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Does that make a bad citizen if I go on Wednesday ?

You are trying to put words into my mouth. All I was saying initially was that there are bigger and more important freedoms than the freedom to go to a football match. If games are now paused until we know whether we will be able to avoid a massive wave of hospitalisations nobody will have to take very difficult decisions about their personal risk and the extent of their wider responsibilities to society.
 

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I've tested positive for Covid so can't go now, especially as I've completed that online form the club sent out a couple of days back.

Any one think there's anyway to get refund on tickets? Already out of pocket due to Leeds (train cancelled) and Southampton (train non-refundable) and this is all starting to get a bit costly.
Yes, the club will refund you
 

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I've tested positive for Covid so can't go now, especially as I've completed that online form the club sent out a couple of days back.

Any one think there's anyway to get refund on tickets? Already out of pocket due to Leeds (train cancelled) and Southampton (train non-refundable) and this is all starting to get a bit costly.
I believe the club said that they would refund anyone that can't attend games due to testing positive. @hobbsy ?
 

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Why? You’re an adult. It’s a risk, you either decide to take it or not.

What has that got to do with anything?! As you say you take a risk going to the shop. My love for watching the bees is that great that I will probably go. But also as a father with two at risk nippers and seeing family for the first Xmas in two years it’s a decision I would happily have taken away from me.
 

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I believe the club said that they would refund anyone that can't attend games due to testing positive. @hobbsy ?
Yes it's in the customer charter as a footnote

*During the COVID-19 pandemic, fans who cannot attend games due to illness or required isolation have the following options:

  • Season Ticket Holders may transfer their ticket to a guest (as long as this is below or at the face value) or can register their seat on the Club’s Ticket Exchange
  • Match Ticket Holders can contact the Box Office to request the transfer of their ticket to a guest
  • Season Ticket Holders and Match Ticket Holders unable to utilise the methods above can contact the Box Office for assistance and a pro-rata refund given (if the request is received at least 24 hours before kick-off)
 

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Season Ticket Holders and Match Ticket Holders unable to utilise the methods above can contact the Box Office for assistance and a pro-rata refund given (if the request is received at least 24 hours before kick-off)
Interesting, you can't get COVID in the 24 hours before kick-off...
 

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Yes it's in the customer charter as a footnote

*During the COVID-19 pandemic, fans who cannot attend games due to illness or required isolation have the following options:

  • Season Ticket Holders may transfer their ticket to a guest (as long as this is below or at the face value) or can register their seat on the Club’s Ticket Exchange
  • Match Ticket Holders can contact the Box Office to request the transfer of their ticket to a guest
  • Season Ticket Holders and Match Ticket Holders unable to utilise the methods above can contact the Box Office for assistance and a pro-rata refund given (if the request is received at least 24 hours before kick-off)

I would think quite a few like me would test positive within 24 hours as they would do a test not wanting to put others at risk. Not an incentive to test.
 

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Interesting, you can't get COVID in the 24 hours before kick-off...
Yes, I think they'd still do it considering what we know about Omicron now.
 

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Yes it's in the customer charter as a footnote

*During the COVID-19 pandemic, fans who cannot attend games due to illness or required isolation have the following options:

  • Season Ticket Holders may transfer their ticket to a guest (as long as this is below or at the face value) or can register their seat on the Club’s Ticket Exchange
  • Match Ticket Holders can contact the Box Office to request the transfer of their ticket to a guest
  • Season Ticket Holders and Match Ticket Holders unable to utilise the methods above can contact the Box Office for assistance and a pro-rata refund given (if the request is received at least 24 hours before kick-off)
Hobbsy any idea if there is a policy for away tickets? Or does that depend on a kind opponent's ticket policy?
I missed Leeds due to isolating and couldn't sell the ticket. Have the unused ticket and proof of PCR test. I couldn't find any sort of policy on this on either club's website however. I wonder if the above also covers away tickets.
 

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I haven't bought my train ticket for the Chelsea game and not bothered to print the ticket yet. Looking ahead I have bought Port Vale and Liverpool but again not even thinking about travel yet.
 

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4 times as many people will attend Spurs today so I see no reason atm why we shouldn’t be on aslong as we both have sufficient players and if fans are worried then don’t come but if you’ve been triple vaccinated then what is there to worry about otherwise you’ll never go out of the house
You can still get the infection and transmit it to others even if you’re triple vaccinated.
There’s a risk of a certain number of people getting Covid/omicron from our game on Wednesday and there’s a risk of four times that number getting it from the spurs game today.
The missus and I are reluctantly blowing it out on Wednesday because the M-in-L is vulnerable and we are her only contact so don’t want to jeopardise her/our Christmas.
A shame, but it’s just not worth the risk.
It‘s all about priorities and consideration for others Hanworth.

What I find ludicrous is that yesterday the mayor London declared a major incident in the capitol and today an event with 60,000 attendees takes place.
 

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You can still get the infection and transmit it to others even if you’re triple vaccinated.
There’s a risk of a certain number of people getting Covid/omicron from our game on Wednesday and there’s a risk of four times that number getting it from the spurs game today.
The missus and I are reluctantly blowing it out on Wednesday because the M-in-L is vulnerable and we are her only contact so don’t want to jeopardise her/our Christmas.
A shame, but it’s just not worth the risk.
It‘s all about priorities and consideration for others Hanworth.

What I find ludicrous is that yesterday the mayor London declared a major incident in the capitol and today an event with 60,000 attendees takes place.
Great example of a personal risk assessment and fully respect your decision sir.
Others will have different circumstances / assessments and will choose to go and should be similarly respected.
 
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You can still get the infection and transmit it to others even if you’re triple vaccinated.
There’s a risk of a certain number of people getting Covid/omicron from our game on Wednesday and there’s a risk of four times that number getting it from the spurs game today.
The missus and I are reluctantly blowing it out on Wednesday because the M-in-L is vulnerable and we are her only contact so don’t want to jeopardise her/our Christmas.
A shame, but it’s just not worth the risk.
It‘s all about priorities and consideration for others Hanworth.

What I find ludicrous is that yesterday the mayor London declared a major incident in the capitol and today an event with 60,000 attendees takes place.
Yeah this is the point for many people I know.

Many of my friends are visiting family for Christmas, as am I.

They are all vaccinated but they are cancelling social events this weekend and this week, not because they think Covid might send them to hospital or worse, but because of the risk of picking something up and either
(a) Infecting a more vulnerable relative at Christmas; or
(b) Being made to isolate and so end up missing seeing family for the second Christmas in a row.

If you live with all the people you expect to see over Christmas already, then you may see the risk a bit differently.

My own judgement is different again because both my parents have season tickets. If they decide to go, why shouldn't I ;)
 

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I've tested positive for Covid so can't go now, especially as I've completed that online form the club sent out a couple of days back.

Any one think there's anyway to get refund on tickets? Already out of pocket due to Leeds (train cancelled) and Southampton (train non-refundable) and this is all starting to get a bit costly.
If you have rid of it by Wednesday hopefully you have super immunity for 90 days so can’t pick it up or spread it. That’s what I read & am hoping. Correct me if I’m wrong/spreading misinformation please someone.
 

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If you have rid of it by Wednesday hopefully you have super immunity for 90 days so can’t pick it up or spread it. That’s what I read & am hoping. Correct me if I’m wrong/spreading misinformation please someone.
Not sure about that although I was told not to test again for 3 months after my isolation period as I might give a false positive result.
 

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Not sure about that although I was told not to test again for 3 months after my isolation period as I might give a false positive result.
This is only for PCRs not LFTs I believe. PCRs pick up the RNA of the virus which you can still carry even if it is dead whereas LFTs pick up the viral load in your nose and throat so you can continue with those.

I tested this when I had it. The positive line starts off feint and then gets darker but then begins to fade away to nothing when you are clear.
 

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You can still get the infection and transmit it to others even if you’re triple vaccinated.
There’s a risk of a certain number of people getting Covid/omicron from our game on Wednesday and there’s a risk of four times that number getting it from the spurs game today... ... What I find ludicrous is that yesterday the mayor London declared a major incident in the capitol and today an event with 60,000 attendees takes place.
As it happens the official crowd at Spurs today was 45,421 in a 62k stadium, for what is normally a sell-out game. And according to this, they had 50k STH's last season - assume the same this.

Can only have been Covid putting people off.
 

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hope they call it off. it's just not worth the risk right before Christmas. in reality, bringing thousands of people together in the concourses while around 1 in 35 in London are infectious - the game will without doubt lead to transmission, and people needing to isolate if not over Christmas then after Christmas at some point. just not worth it.
 

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To add a moment's light relief. Some years ago, I used to drink on occasion with a Tranmere supporter who was also an RMT shop steward on the Piccadilly Line, based at Acton. Despite many of the drivers being HaHas, during that long spell of on-off RMT strike action (over night tubes, I think), he promised me I would never miss a match at Griffin Park because of industrial action. Good as his word, strikes the day before, strikes the day after, never coinciding with Bees home match (or at least none I was attending and I rarely missed).

I suppose because we've moved grounds that promise isn't value anymore :(
 

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Any other time I would go but I’ve got my mum staying and erring on the side of caution…. I suspect it will go ahead as both teams will be happy to put out a scratch team and avoid having “another” fixture in Feb.

Out of both sides i think TF really wants to win this,
 

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Yes it's in the customer charter as a footnote

*During the COVID-19 pandemic, fans who cannot attend games due to illness or required isolation have the following options:

  • Season Ticket Holders may transfer their ticket to a guest (as long as this is below or at the face value) or can register their seat on the Club’s Ticket Exchange
  • Match Ticket Holders can contact the Box Office to request the transfer of their ticket to a guest
  • Season Ticket Holders and Match Ticket Holders unable to utilise the methods above can contact the Box Office for assistance and a pro-rata refund given (if the request is received at least 24 hours before kick-off)
Thanks for this, mate has just called and they've put a credit on his ticket account so we're in the black again, thanks also to the ticket office for making it so straightforward.
 

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I can get not going if you want err on the side of safety in times like these but not to be "bothered" to go when we are at home to the champions of Europe in a cup quarter final that is not live on TV seems a bit strange to me.

I'm looking at it from a point of safety................ Next. 🥱
 

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Not sure if this has already been highlighted, but according to the EFL rules if Fernandez is still isolating then we can ask for the game to be postponed.

“In the wake of recent EFL fixture postponements due to Covid-19 cases at clubs, the EFL has also provided guidance on non-fulfilment of fixtures, confirming that clubs will be expected to play where it has 14 players including a goalkeeper available from the club’s registered squad list, Under-21 players not on the squad list but have played one league match or any other contracted player not on the squad list but otherwise would have been eligible to play.

The key point being that none of our U-21 keepers have played a match.

Now it may be we have players returning, while Chelsea appear likely to be missing more so we may not want to postpone, though I think the club and TF made clear their view at the weekend.
 

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Not sure if this has already been highlighted, but according to the EFL rules if Fernandez is still isolating then we can ask for the game to be postponed.

“In the wake of recent EFL fixture postponements due to Covid-19 cases at clubs, the EFL has also provided guidance on non-fulfilment of fixtures, confirming that clubs will be expected to play where it has 14 players including a goalkeeper available from the club’s registered squad list, Under-21 players not on the squad list but have played one league match or any other contracted player not on the squad list but otherwise would have been eligible to play.

The key point being that none of our U-21 keepers have played a match.

Now it may be we have players returning, while Chelsea appear likely to be missing more so we may not want to postpone, though I think the club and TF made clear their view at the weekend.

IMO we could do without any more fixture pile up. Especially if a covid break is going to be brought in.

Play Cox if AF cant play.
 

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Because you pass it on to others. Think. It's not about you.
I accept its a bit idealistic, but there will be plenty of responsible people out there who are happy to accept their own personal risk and also act sensibly to avoid/minimise passing it on by wearing mask, distancing, regular testing, fully vaccinated etc. ie. it’s not automatic that you pass it on.
Would like it if we as a society can find a way for those lower risk and responsible people to continue going about their lives in a semi-normal way.
 

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Not sure if this has already been highlighted, but according to the EFL rules if Fernandez is still isolating then we can ask for the game to be postponed.

“In the wake of recent EFL fixture postponements due to Covid-19 cases at clubs, the EFL has also provided guidance on non-fulfilment of fixtures, confirming that clubs will be expected to play where it has 14 players including a goalkeeper available from the club’s registered squad list, Under-21 players not on the squad list but have played one league match or any other contracted player not on the squad list but otherwise would have been eligible to play.

The key point being that none of our U-21 keepers have played a match.

Now it may be we have players returning, while Chelsea appear likely to be missing more so we may not want to postpone, though I think the club and TF made clear their view at the weekend.
We’d be extremely stupid to request a postponement unless we’re still getting new positives. Chelsea are in poor form and are there for the taking.
 

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If people are worried about isolating then they don’t have to go, but why should that ruin it for the rest of us who are happy to risk isolation to watch us play?
unfortunately your decision impacts everyone you come into contact with not just you. why should the person who gives you an uber ride, who works in your local supermarket etc etc etc have to be at greater risk because you decided to go and mingle with a massive crowd - some will have had a few and for some any form of social distancing or mask wearing will be out the window - when transmission is at its absolute peak during the entire pandemic thus far.
 

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We’d be extremely stupid to request a postponement unless we’re still getting new positives. Chelsea are in poor form and are there for the taking.
Its not just new positives, but how many are still in a isolation period and have not done much fitness work.
 

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If the game is going to be postponed they should make a decision today at the latest.
I bet they will leave it until Wednesday morning. Guess they have to see if any more positive results come back.
 

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If the game is going to be postponed they should make a decision today at the latest.
I think if there is any intention to play the game then it’ll be a waiting game as additional positive test results can occur any time between today and kickoff.

However if there is no intention to play the game following today’s meeting between PL clubs, it could be postponed as early as today.
 

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I think if there is any intention to play the game then it’ll be a waiting game as additional positive test results can occur any time between today and kickoff.

However if there is no intention to play the game following today’s meeting between PL clubs, it could be postponed as early as today.
The Chelsea match is not a subject of today's meeting. It's an EFL sanctioned competition.
 

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The Chelsea match is not a subject of today's meeting. It's an EFL sanctioned competition.
I’m aware, but presumably today’s meeting will provide clarity to both clubs involved in Wednesday’s fixture with regards to the COVID infections in each camp (and that will go towards informing the decision).

And also, what the PL decide to do following today’s meeting will surely have an impact on fixture scheduling and therefore how feasible postponement of the CC QF is.
 

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I’m aware, but presumably today’s meeting will provide clarity to both clubs involved in Wednesday’s fixture with regards to the COVID infections in each camp (and that will go towards informing the decision).

And also, what the PL decide to do following today’s meeting will surely have an impact on fixture scheduling and therefore how feasible postponement of the CC QF is.
Postponing a game week of PL football is a lot easier than the Carabao Cup. You have the rest of the season to reschedule that game. The semis for the Carabao Cup are early January. We either play it this week, forfeit, or the semis become one leg only.
 

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IMO we could do without any more fixture pile up. Especially if a covid break is going to be brought in.
With you on this.
Play Cox if AF cant play.
If (stress) the rest of the team was strong, then you might chance it. But if he's forced to play behind a patched-up team, esp in defence, then that's a much harder decision.
 

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If the game is going to be postponed they should make a decision today at the latest.
If either team currently meets the criteria for postponement, then obviously yes.

But it may be that neither does, so the game is going ahead, then we get some more new cases tomorrow, or even on Wednesday morning, meaning it has then to be postponed.

In a way this argues for TF's circuit breaker idea - it gives certainty and avoids last-minute cancellations. But I would still argue against a breaker, since we don't know whether the situation will be any better when it's over - could be worse eg national lockdown - and we've already built up a backlog.

On top of which, it's not as if we're playing some Northern team who've bought expensive train tickets or hotels etc, and need plenty of notice.
 

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The strike was called for Saturday, which might have caused a "hangover" into the next day (trains in the wrong place, safety checks delayed etc), but this should have cleared before the afternoon:
Per TfL: "Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines may also be disrupted on the morning of Sunday 19 December"
 

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As i was reading this thread posts seemed to get deleted mind you it was getting a bit over the top we all need to make our own minds up whats best for ourselves
 

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....it's all gone a bit....the GPG does 'nanny state' on this thread....if HMG and EFL decree that this game goes ahead with crowd in attendance....then it's down to freedom of choice whether supporters go.... I'll be going if it is.... because I'll be allowed to and won't be committing any crime.
 
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....it's all gone a bit....the GPG does 'nanny state' on this thread....if HMG and EFL decree that this game goes ahead with crowd in attendance....then it's down to freedom of choice whether supporters go.... I'll be going if it is.... because I'll be allowed to and won't be committing any crime.
As is your right. My issue is with the footballing authorities for allowing this.

Lots of time to go before Wednesday so let’s see what happens. Chelsea boss clearly doesn’t want to play. We might even get a walkover at this rate.
 
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