Championship Round 42 (Fri 16th - Sun 18th April) (1 Viewer)

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Quick Round 41 Recap
Watford did NOT slip-up
Norwich did NOT slip-up
Swansea did NOT slip-up
Brentford did NOT slip-up

That New Formation
Don't ask me how it all worked, that's above my level of competence. However cleverer people have said that Fosu covered Roselev's runs forward on the right and out of possession Mads would drop in to a right back position. Meanwhile, Mbeumo was able to perform the Rico role on the left with Pinnock covering him from the left CB position. 2 forwards meant that we had more options to progress the ball to the forward line and therefore defending teams couldn't just plonk 6 defenders on Ivan. Meanwhile Fosu was able to create carnage in the space behind the forwards. Whatever it was, it was certainly back to the fluid Brentford we know and love. Finally we seem to have worked out how to compensate for a lack of JDS, Rico and, of course, Henrik. It was also a neat way to break-up the over-anticipated midfield combination of Vitaly and Norgaard, but not in the way that anyone could have expected. I think that we would all be surprised if we didn't see the same for the remainder of the season.

This Weekend
We most probably have to take maximum points from our remaining games to get promoted automatically. That's the long and the short of it. So, by that token this is a MUST WIN game. If we carry on winning then Watford still have to play Norwich - and the Canaries will SURELY be all out to win in order to secure the title.

Millwall have (rather unfortunately) worked their way into the more expected names at the top of the Form Table:

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An odd goal in 5 defeat against QPR and a pretty close 3-0 loss against Lucky Swansea (the first top 7 side top win at The Den this season - sigh) were compensated with 4 wins, albeit all over rather lowly competition. However they are currently 9th in the league, are now nigh-on mathematically out of the play-off race, and mathematically safe from relegation. They can take these last 5 games easy whilst planning their post-season getaway to the Medway Towns for a bit of R&R - well let's hope so eh? As an encouragement the Lions' manager said today “If I simply set out to win the last five games, which is what you’d want to do, I’m not going to learn some of the lessons that are going to be crucial to next season. I have to try and find a balance. " - brilliant idea Gary. Take a bow.

Millwall sit in the bottom half of the Justice League, just one place below Lucky Swansea. Hence 538 make us heavy favourites to win this, and rightly so - especially if Rowlett decides to let his children have a game. Go on Gary, you know it makes sense. Millwall fans did not seem very impressed with Murray Wallace at right back against Swansea, but it seems the back-up to regular Shaun Hutchinson might start again given the first choice player remains injured - or perhaps we might see a kid there? In either case the Millwall right hand side might return some dividends.

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As we know, there will be no rolling-back the new formation, but will we see personnel changes to the starting XI? I rather hope not to be honest, even though Canos was our star player in the previous two outings. We seem to have found a shape for those that started at Preston, and we can bring on high-energy Canos, nonchalant Emi and the enigmatic Ghoddos against a hopefully tiring opposition.

Watford make the short-trip to Luton. Oh for a home crowd at this match eh? I wonder if they might fly to this northern fixture. Coach from The Grove to Luton Airport, quick couple of circuits, then land at Luton. Can't break a winning routine after all?! I hold out next to no hope for this one, a draw at best but more likely 4 OGs, 3 deflections, 2 penalties and a partridge in a pear tree for Watford. 538 agrees....

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Likewise Swansea have Wycombe at home. Will Wycombe be fighting for their lives - they are only 11 points from survival with 5 to play? No.

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Tie of the round is Norwich v Bournemouth 1st v 5th (league), 2nd v 6th (Justice League) and 3rd v 2nd (Form Table). What result do we want/need however? With a maximum 91 points for us and Norwich already sitting on 90 with us requiring Norwich to beat Watford - we have now lost interest in Norwich's other results. Therefore a non-Bournemouth win would be helpful - but again it doesn't really matter, the play-off places are all but decided. We finish our match before this fixture kicks-off, if it doesn't go well for us then you can revise yourselves into excitable Norwich supporters for 90 minutes or so.

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Reading v Cardiff - any result other than a win for Reading and they might as well book their holidays and cancel any future hotel reservations they have for the remainder of the season.


Coming midweek is Super Tuesday: Norwich v Watford...



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Morning, with my watford tinted glasses on, i would have mixed feelings about that Bournemout v Norwich match in its implications for the bees. If muff win, norwich will ‘need’ the win v watford alot more to stop watford catching them (assuming watford beat luton that is). Its exciting for sure though either way. I reckon its better for Brentford if muff win, as you have to assume you’ll be in the pos regardless of what muff do in all their games?
 

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A battle and draw, with maximum Cardiff carnage would suit us best, I think. Any result that keeps Norwich fully focused on needing to hammer Watford is ideal... and... come on you Chairboys!
 

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While the focus is on catching up with Watford, an important secondary consideration is: if we don't make that automatic promotion spot, who do we want to meet in the play-off semi-finals? The ones to avoid appear to be Bournemouth, currently on a winning streak. Prediction of the 3rd-to-6th placings is pretty well impossible, but I reckon Bournemouth are likely to finish 4th or 5th, which means we need to finish 3rd - assuming, to repeat, that we don't finish 2nd.
 

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While the focus is on catching up with Watford, an important secondary consideration is: if we don't make that automatic promotion spot, who do we want to meet in the play-off semi-finals? The ones to avoid appear to be Bournemouth, currently on a winning streak. Prediction of the 3rd-to-6th placings is pretty well impossible, but I reckon Bournemouth are likely to finish 4th or 5th, which means we need to finish 3rd - assuming, to repeat, that we don't finish 2nd.
I think I'd rather play Bournemouth over two legs than a one off match at Wembley.
 
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While the focus is on catching up with Watford, an important secondary consideration is: if we don't make that automatic promotion spot, who do we want to meet in the play-off semi-finals? The ones to avoid appear to be Bournemouth, currently on a winning streak. Prediction of the 3rd-to-6th placings is pretty well impossible, but I reckon Bournemouth are likely to finish 4th or 5th, which means we need to finish 3rd - assuming, to repeat, that we don't finish 2nd.
Finishing in the Top 2 is by far. far. far. far a more important consideration than avoiding one of the 3 teams that we might have to beat in any POs!
 
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Those pointing out that a Bournemouth win will keep Norwich keen for victory in their match against Watford - make a valid point that I had forgotten when writing the above. So the best result for us in that match probably needs to be re-evaluated after the outcome of our 12:30 KO tomorrow.
 

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Finishing in the Top 2 is by far. far. far. far a more important consideration than avoiding one of the 3 teams that we might have to beat in any POs!
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If we win tomorrow and Watford lose, we’re 6 points behind with a game in hand, still have to play them at home and will have a better goal difference.

They will genuinely start sh*tting themselves.
 

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So, Watford draw tonight, lose against ourselves and Norwich but beat Swansea and Millwall. Leaving them on 89 points?
We win all our remaining games, outwith the Bournemouth game which we draw, leaving us on 89 points?
And we go up on GD, easy does it.
 

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Much as i despise fish face and the sheep don’t we want them to win a few so that that they are still interested when they play Watford - assuming we can look after our own results, on the basis we probably need to win them all anyway for autos.
 

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I think Norwich will probably do as Leeds did at the end of last season and just stretch their legs to win all their remaining games regardless of having already secured their position and we don’t need to worry too much about them needing top spot to be in doubt to motivate them. So I’d much rather they did that than want anyone to beat them to keep them keen when that just means teams we are competing with for 2-6 pick up points.
 

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If we win tomorrow and Watford lose, we’re 6 points behind with a game in hand, still have to play them at home and will have a better goal difference.
If Luton beat Watford
If we beat Millwall
If we win the game in hand against Rotherham
If we match or better Watford in the other matches prior to the Watford game
If, specifically, Norwich beat Watford
If we beat Watford on May 1st
and
If we match or better Watford on the last Saturday of the season

Then we go up.
No problem, right?
 
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If Luton beat Watford
If we beat Millwall
If we win the game in hand against Rotherham
If we match or better Watford in the other matches prior to the Watford game
If we beat Watford on May 1st
and
If we match or better Watford on the last Saturday of the season

Then we go up.
No problem, right?
Watford go up
If they beat Luton
If they beat Norwich
If they beat Swansea
If they beat Brentford
If they beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Cardiff
If Brentford don't beat Bournemouth
If Brentford don't beat Rotherham
If Brentford don't beat Bristol City.

Then they go up
No problem, right?
 

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Watford go up
If they beat Luton
If they beat Norwich
If they beat Swansea
If they beat Brentford
If they beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Cardiff
If Brentford don't beat Bournemouth
If Brentford don't beat Rotherham
If Brentford don't beat Bristol City.

Then they go up
No problem, right?
Watford go up
if any two of your first five conditions are obtained,
plus
any two of your second five conditions are obtained.

Rather fewer ifs in the Watford column.
 

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Watford go up
If they beat Luton
If they beat Norwich
If they beat Swansea
If they beat Brentford
If they beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Millwall
If Brentford don't beat Cardiff
If Brentford don't beat Bournemouth
If Brentford don't beat Rotherham
If Brentford don't beat Bristol City.

Then they go up
No problem, right?
Watford finish ahead of Brentford if any 4 of those come true (i think).
 

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Quite pleased we're playing at the same time as Watford this weekend and not before/after.. hopefully means less pressure in some ways. Luton will be itching to upset their promotion charge so a draw/defeat isn't entirely impossible. Although our biggest enemy is probably ourselves still, lets hope our top performance continues on.
 

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Really believe this could a very interesting weekend.

I actually want Reading to win tonight against Cardiff. Cardiff will have nothing to play for on Tuesday night. We need Reading still to be keen when they play Swansea next weekend.

Believe it or not I think if we are looking for Watford to drop points then they are more likely against Luton than against Norwich. One would expect Norwich to have wrapped up the promotion by the time they play Watford on Tuesday if they win tomorrow night so we shouldn't get all our hopes on them beating Watford. So hope Norwich lose tomorrow against the Muff.

Let's win our game and see what others do afterwards. I firmly believe if we win tomorrow we will stay in 4th but closer to Watford.
 
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I dont believe in all this teams not having anything to play for stuff. Theres no way to know how teams or individuals will react to dead rubber games, it could go either way
 

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I dont believe in all this teams not having anything to play for stuff. Theres no way to know how teams or individuals will react to dead rubber games, it could go either way
I also don't think it's a tap you turn on and off. You can't just chill then go full on into play off games
 

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Not looking good at all for WRDC. :ROFLMAO: Losing 2-1 at Blackburn now. As long as we beet Rotherham, I would be very happy to see them pick up the extra 4 points from their 3 games in hand to put WRDC in the bottom 3. (I would have preferred Brum there, but I think they've done enough now and are harder to beat).
 

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Cardiff 1 up, 88th min peno. This all but guarantees our top 6 spot. We only need 5 points from 6 games to secure it!
 
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2 more wins will secure plays off at least. This is such a 'remarkable' achievement :rolleyes: as I remember after 4 (FOUR) games and having being beaten 4-2 at home to Preston some GPGers were concerned and that we were already out of the race for promotion as we were 8 points behind Reading and Bristol City :unsure:
 

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1-1 Reading - me and my big mouth!
Why - think of the feeling in the Cardiff dressing room conceding an injury time goal before they play us. It's win win for us.
 

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Two more wins for us to be in play offs, but 75 might be enough anyway. Watford need three wins to almost guarantee automatic. Plus a draw, to be sure on the last day.
 

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Draw pretty much seals playoffs you'd have to say. Reading still got to play Swans and Norwich so they now have to win 3 out of 4 at least
 

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Draw pretty much seals playoffs you'd have to say. Reading still got to play Swans and Norwich so they now have to win 3 out of 4 at least
good result as that’s def it for Cardiff and pretty much all over for reading
 

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I think Norwich will probably do as Leeds did at the end of last season and just stretch their legs to win all their remaining games regardless of having already secured their position and we don’t need to worry too much about them needing top spot to be in doubt to motivate them. So I’d much rather they did that than want anyone to beat them to keep them keen when that just means teams we are competing with for 2-6 pick up points.
That is exactly what we should do just stretch our legs, and win all our matches, if we are good enough to go up then we should not care who we play now, or if it comes to it the Play Offs. No reason why we should not, it is about time some on this thread remembered that we are a very good team, and good enough to grace the hallowed halls of the Premier League.
 
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That is exactly what we should do just stretch our legs, and win all our matches, if we are good enough to go up then we should not care who we play now, or if it comes to it the Play Offs. No reason why we should not, it is about time some on this thread remembered that we are a very good team, and good enough to grace the hallowed halls of the Premier League.
Hang about! " the hallowed halls of the..." WHAT? If you want an appropriate metaphor for the PL, there is no need for that. How about That ATM? Or summat?
 

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Do we want Swansea to keep winning?

I think we do.

If they go into the final day against Watford still with a chance I’d automatic promotion that could be a good thing.
 

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Do we want Swansea to keep winning?

I think we do.

If they go into the final day against Watford still with a chance I’d automatic promotion that could be a good thing.
Yes- if they’ve no chance of second on the last day and we’re still in it but relying on Watford not winning it’d be just too much to bear!
 

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Far too much being read into relating performance of teams at the end of the season to whether they have something to play for, imo.

The 'on the beach' mentality can result in playing a more natural, relaxed game without the nerves. Those with something to play for can easily slip up, as they are far more nervous about making mistakes. Although it might give us some comfort to think its in our interests for the likes of Swansea (and others) to still have something to play for, I'm not convinced it makes much difference.

Just look at WBA's draw against QPR and our own result against Stoke at the end of last season. In theory, should have been two victories for the form sides, but weren't.
 
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Let's keep other Championship updates etc. here please. Not in our matchday thread,
 

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Ayew out for the season would be ace 👍🏻
 

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