

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It's a pretty lazy bit of prediction to say that the team that came closest to promotion last season is favourite to go up next.
Agree, it means nothing, certainly at this stage. We were favourites to beat Fulham in the PO final and look what happened there. Its just an opinion, you ask for 10 different responses on this and you are likely to get 5 or 6 other favourites. Means absolutely nothing.
 

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I've heard many pundits claim this years championship isn't as strong which provides middle ranked teams the chance to have a push. Sadly whilst I'd acknowledge after losing Leeds in particular and none of the big English clubs coming down it doesn't have the same feel of a big league. I noticed this when looking at the fixture list.

However quality wise I think we'll find it is stronger than last year and we might not get as close again adapting to our new stadium and adjusting to inevitable speculation/sales in the first few months.

Norwich will get 100 points - they planned for this the moment they got promoted; like Burnley did a few years back; they have a plan to get a couple of quick promotions. That team and coach are ready and strong.

Michael O'Neill at Stoke in the best manager in the league. He took a league of Ireland club to the European group stages, took NI to the Euros and but for a shocking referee decision in a play off would have had a poor NI team at the Russian WC.

B'mouth will sell but they're not a huge club in terms of fan pressure coming down and have a wealthly Russian owner to keep them secure. I think they'll get close to 100 points and play their way comfortably through the league - Watford are an enigma but have the players to do another Wolves in the C'ship.

I think B'mouth, Norwich, Watford and Stoke will be the top teams all with very high point totals; then Forest will learn what went wrong in terms of fitness and probably bring their intensity to the end of the season this time.

Barnsley didn't get the credit but what a manager they have; he won't be there long and if he finds goalscorer will be the surprise package and be in and around the play offs..

We'll be strong but I think top 2 will need well into the 90's this season; losing the GP advantage and the seasonly transition period makes getting 90 + tough. We got lucky this year mid 80's would have got top 2 and should have taken the chance; it'll be a higher total this year.

My prediction is we'll get strong from November get around 80 points and finish 6th.
People say this every year and personally i think its nonsense. Every year with parachute payments in play for more and more teams and our squad gets chipped away at it becomes more difficult for us. Thats why last season feels like a missed oppurtunity but we gave it all and but for some fine margins it would have happened
 

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I fancy Middlesbrough to do better than 11th this year. Dislike him or hate him, Colin knows what he is doing and it's very rare for him not to be at the races. Play offs at least I reckon.
I dont see any reason why we cant go one better this time. We were written off last season when Maupay left but came back stronger which I am confident will be the case once more should we lose any of the current squad
As for the others I think the main threats will come from Forest Cardiff and Middlesbrough cant stand Warnock but he knows this league too well and will have a team that grinds out points
Brentford. 1st, 6th, 13th, 24th, who knows? 48 years have taught me to expect, hope and predict nothing. And 2020 rubbed a bit of salt in to it. Middlesbrough on the other hand will be at least top 6, possibly top 2. Maybe even champions. Wouldn't surprise me. :yes:
 

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Odds are a reflection of the bets placed. Higher number of bets, lower odds.
Not when they have only just opened the market though surely. The market has to open with certain odds before money has gone down?

Anyway you don’t mean higher number of bets you mean higher value of bets
 

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Not when they have only just opened the market though surely. The market has to open with certain odds before money has gone down?

Anyway you don’t mean higher number of bets you mean higher value of bets
You're probably right on your first point and definitely right on your second.
 

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Very decent price for Stoke. They should finish in the top six at least.
....yep....a few diehards on this forum will be hoping they do the double on us this season....loyal.... lol
 

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Brentford. 1st, 6th, 13th, 24th, who knows? 48 years have taught me to expect, hope and predict nothing. And 2020 rubbed a bit of salt in to it. Middlesbrough on the other hand will be at least top 6, possibly top 2. Maybe even champions. Wouldn't surprise me. :yes:
boro ?? they are poop unless they have signed loads of players that i havent spotted
 

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At this stage, it's most likely that we're favourites due to the alphabet... I don't think there's too much statistical analysis.
thats just silly , please don't be silly
 

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I've heard many pundits claim this years championship isn't as strong which provides middle ranked teams the chance to have a push. Sadly whilst I'd acknowledge after losing Leeds in particular and none of the big English clubs coming down it doesn't have the same feel of a big league. I noticed this when looking at the fixture list.

However quality wise I think we'll find it is stronger than last year and we might not get as close again adapting to our new stadium and adjusting to inevitable speculation/sales in the first few months.

Norwich will get 100 points - they planned for this the moment they got promoted; like Burnley did a few years back; they have a plan to get a couple of quick promotions. That team and coach are ready and strong.

Michael O'Neill at Stoke in the best manager in the league. He took a league of Ireland club to the European group stages, took NI to the Euros and but for a shocking referee decision in a play off would have had a poor NI team at the Russian WC.

B'mouth will sell but they're not a huge club in terms of fan pressure coming down and have a wealthly Russian owner to keep them secure. I think they'll get close to 100 points and play their way comfortably through the league - Watford are an enigma but have the players to do another Wolves in the C'ship.

I think B'mouth, Norwich, Watford and Stoke will be the top teams all with very high point totals; then Forest will learn what went wrong in terms of fitness and probably bring their intensity to the end of the season this time.

Barnsley didn't get the credit but what a manager they have; he won't be there long and if he finds goalscorer will be the surprise package and be in and around the play offs..

We'll be strong but I think top 2 will need well into the 90's this season; losing the GP advantage and the seasonly transition period makes getting 90 + tough. We got lucky this year mid 80's would have got top 2 and should have taken the chance; it'll be a higher total this year.

My prediction is we'll get strong from November get around 80 points and finish 6th.
What makes any of the relegated clubs so special? Watford do a Wolves? Wolves had some Champions League level quality players, the best team I’ve seen at this level. I don’t see why Watford are any better equipped than the the teams that came down last year.

To get 100 points or close to 100 you have to be one hell of a team. Bournemouth? We were already better than them last year despite being in a lower league and they have since lost their manager and will lose more players. In any case their squad is firmly Championship quality. And did you not see Norwich last year? They cannot defend.

As for Forest their problem was not fitness it was that they were never any good to begin with.

Get the replacements we want and I agree we should get in the top six. A bit of luck and who knows where we will end up but the league will probably be a bit weaker on the whole.
 
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