Championship Round 40 (Mon 5/4 - Tue 6/4)

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Before we all starting laughing at Swansea can I inject a little bit of realism?

Whilst they're seemingly in free fall, they're still in the PO spots and therefore in a position to beat us with a 98th minute penalty at Wembley (from Ayew dive no less). So can we all just keep calm and laugh extra hard when they drop out of the POs despite beating Watford on the last day of the season, thus handing us 2nd.

Thank you for your co operation at this time.

Have a day off mate, this has been a really good day for us against several weeks of misery, let us have a laugh before you inflict misery upon us.
 

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....at risk of upsetting some of the self appointed Rose tinted fanatics.....or those of a contrarian disposition on here.....its my belief that picking up 3 points here and the odd point there....is all I expect from now on in.....and that's fine by me..... realise that scenario would probably see us short of Watfords total....but if its 3rd best team in the league as the prize...... a run of solid hard grafting games right till the very end,including Wembley,will get us there.....i know it goes against the theme of this thread....but f*** what all the other teams,and their supporters,in this league are doing or saying.....it's about us.....but we,and by that I mean the players, have to want it.....we'll see eh.

Totally agree, its really all about us. Our we good enough to win 6 or 7 games?..
 

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....at risk of upsetting some of the self appointed Rose tinted fanatics.....or those of a contrarian disposition on here.....its my belief that picking up 3 points here and the odd point there....is all I expect from now on in.....and that's fine by me..... realise that scenario would probably see us short of Watfords total....but if its 3rd best team in the league as the prize...... a run of solid hard grafting games right till the very end,including Wembley,will get us there.....i know it goes against the theme of this thread....but f*** what all the other teams,and their supporters,in this league are doing or saying.....it's about us.....but we,and by that I mean the players, have to want it.....we'll see eh.

it is back in our hands, win 2 games in hand and beat Watford and improve our goal diff along the way and we are up.

You can throw the towel in if you want but keep it to yourself aye.
 

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All we need to do to 'turn things around' is stop giving away stupid goals. Despite being in the worst form ever known to a Brentford supporter, we're still creating and scoring so just need to close down the gifts...
"being in the worst form ever known to a Brentford supporter". You really have to be joking about that. I've known many, many times when our form has been far worse.
 

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"being in the worst form ever known to a Brentford supporter". You really have to be joking about that. I've known many, many times when our form has been far worse.

Wasn’t it 2006/07 when we didn’t know where the next draw was going to come from let alone a win ?
 

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From what I have seen on the Team v Brum thread just about every combination is offered bar Toney in goal and Raya at c/f so it seems
not many have a clear idea of our best line up.

Yep. The situation isn’t as simple as “what has Callaghan got against Jim McNcholl” “what has Holder got against Cadette and later Detzi” and “what has Webb got against Scott Canham?” I’m sure others have many more examples but there isn’t one for now unless I’m missing something
 

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it is back in our hands, win 2 games in hand and beat Watford and improve our goal diff along the way and we are up.

You can throw the towel in if you want but keep it to yourself aye.
....it's not about you or me....it's about the players.......all the bluster and bravado on here matters not a jot.
 

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That'll be the end of the scoring as I've just switched over from the Stockport v Bromley game.

BAF
 

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it is back in our hands, win 2 games in hand and beat Watford and improve our goal diff along the way and we are up.

You can throw the towel in if you want but keep it to yourself aye.
How so? It is likely that Watford will drop points somewhere else as well, but not guaranteed to be ‘in our hands’ yet, or am i missing something? They are 4 clear if you assume games in hand are won.
 

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Totally agree, its really all about us. Our we good enough to win 6 or 7 games?..
Absolutely. Can we now step up and win enough to get 2nd place? I sincerely hope so. However, based on our current form, I certainly am very anxious. We have the potential but we really need to get our fingers out and start playing properly. Let’s hope the boys can get it done now. COYB!!
 

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Boro deserved at least a point. Enough said about the Watford handball goal.
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Think it was top 10.
Taking them out of the equation, it makes 9 teams, 18 games and including the draw now with Middlesbrough, it's still 4 wins but in 14 games, with Reading, Norwich, Brentford and Swansea being the other 4 games.
I was taking the proverbial.. It would seem to be that way however if you read some of the comments on this board...
 

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Have a day off mate, this has been a really good day for us against several weeks of misery, let us have a laugh before you inflict misery upon us.

Today is only a good day if we take advantage of it, surely? Whilst the results are positive for us, we HAVE to now start winning games or it's not happening.

My post is a mixture of realism, with a huge dose of hope attached to it; assuming you read the whole post?
 

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The team has to step up now. There is nothing else to say but tomorrow IMO is last chance saloon for the top 2. Watford have given us a sniff and we need to take it with both hands. Brum will be well up for it.

We need to get our swagger back and push forward from the first whistle. Can TF get us firing? I have every faith that he can. IMO i would change up the formation. 3-5-2.

Todays resultss have been kind, but it only matters if we turn up.
 

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it is back in our hands, win 2 games in hand and beat Watford and improve our goal diff along the way and we are up.

You can throw the towel in if you want but keep it to yourself aye.
Maths not your strong point I see! Still a massive ask to win the 2 in hand and beat Watford who could well park the bus/counter attack. Our recent form is poor but we’ve been given a lifeline with today’s results but have to whatever it takes to win tomorrow. Still think we’d need to win nearly every game to have a chance, but whilst there’s that hope I’m clinging onto it until it’s impossible.
 

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Very simply, all this passing out from the back like a tortoise meandering slowly across the field to reach the half way line, needs to change.
Every team has now sussed us on this, and we now face a defensive wall of 11 facing us.
Plus, as with the clumsy goal on Saturday, an immediate clearance was required, not a 4 yard pass to someone already under pressure.

I timed moments in that Huddersfield game, us playing neat Raya, Jansson, Pinnock triangles, only for Raya eventually having to boot it hurriedly up field, or a couple of moves, where it took us the best part of a minute to get it over the halfway line to immediately lose it again!

We look far more dangerous with Canos, Toney and Mbeumo running fast at a back pedalling spread defence!

Direct and quick has to be the style, not meandering and ponderous!

Immediate attacking impact might help to clinch a few more games and secure the wins we need.
Domination in possession is all very well, but if most of it consists of sideways passing in your own half, there’s not much point is there.
At least after today, there are now only 5 clubs directly involved in play-off place contention, plus Watford as a possible 6th.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be taken for granted tomorrow night v Brum.

A win puts us back in putting pressure on Watford.
Anything less, puts pressure on us for ensuring our play-off place.

A very big match!
 
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All this talk about 2and place I think we sould concentrate on mathematically into the play offs first as the gap to 7th place is only 4 points
If we target second place, then we'll be in the play-offs if we miss that target. Concentrating on failure will deliver failure.
 

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From what I have seen on the Team v Brum thread just about every combination is offered bar Toney in goal and Raya at c/f so it seems
not many have a clear idea of our best line up.

norgaard, Jensen and Marcondes in the middle and we’ll be fine tomorrow..
 

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Dontcha just love this time of year? Various Championship Clubs boards imploding, and some very creative imagery too.
I’m particularly attracted to the idea of Nige (Pearson) polishing his turds to no avail. (City can’t now make the P/Offs).

Is the suicide rate higher in spring?
 

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Very simply, all this passing out from the back like a tortoise meandering slowly across the field to reach the half way line, needs to change.
Every team has now sussed us on this, and we now face a defensive wall of 11 facing us.
Plus, as with the clumsy goal on Saturday, an immediate clearance was required, not a 4 yard pass to someone already under pressure.

I timed moments in that Huddersfield game, us playing neat Raya, Jansson, Pinnock triangles, only for Raya eventually having to boot it hurriedly up field, or a couple of moves, where it took us the best part of a minute to get it over the halfway line to immediately lose it again!

We look far more dangerous with Canos, Toney and Mbeumo running fast at a back pedalling spread defence!

Direct and quick has to be the style, not meandering and ponderous!

Immediate attacking impact might help to clinch a few more games and secure the wins we need.
Domination in possession is all very well, but if most of it consists of sideways passing in your own half, there’s not much point is there.
At least after today, there are now only 5 clubs directly involved in play-off place contention, plus Watford as a possible 6th.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be taken for granted tomorrow night v Brum.

A win puts us back in putting pressure on Watford.
Anything less, puts pressure on us for ensuring our play-off place.

A very big match!
100%!!
Have been wondering all season where our fast and devastating counter-attack and the general speed of play of last season had gone. Have seen glimpses but not nearly enough. We desperately need a return to that quick tempo style of play. It was tremendous to watch but more importantly devastating to the opposition. SPEEEEEEEED!!!
 

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This board has been no less embarrassing than the Swansea board on occasions.
If Cardiff lose tonight then I think the play off spots will be down to 6 teams and if we win tomorrow the top 2 slots will be down to three teams.

Watford need just seven points from six games to be 100 percent certain of a play-off spot at the very least. Hard to see them failing in that endeavour. They're firm favourites to take the second automatic promotion spot. Which means it's five teams fighting for the four play-off places.
 

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it is back in our hands, win 2 games in hand and beat Watford and improve our goal diff along the way and we are up.

Not quite, Win the two games in hand and beat Watford still leaves us a point to catch up.

But that's the right spirit. Let's not forget that Watford still have to play Norwich, Reading and... er... Swansea. And us.
 

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Watford need just seven points from six games to be 100 percent certain of a play-off spot at the very least. Hard to see them failing in that endeavour. They're firm favourites to take the second automatic promotion spot. Which means it's five teams fighting for the four play-off places.

Really not sure why you jointly quoted both Les’s comment with mine:unsure: but yes I wasn’t for one moment saying that Watford would not gain at least a play off place.
 

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100%!!
Have been wondering all season where our fast and devastating counter-attack and the general speed of play of last season had gone. Have seen glimpses but not nearly enough. We desperately need a return to that quick tempo style of play. It was tremendous to watch but more importantly devastating to the opposition. SPEEEEEEEED!!!
Ollie
 

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All we need to do to 'turn things around' is stop giving away stupid goals. Despite being in the worst form ever known to a Brentford supporter, we're still creating and scoring so just need to close down the gifts...


.....Worst Form Evah ! :fishing:
 

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Haha! Nah, not buying that one. It’s not just down to losing one player.

No, but while Ivan trumps Ollie in many ways he's not as quick or mobile and nor have we replaced Said's trickery and movement. We were just about able to cover for this until the almost simultaneous loss of Rico and JDS who are almost our only players capable of carrying the ball forward at pace. MBS is doing a solid job at left back but could never be described as quick and Vitaly and Norgaard are just not working together. As a result we've become ponderous and predictable and lost most of our forward momentum.

Despite his mistake on Saturday I still think it might be worth seeing if Roeslev could inject some more urgency down the left hand side in place of MBS once Henrik is back and surely we now have to dispense with one of the two defensive midfielders.
 

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Very simply, all this passing out from the back like a tortoise meandering slowly across the field to reach the half way line, needs to change.
Every team has now sussed us on this, and we now face a defensive wall of 11 facing us.
Plus, as with the clumsy goal on Saturday, an immediate clearance was required, not a 4 yard pass to someone already under pressure.

I timed moments in that Huddersfield game, us playing neat Raya, Jansson, Pinnock triangles, only for Raya eventually having to boot it hurriedly up field, or a couple of moves, where it took us the best part of a minute to get it over the halfway line to immediately lose it again!

We look far more dangerous with Canos, Toney and Mbeumo running fast at a back pedalling spread defence!

Direct and quick has to be the style, not meandering and ponderous!

Immediate attacking impact might help to clinch a few more games and secure the wins we need.
Domination in possession is all very well, but if most of it consists of sideways passing in your own half, there’s not much point is there.
At least after today, there are now only 5 clubs directly involved in play-off place contention, plus Watford as a possible 6th.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, can be taken for granted tomorrow night v Brum.

A win puts us back in putting pressure on Watford.
Anything less, puts pressure on us for ensuring our play-off place.

A very big match!
Thank the good lord you said that.Over a 90 min period how much time have we wasted, and how ready teams have been to absorb our diminishing attacking chances. At one time it worked, that was when we would build up, and then we passed and moved, it was a mixture. Now we look as if we have forgotten how to exploit.
 

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No, but while Ivan trumps Ollie in many ways he's not as quick or mobile and nor have we replaced Said's trickery and movement. We were just about able to cover for this until the almost simultaneous loss of Rico and JDS who are almost our only players capable of carrying the ball forward at pace. MBS is doing a solid job at left back but could never be described as quick and Vitaly and Norgaard are just not working together. As a result we've become ponderous and predictable and lost most of our forward momentum.

Despite his mistake on Saturday I still think it might be worth seeing if Roeslev could inject some more urgency down the left hand side in place of MBS once Henrik is back and surely we now have to dispense with one of the two defensive midfielders.
YESSIR!! Quite right! That’s where my thinking took me too- we’re slower now because we’ve been “losing” players through a combination sales, injuries, loss of form, personnel not gelling. The potential of this team is still there though. Hopefully we can unlock it and make an impact still this season.
 

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I think we're slower getting the ball forward due to a combination of small factors. Specifically on Saturday, we had Roerslev, making his first real start since a long injury lay-off, who stumbled and we conceded an early goal, so it took most of the match for him to gain any confidence. Then Jansson, who's never been prone to a quick ball out and who's lost Dalsgaard as his default ball release. Pinnock did move the ball out more quickly at times but I think that early goal make all the back line more cautious. Sørensen, I thought was MoM, carried the ball out but he's no Rico; he's also hampered by having Canós out in front, who is at best unpredictable, and they've not got a partnership together. Then Nørgaard also seems a bit out of sorts, too, so he appears to have lost his speed of passing, although he was probably hampered by not having Jensen waiting for his pass. Janelt dropped to make a double pivot and we were a bit overwhelmed in the forward midfield space.

Jensen coming on showed what we were missing and there really is no substitute for a fit Dasilva in terms of quick ball progression. As I wrote on the team selection thread, I'd like to see Jensen and Marcondes supporting the front line rather than sitting deep and passing sideways. We need to push Brum back and create a big space between their midfield and two strikers, so they are forced to play long balls.
 
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