Championship Round 32 (Tue/Wed 23-24 Feb)

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Swansea are massively over performing v their position in the justice league.

Whilst basic match stats can be misleading this doesn’t suggest they are overwhelming teams:
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Swansea are massively over performing v their position in the justice league.

Whilst basic match stats can be misleading this doesn’t suggest they are overwhelming teams:
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Agree. Honestly think it is between us and Watford for the remaining top 2 place, despite Swanflake having a couple of games in hand.
 

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Much needed 3 points with top 4 all winning. Bmuff in danger of blowing playoffs let alone top 2. Barnsley coming like a train as are Cardiff so Reading are in danger as well.
 

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Just thinking that Saturday could be very interesting.. Watford going to a Bournemouth team who have just been squeezed out of a play off position.. Could hopefully be a reaction from muff there.. Then we have Swansea against Bristol City.. City won the other night and with Nigel Pearson 1st game in charge could produce another reaction from brizzle.. All we need to do is beat Stoke 😊👍
 

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Just thinking that Saturday could be very interesting.. Watford going to a Bournemouth team who have just been squeezed out of a play off position.. Could hopefully be a reaction from muff there.. Then we have Swansea against Bristol City.. City won the other night and with Nigel Pearson 1st game in charge could produce another reaction from brizzle.. All we need to do is beat Stoke 😊👍
Yep can see either or both dropping points there
 

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Just watched the Swansea game, I can’t believe their goal was a carbon copy of ours, all players smash into the keeper and ball bobbles in.

Sorry, no way can they carry on being gifted 1.0 victories like this.
 

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Just watched the Swansea game, I can’t believe their goal was a carbon copy of ours, all players smash into the keeper and ball bobbles in.

Sorry, no way can they carry on being gifted 1.0 victories like this.
I think they’ll have a bad run sooner or later but for tonight, I think the Coventry goalkeeper was crowded out by his own player who wasn’t strong enough.
 

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Much needed 3 points with top 4 all winning. Bmuff in danger of blowing playoffs let alone top 2. Barnsley coming like a train as are Cardiff so Reading are in danger as well.
Expected Bournemouth to definitely be up there but starting to look like they won’t challenge for an automatic spot so becomes two from four of Norwich Watford us and Swansea ... if we can Keep the pressure on one of Watford and Swansea could crack and Norwich are due a dodgy spell
 

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Expected Bournemouth to definitely be up there but starting to look like they won’t challenge for an automatic spot so becomes two from four of Norwich Watford us and Swansea ... if we can Keep the pressure on one of Watford and Swansea could crack and Norwich are due a dodgy spell
Norwich had their spell a few games ago when Buendia was out - they will win the title IMHO
 

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Just watched the Swansea game, I can’t believe their goal was a carbon copy of ours, all players smash into the keeper and ball bobbles in.

Sorry, no way can they carry on being gifted 1.0 victories like this.
I've been thinking the same all season, but games are running out for them to have a dodgy run now.
Really hoping they do what Forest did last season......
 

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Norwich had their spell a few games ago when Buendia was out - they will win the title IMHO
It’s hard to disagree as of now, but a lot can happen in a fortnight, can’t it! Look at Watford now that Deeney’s out of it. Our injuries have affected us in key areas but we’re getting over them, and even QPHa have had a couple of changes and they’re suddenly playing with confidence and winning because of it.( I know, I know, life’s unfair)!
 

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I think we write Swansea off at our peril. grinding out 1-0 wins, even when not deserved, is exactly what champions do. I'm not saying Swansea will be champions, in fact I'm certain they won't, but several think its just a matter of time before they drop off. I'm not so sure. I think the battle for second is very much a three way race at the moment. Really don't fancy either Barnsley or Cardiff in the playoffs, so we just have to get that second place.
 

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And how much of that money have we spent this season on improving the squad? Very little. All new additions were made thanks to clever scouting rather than big bucks spending. So the parachute payments, which would be paid over 3 seasons, really hasn’t made any difference to us at all this season. Retaining Aarons, Pukki, Krul, Cantwell and Buendia, on the other hand, certainly has done.

And prior to that, how did we get ourselves into the position of receiving such parachute payments? Not from Delia spending 10’s of millions of £‘s, that’s for sure. We are a self sufficient club, and have a very sound business model.

You may call last season failure for us, but we knew what we were doing. We spent nothing at all, in effect basically robbing the Premier League of the cash last season in order to put ourselves in a better position for a future promotion, and a better tilt at becoming a ‘mythical’ established PL side. That said, we also had a ridiculous amount of injuries (CB in particular) to contend with last season as well - the upshot is if Pukki doesn’t get injured half way through the season then we’d have won the necessary 3 or so games needed for survival, he was on fire at that point. But, as you’ve pointed out, our ‘failure’ was we banked a lot of money with pretty much zero expenditure - IF we were to be promoted again this season then we will be in an even better position.

Looks like Brentford are doing something pretty similar, and you will get your rewards for it despite a tough week or two. Too good a side and club not to. And I won’t be knocking it. It’s a nice 2 fingers up to those that just try and instantly buy their way to success.
To be honest you come across as smug and patronising. In addition your ‘getting relegated is part of a master plan’ idea is completely farcical.
 

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To be honest you come across as smug and patronising. In addition your ‘getting relegated is part of a master plan’ idea is completely farcical.
I think we would take a similar approach to be honest... its not about aiming to get relegated but to slowly build rather than do fulham did a few seasons back and spunk all the prem money and get relegated anyways. Spend shrewdly and if you stay up its a bonus
 

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Worth mentioning that Buendia has missed 3 games for Norwich and they didn't win any of those games, and scored 1 goal.

That dodgy spell a few weeks back where Norwich got beat by Barnsley, drew with Boro and Millwall before getting beat Swansea? Buendia played 20 minutes in the defeat by Barnsley, got sent off against Boro and then missed the two following games against Millwall and Swansea.

Spare me the piffle about squad depth, Norwich, like every championship side are an injury to a key player away from collapsing.

It's not ideal, it's also not the worst situation, I'd far rather we were forced into playing our 3rd choice keeper for a couple of games at the start of a transfer window(so you could've brought in a more experienced loan for the month if you wanted) than find ourselves outside of the transfer window, missing our five best players with the spine of the team out.


But please, tell me more about how difficult it was.
What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this season!

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!
 

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I've been thinking the same all season, but games are running out for them to have a dodgy run now.
Really hoping they do what Forest did last season......
Disagree, there are 16 games remaining for Swansea and they will be playing 3 games a week for some time now. As we also know a few injuries to key players can turn things upside down very quickly. Just 2 weeks ago we were top playing unstoppable football, but since then have had injuries and up until last night we're struggling for points. So all is not lost.
 

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I think we would take a similar approach to be honest... its not about aiming to get relegated but to slowly build rather than do fulham did a few seasons back and spunk all the prem money and get relegated anyways. Spend shrewdly and if you stay up its a bonus
Yes I do understand the principle very well, its been around a while. In fact I do not think its so much a cunning policy as common sense but like most common sense it is in fact not common. My reaction was to the indication by the Norwich fan that the fans were 'happy' with the relegation because it was part of a bigger plan. Imagine that on the GPG? We cannot get three defeats before the world is collapsing. I stand by the fact that I felt this guy had come on to pat us on the head and reassure us that we were doing OK. So easy for a club operating in a City where they are the only team so income is guaranteed.
 

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To be honest you come across as smug and patronising. In addition your ‘getting relegated is part of a master plan’ idea is completely farcical.
Well there’s some pretty smug and patronising people on here too, but lots of reasonable Bee’s also which is the important thing. Think you’ve misunderstood re relegation, I don’t mean the plan *was* to get relegated - just when we went up we got a bunch of loans in so that if we stayed up great, we could build from there, but if not, we’d gained in financial terms and not wasted a load of money that could be used to build the club further down the line whilst not finding ourselves in a hole like when we were relegated in 2016.
 

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I think we would take a similar approach to be honest... its not about aiming to get relegated but to slowly build rather than do fulham did a few seasons back and spunk all the prem money and get relegated anyways. Spend shrewdly and if you stay up its a bonus
Spot in Gbems, you’ve got it in one, explained far better than I could!
 

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It was me, yes your lot were very decent and I think some are being a bit too unfriendly here. Though I did find it hard to get through to most even when we were briefly top that our 21 game unbeaten run had come with the core of the team injured. Little did I know that would get even worse before getting better (in a few weeks, perhaps)!

While both clubs do good business in spotting undervalued players, the difference is that Norwich have the money and status from yoyoing to have less need to sell either to preserve the conditions of star players needed for getting promoted back or to persuade them that they will get PL football without moving.
Looks like you’re back up and running now, AB! - it’s easy I guess when you’re on the inside thinking doom and gloom for the club, but anyone with half a brain could see Brentford’s bad patch wouldn’t and won’t last. Too many good players at your club for that to go on for long. If I was a Swansea supporter however, I think I’d be a little concerned. Their best players are pretty much all loans, and they don’t look blessed with strength in depth should they suffer injuries/suspensions/both. How would they handle it? Not sure I’d want to test the waters on that one!
 

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Ignore some of the negative comments. You've as you said tried to run the club in the right manor, being self sufficient, something which we have built a model to be as well.
I suspect to the disappointment to the few on here we will do the same if we go up, I don't expect us to spend big money. Continue as we are picking the right players that suit our model.
If you go up which I suspect you will, your have a strong squad having kept your best players and your be a lot richer for it! Able to add again smartly. Anyone on here who sees that as failure.. is deluded.
Cheers Lingfield, I think you’re right and suspect Brentford would also adopt a very similar approach. And why not eh? It’s a very smart savvy approach as far as I can see. I honestly think if we’d not had the injuries we’d had then we’d have got those few extra points that would have seen us safe, but with hindsight it might just work out ok after all because we’d not blown all the money on those loans that didn’t work out anyway! Some called it lacking in ambition but we signed the players we wanted on a ‘try before you buy’ if you like. Thank god we didn’t as most of them were pretty damn average despite rumours of 25mil price tags for the likes of Ondrej Duda. Regarding Brentford and promotion, I’ve wanted to see your club compete in the Premier League for some time. I like the way you play football, and similar to us, I think as long as you didn’t suffer a bad run of injuries, the main core of your current crop would see you stay up imho. But I’m sure you’d bring in a few more players, and with your track record for unearthing talent I’m sure, injuries aside, you’d surprise more than one or two in that league. We’ve seen from your cup runs that you can not only compete with those clubs but beat them too. I personally would like to see yourselves, Barnsley and of course ourselves all up this season. I include Barnsley because I thought they looked great against us in the league cup, they can play some decent football but their work rate is second to none when it comes to closing down teams. I think they are a side that will take some valuable points off some of our rivals in the games to come for sure.
 

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Looks like you’re back up and running now, AB! - it’s easy I guess when you’re on the inside thinking doom and gloom for the club, but anyone with half a brain could see Brentford’s bad patch wouldn’t and won’t last. Too many good players at your club for that to go on for long. If I was a Swansea supporter however, I think I’d be a little concerned. Their best players are pretty much all loans, and they don’t look blessed with strength in depth should they suffer injuries/suspensions/both. How would they handle it? Not sure I’d want to test the waters on that one!
Their messageboards are, for a Bees fan, a den of scum and villainy so I’ve not bothered. To be fair to them, they were also heavily reliant on loans last season. I’m not going to pop the champagne corks over beating a poor SW but might feel more optimistic if we can get a result against Stoke as we rarely get anything much from them. I think the game against Norwich might just be a couple of weeks too early for us. But at least we’ve managed to ride a bad spell so far while staying in contention. I’d really like not to be in the play offs again.
 

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What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this season!

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!
sounds like those Nightingale hospitals came good after all then!
 

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What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this season!

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!

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Oh dear, how sad that you're the only club in the country to have injuries.
 

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Their messageboards are, for a Bees fan, a den of scum and villainy so I’ve not bothered. To be fair to them, they were also heavily reliant on loans last season. I’m not going to pop the champagne corks over beating a poor SW but might feel more optimistic if we can get a result against Stoke as we rarely get anything much from them. I think the game against Norwich might just be a couple of weeks too early for us. But at least we’ve managed to ride a bad spell so far while staying in contention. I’d really like not to be in the play offs again.
Think it’s fair to say the play offs have not been your friend, but my feeling is that it won’t come to that. Sure, Sheff Wed may not be doing great but they are still capable, and your reaction was nothing less than very positive. I’m not sure on you folks take on it, but I have thought for a while that Watford would prove to be more of a threat to our respective top 2 positions than Swansea. I can’t deny they don’t get the results in the main, they certainly played a very savvy (if not agricultural) game against us last time out - when they came to Carrow Rd they were more attacking and we took advantage of that. But I think Watford have more about them than Swansea, and a quick glance of their message board shows a very, shall we say, ‘confident’ bunch. I’ve noticed on the PlanetSwans board they really don’t like your club at all, but I think it’s safe to say that comes down to nothing other than jealousy. I think in their heart of hearts know you’re a better side, hence the bitterness. They obviously don’t rate us though because I don’t see too much grief towards us other than the usual six fingered jibes ha ha - which is ironic, because I wouldn’t exactly call Swansea a hotbed of genetics but there’s you go. And yep, next week should be a cracker. We both know neither team will park the bus and that should make for a very entertaining encounter. We have Wycombe on Sunday, and although we beat them earlier in the season and appear to be coming into our best form of the season, they were certainly quite awkward to play against so 3 points for us is no formality for sure. In fact lose that, and you beat Stoke, then the title race is well and truly back on. Don’t forget we still have to play the likes of Watford and Bournemouth at Carrow Rd yet so these pundits and experts that think we have the title pretty much sewn up could be in for a rude awakening yet. The Championship is the best league in the world for competitiveness to the end, and this season will be no different, make no mistake.
 

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Just watched the Swansea game, I can’t believe their goal was a carbon copy of ours, all players smash into the keeper and ball bobbles in.

Sorry, no way can they carry on being gifted 1.0 victories like this.
Any team facing Swansea should know what to expect and plan accordingly. Their style of football is hardly a secret now. We were guilty of fhis at their place and could've been stronger in key moments although we dominated the game. Their game against Cardiff should be interesting as McCarthy is smart enough to deal with Cooper's tactics. It's sad, as in recent history Swansea have had coaches who played cultured football and yet now they are banging the rocks together.
 

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Oh dear, how sad that you're the only club in the country to have injuries.
Of course we’re not, and I’ve certainly never claimed either. But at the same time, I think it’s only fair to clarify whilst others mock with factually incorrect statements that when in one week of this season you’ve got down to your last 11 fit senior players, then that can hardly not be described as anything other than ‘difficult’ in fairness!
 

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Ignore the other scores, we need 32 more points to guarantee it.

10-2-2 last 14. We can do it.
 
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Of course we’re not, and I’ve certainly never claimed either. But at the same time, I think it’s only fair to clarify whilst others mock with factually incorrect statements that when in one week of this season you’ve got down to your last 11 fit senior players, then that can hardly not be described as anything other than ‘difficult’ in fairness!
I think you've had your quota of posts for this fixture. It's a Brentford Fans messageboard after all.
 

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What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this season!

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!
You chat some amount of nonsense. You do realise that with Google, people can check up on your obvious lies? Go on, find me the game where you had 11 fit pros.

In that difficult spell, you had one teenager in the bench against Millwall, who you didn't bring on.

It's funny you say that we won't face anything like that this season, neither have Norwich! The worst I can see it being was when you were skelped by Luton way earlier in the season, even then you started one teenager, and had two experienced pros on the bench. Have a look at our bench against QPR, it has even less first team experience. For teams who don't have the parachute payment, filling out your bench with youth prospects is a pretty regular occurance, the fact that you were apparently able to put the NHS under so much strain and still have Zimmerman and Vrancic in the bench speaks volumes.

The season started in September, you were without your left back for November and December, that's not half the season, Ricoh Henry will miss more game time. Hyperbole doesn't make you cool bro.
 
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What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this seaso

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!
Yaaaawn, who cares? Run out of people to bore on your own forum?
 

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What, you mean ‘difficult’ as in the spell of games where we were down to just TWELVE senior players available (ELEVEN at one point!). A bunch of kids making up the subs bench to ensure the games could go ahead, that Farke refused to bring on because they’d never played a minute of league football. So patronise all you like, but you haven’t, and won’t, face *anything* LIKE that problem this season!

A month or two into the season (‘outside the transfer window’), we had lost Xavi Quintilla, the cover for Sam Byram, who until injury in the 1-0 defeat to Liverpool had made the LB spot his own over Jamal Lewis, so with no third choice we had to play a young right footed CDM called Lungi Sorensen in their place, who actually did very well but we had to wait to January where we loaned in Dimitris Giannoulis from PAOK. So that’s half the season gone in that position.

Tim Krul injured October, came back end of January. His deputy, Michael McGovern is out for the season, but we’ve since brought in Orjan Nyland, who is surprise surprise recovering from surgery.

Onel Hernandez has only recently returned having missed nearly the entirety of the season.

Marco Stiepermann has had long spells out this season and we’ve not seen him for some time now.

Kieran Dowell, our number 10, played a few games at the start, but has been injured most of the season and like Hernandez has just recently returned.

We have often only had ONE striker available this season due to a merry go round of injuries to Adam Idah (our for several months), Jordan Hugill and Teemu Pukki.

Buendia missed the start of the season due to suspension and he’s been injury free really so no complaints there, but like Cantwell, was left out of the squad in games like Bournemouth away furthermore due to transfer speculation, so admittedly that was our own doing. Yes, he’s had two separate suspensions this seasons after 2 red cards - the last was not a 2 match ban as you claim but 3 matches and he did miss the game away at Swansea. The game we lost against Barnsley in the cup you mentioned, we played a largely second string team with many of those players playing their first meaningful minutes in months - Buendia only came on for the last 20 mins, but credit to Barnsley, they totally deserved their 1-0 win.

Todd Cantwell missed the start of the season for other reasons but has subsequently missed large chunks of this season due to a hip injury etc.

Lukas Rupp and Kenny McClean, first choice midfielders, again have missed large chunks of this season. Josh Martin injured too, started the season brightly.

Currently down to 2 CB’s though Gibson should be back very soon.

Max Aarons is our only recognised fit RB currently, his deputy Bali Mumba (and aforementioned Sam Byram) is injured so skating on thin ice there.

But we’re largely in good shape now. But yeah, I would say when it got down to having only ELEVEN fit pros available then that qualifies as ‘difficult’!
I think you have taken a wrong turning and got lost mate. This isn’t the Norwich board, no one gives a f*** and is going to read an essay about another team.

Assuming it is Norwich you are talking about?
 

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Any team facing Swansea should know what to expect and plan accordingly. Their style of football is hardly a secret now. We were guilty of fhis at their place and could've been stronger in key moments although we dominated the game. Their game against Cardiff should be interesting as McCarthy is smart enough to deal with Cooper's tactics. It's sad, as in recent history Swansea have had coaches who played cultured football and yet now they are banging the rocks together.
How do you plan accordingly?

We have been on the end of these tactics for 7 years now and have yet to find an antidote for it.

How do you plan for Swansea committing 17 bookable offences in the first half hour and receiving 1 solitary caution?
 

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Well there’s some pretty smug and patronising people on here too, but lots of reasonable Bee’s also which is the important thing. Think you’ve misunderstood re relegation, I don’t mean the plan *was* to get relegated - just when we went up we got a bunch of loans in so that if we stayed up great, we could build from there, but if not, we’d gained in financial terms and not wasted a load of money that could be used to build the club further down the line whilst not finding ourselves in a hole like when we were relegated in 2016.
So you agree you are smug and patronising?
 
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How do you plan accordingly?

We have been on the end of these tactics for 7 years now and have yet to find an antidote for it.

How do you plan for Swansea committing 17 bookable offences in the first half hour and receiving 1 solitary caution?
The standard of refereeing, this season, has been diabolical.

Can we clone the Australian ref, cos he was, by some distance, the best referee we've had?
 

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How do you plan accordingly?

We have been on the end of these tactics for 7 years now and have yet to find an antidote for it.

How do you plan for Swansea committing 17 bookable offences in the first half hour and receiving 1 solitary caution?
Every time one of our players is fouled they stay down, not in the Ayew way but sufficient to bring on medical people. This is particularly important when Raya is touched. The referee should be surrounded with angry players and the protests get more intense each time. The perpetrators of each foul should be given a lot of verbal demonstration although we should be careful not to raise hands or lean in with the head. One or more of our coaching staff should be in the face of the fourth official and take a yellow if necessary. Eventually, Pontus or whoever is captain tells the ref quite reasonably that unless he sorts it out we will take appropriate action to protect ourselves. If this doesn't work I have a Plan B in which we kick the crap out of the opposition in retaliation.
 

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