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The Premier League is becoming like the X Factor of football in that the backstory is more important than the actual game, it is now all about who is shaking who's hand or who won on transfer deadline day. The Costa story will keep the guys on Talk Sport going for days if not weeks with the opportunity for presenters to take separate sides. I wonder if the people who organise the Premier League prefer it this way as this keeps the game on the back pages and the majority of fans seem to go along with it. Look at the weekend we had the start of the Rugby World Cup and GB qualifying for the Davis Cup Final for the first time in 40 years or so and all we are talking about is Diego bloody Costa.

Maybe one-day people will get sick of it all but with the TV billions still pouring in, it probably won't be soon......
 

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....i dont mind costa....he's a brute of a man....real throwback to old skool centre forwards....raised in some ghetto in south america....probably took a lot of stick playing in them leagues in south america serving his time....defenders are dirty fecks in them leagues....gives as good as he gets....needs to wind his neck in now and again mind or the FA will be on his case......defenders nightmare......couldnt care less about chelsea
 

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....i dont mind costa....he's a brute of a man....real throwback to old skool centre forwards....raised in some ghetto in south america....probably took a lot of stick playing in them leagues in south america serving his time....defenders are dirty fecks in them leagues....gives as good as he gets....needs to wind his neck in now and again mind or the FA will be on his case......defenders nightmare......couldnt care less about chelsea

He doesn't though, he falls over and complains a lot at the slightest touch. I really don't see him as a brute.
 

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He doesn't though, he falls over and complains a lot at the slightest touch. I really don't see him as a brute.

......yeah i dont like that aspect of his game....he needs to unlearn the play acting bit.......that fella who went from liverpool to barca was the same....south american thing.
 

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This quote from someone i put on another thread still making me chuckle for those who missed it

"Diego Costa is the type of man who'd unplug your life support machine so he could charge his phone"
 

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.....it was a south american handbags job....no love lost between these hispanic types.....yappining away in spanish to each other over the virtue of their mothers no doubt......miralis's over the top tackle against swansea was in a different league to these two.
 

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The Premier League is becoming like the X Factor of football in that the backstory is more important than the actual game, it is now all about who is shaking who's hand or who won on transfer deadline day. The Costa story will keep the guys on Talk Sport going for days if not weeks with the opportunity for presenters to take separate sides. I wonder if the people who organise the Premier League prefer it this way as this keeps the game on the back pages and the majority of fans seem to go along with it. Look at the weekend we had the start of the Rugby World Cup and GB qualifying for the Davis Cup Final for the first time in 40 years or so and all we are talking about is Diego bloody Costa.

Maybe one-day people will get sick of it all but with the TV billions still pouring in, it probably won't be soon......

And it is precisely for the reasons you state above that I am rapidly falling out of love with Football

I sometimes watch Taunton play in front of a few hundred people and it is a far more enjoyable experience, yes the football is not as good but the lads try

Top level football is just creating its own industry with players and ex players all feeding out of the TV trough. Little intelligent comments on the actual game more the focussing on the mistakes of the ref ( players don't make mistakes) or the failings of the Managers ( players are not to blame) and creating a 3 ring circus

The likes of Talk ***** just continue to fester the issues and then put forward outlandish statements to get mugs phone in and argue

honesty in football no longer exists and the role models of yesteryear have long gone, you could look up to Bobby Charlton, can't say the same about 99% of today's players
 

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And it is precisely for the reasons you state above that I am rapidly falling out of love with Football

I sometimes watch Taunton play in front of a few hundred people and it is a far more enjoyable experience, yes the football is not as good but the lads try

Top level football is just creating its own industry with players and ex players all feeding out of the TV trough. Little intelligent comments on the actual game more the focussing on the mistakes of the ref ( players don't make mistakes) or the failings of the Managers ( players are not to blame) and creating a 3 ring circus

The likes of Talk ***** just continue to fester the issues and then put forward outlandish statements to get mugs phone in and argue

honesty in football no longer exists and the role models of yesteryear have long gone, you could look up to Bobby Charlton, can't say the same about 99% of today's players

so true
 

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Don't know why Arsenal are appealing Gabriel's red card.
Could end up with another game on top of the ban he will already serve.

Especially as at the time Wenger said he agreed with the red card as he was stupid to get involved
 

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And it is precisely for the reasons you state above that I am rapidly falling out of love with Football

I sometimes watch Taunton play in front of a few hundred people and it is a far more enjoyable experience, yes the football is not as good but the lads try

Top level football is just creating its own industry with players and ex players all feeding out of the TV trough. Little intelligent comments on the actual game more the focussing on the mistakes of the ref ( players don't make mistakes) or the failings of the Managers ( players are not to blame) and creating a 3 ring circus

The likes of Talk ***** just continue to fester the issues and then put forward outlandish statements to get mugs phone in and argue

honesty in football no longer exists and the role models of yesteryear have long gone, you could look up to Bobby Charlton, can't say the same about 99% of today's players

Thats also why there will never be tv reviews - owners, managers and players can blame the refs til their hearts content as none of them would ever blame their idiotic players.
 

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And it is precisely for the reasons you state above that I am rapidly falling out of love with Football

I sometimes watch Taunton play in front of a few hundred people and it is a far more enjoyable experience, yes the football is not as good but the lads try

Top level football is just creating its own industry with players and ex players all feeding out of the TV trough. Little intelligent comments on the actual game more the focussing on the mistakes of the ref ( players don't make mistakes) or the failings of the Managers ( players are not to blame) and creating a 3 ring circus

The likes of Talk ***** just continue to fester the issues and then put forward outlandish statements to get mugs phone in and argue

honesty in football no longer exists and the role models of yesteryear have long gone, you could look up to Bobby Charlton, can't say the same about 99% of today's players

Absolutely agree Mr Pipe. The playacting today would seem normal to many because they've grown up with it but to me who started watching Brentford in January 1947 it is simply disgusting. I feel totally disconnected from football now, see maybe three or four matches from the '72 Clubs' a season and have gone non-league for my football pleasure.

These so called Premier/Championship 'role models' presumably have training sessions dedicated entirely to how to get an opposing player sent off and if I take in the occasional school match the kids and many of their parents are simply copying the professionals with ludicrous goal celebrations even when it's the fifth goal in the final minute of a 5-0 victory.

My memory may be playing tricks but I don't even remember players spitting (on the ground let alone at each other) and as I've said I've drilled down into non league football for my recreation now where there is far more honesty and every penny counts with the clubs mostly staffed by volunteers.

I've forgotten the actual comment I read recently but it was something like 'Rugby comprises fit sportsmen who when they get knocked down get up immediately pretending that they are not hurt and football is fit sportsmen who when someone blows on them lay rolling around on the ground pretending they've just been shot and waving imaginary cards at the referee'.

Chelsea vs Arsenal on Saturday didn't finish me off because I've been disillusioned for a while but the total lack of sportsmanship from the two managers down was appalling and we're selling this televised stuff to the world.

:(
 

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Thats also why there will never be tv reviews - owners, managers and players can blame the refs til their hearts content as none of them would ever blame their idiotic players.

Or blame themselves as managers who are the worst culprits. How often do they say I got that wrong that is why we lost? very occasionally.

I blame Ferguson for a lot of this as he ruled untouchable for so many years and laid every defeat on the officials to the extent he ruined careers and managed to make Old Trafford a place where his team constantly got favourable decisions. No coincidence to me that since he left it has been less of a fortress. He set the scene for the modern managers obsession with making nasty sniping comments at the officials to offset their own teams mistakes or poor performances.
 

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This ridiculous comment from Roberto Martinez about Mirallas' red card, shows how much the idiot players get protected

“Understanding how the system works, I don’t think we have got a chance to get it overturned so we need to feel hurt with the decision and support Kevin.

How about you say "my player was a total nob going in over top of the ball having only been on the pitch 2 minutes, he could have easily broken the opponents leg"
 

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Judging by the amount of empty seats at most premier matches nowadays, it is clear football is struggling. I contribute to a step 9 club and thoroughly enjoy myself watching honest guys giving their best for the love of the game. Or, to quote the Queen's Park FC motto - "Ludere Causa Ludendi" – to play for the sake of playing. Not sure if I will ever go to a pro game again though my heart remains Brentford.
 

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Funny how Zuma said the team love him because he cheats and then back tracks saying remarks have basically been lost on translation
 

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Absolutely agree Mr Pipe. The playacting today would seem normal to many because they've grown up with it but to me who started watching Brentford in January 1947 it is simply disgusting. I feel totally disconnected from football now, see maybe three or four matches from the '72 Clubs' a season and have gone non-league for my football pleasure.

These so called Premier/Championship 'role models' presumably have training sessions dedicated entirely to how to get an opposing player sent off and if I take in the occasional school match the kids and many of their parents are simply copying the professionals with ludicrous goal celebrations even when it's the fifth goal in the final minute of a 5-0 victory.

My memory may be playing tricks but I don't even remember players spitting (on the ground let alone at each other) and as I've said I've drilled down into non league football for my recreation now where there is far more honesty and every penny counts with the clubs mostly staffed by volunteers.

I've forgotten the actual comment I read recently but it was something like 'Rugby comprises fit sportsmen who when they get knocked down get up immediately pretending that they are not hurt and football is fit sportsmen who when someone blows on them lay rolling around on the ground pretending they've just been shot and waving imaginary cards at the referee'.

Chelsea vs Arsenal on Saturday didn't finish me off because I've been disillusioned for a while but the total lack of sportsmanship from the two managers down was appalling and we're selling this televised stuff to the world.

:(

I agree 100% and it appears that while the standards and prizes are greater than ever before, sport with the possible exception of Rugby is no longer sporting!
Horse racing is more corrupt than ever, Cycling is tainted forever with every winner of major events either allegedly on illegal stimulants or a proven cheat.
Athletics is in the same boat now and Thank God for temporary relief when Usain Bolt won at the World Championships as grew bored with hearing every line up for a final contained someone who had previously served a ban!
Back in the 70's and before Spain 82 young football mad kids like me aspired to be Pele or Beckenbauer or Cruyff and other exciting players we saw on telly once in a blue moon or could only read about and so was delighted when after Argentina 78 Spurs bought World cup winners Ardiles and Villa over. The Premiership is now the best league on the planet in terms of talent, money, box office etc but it has a totally different look and feel to the other leagues and it's sold itself and is full of overpaid entertainers who in the main don't relate to grass roots football, the football club they represent or the fanbase. The thought of trying to con the referee in to giving a penalty or deliberately getting an opponent sent off sickens me and the sooner a task force is set up to eradicate by issuing long bans retrospectively the better.
Falling over easily if you get challenged I can tolerate but falling over without any contact and feigning injury to get an opponent sent off should bring a Di Canio length ban and the problem would soon disappear.
End of rant
 

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Judging by the amount of empty seats at most premier matches nowadays, it is clear football is struggling. I contribute to a step 9 club and thoroughly enjoy myself watching honest guys giving their best for the love of the game. Or, to quote the Queen's Park FC motto - "Ludere Causa Ludendi" – to play for the sake of playing. Not sure if I will ever go to a pro game again though my heart remains Brentford.

The funny thing is the PL is the next step up the ladder for us and I would love to see us play there but I find myself skipping over the pages and pages of coverage it gets in the paper because I just feel so disconnected from it. I don't know if its the money that the players earn, the complete lack of sporting morals of some of the players, people like Mourinho who just says stuff to get a reaction/get the media fawning all over him but I just can't find it in me to enjoy what is on offer
 

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The funny thing is the PL is the next step up the ladder for us and I would love to see us play there but I find myself skipping over the pages and pages of coverage it gets in the paper because I just feel so disconnected from it. I don't know if its the money that the players earn, the complete lack of sporting morals of some of the players, people like Mourinho who just says stuff to get a reaction/get the media fawning all over him but I just can't find it in me to enjoy what is on offer

One season would do me, big parachute payment and then the rest of my days watching us playing good football at the top end of the Championship in front of 20,000 fans every other week in an atmospheric, intimidating Lionel road.
 

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I know for a fact if Trotta had scored that penalty it would have made me happier than when we go up to the Premiership
 

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One season would do me, big parachute payment and then the rest of my days watching us playing good football at the top end of the Championship in front of 20,000 fans every other week in an atmospheric, intimidating Lionel road.

That would suit me too.I don't even watch MOTD anymore the pundits on TV these days all come out with the same old smug stuff they get away with bigging themselves up when they get a prediction right and laugh it off when they are wrong.I loved Kieth Hill's comments when he was interviewed after a game and was asked to react to,a pundits comments and he said "who was that then?what out of work manager was that?Where I live I can get to a Midlands premier game in under an hour but when I have a free Saturday ( Bolton A ) I will make a trip to Forrest Green.The P L is promoted as the best league in the world although we don't seem to see that reflected in the Champions league.
 

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One season would do me, big parachute payment and then the rest of my days watching us playing good football at the top end of the Championship in front of 20,000 fans every other week in an atmospheric, intimidating Lionel road.

I could live with that.

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That would suit me too.I don't even watch MOTD anymore the pundits on TV these days all come out with the same old smug stuff they get away with bigging themselves up when they get a prediction right and laugh it off when they are wrong.I loved Kieth Hill's comments when he was interviewed after a game and was asked to react to,a pundits comments and he said "who was that then?what out of work manager was that?Where I live I can get to a Midlands premier game in under an hour but when I have a free Saturday ( Bolton A ) I will make a trip to Forrest Green.The P L is promoted as the best league in the world although we don't seem to see that reflected in the Champions league.

And let us not forget just how boring the champions league is predominantly!
 

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And let us not forget just how boring the champions league is predominantly!

Exactly,and it isn't the champions league anymore as the majority of clubs are not champions.The fact that Sky let BT sport spunk money on it confirms how popular it is.
 

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That would suit me too.I don't even watch MOTD anymore the pundits on TV these days all come out with the same old smug stuff they get away with bigging themselves up when they get a prediction right and laugh it off when they are wrong.I loved Kieth Hill's comments when he was interviewed after a game and was asked to react to,a pundits comments and he said "who was that then?what out of work manager was that?Where I live I can get to a Midlands premier game in under an hour but when I have a free Saturday ( Bolton A ) I will make a trip to Forrest Green.The P L is promoted as the best league in the world although we don't seem to see that reflected in the Champions league.

I think some people equate best with richest. There are lots of things can buy you, class isn't one of them
 

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And let us not forget just how boring the champions league is predominantly!

The Champions league is too long winded, too many teams, too many poor teams, too many boring games, too many dis engaged fans and hence why Sky don't seem too unhappy BT haved it now.
 

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Arsenal player red card rescinded by FA

Jose will be fuming now...

Could not see the kick on MOTD
 

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Unconfirmed reports the doctor that upset Jose has left the club
 

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BBC say she has left Chelsea.....Quick Matthew get her in!
 

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and as I've said I've drilled down into non league football for my recreation now where there is far more honesty and every penny counts with the clubs mostly staffed by volunteers.

Last season I took on extra refereeing by joining the Hellenic league on Saturday afternoons. This has meant going to brentford is very rare.
But since then I've taken a keen interest in what happens at clubs at this level.

2 Saturdays ago I was at Finchampstead, who played Didcot Town. Finchampstead don't charge admission and seemingly only make their money on match days via the bar and canteen. I heard someone say they go round with a bucket and see if anyone can chuck something in, but never saw this as I'm concentrating on the game. Yet they still have to find over £150 to pay 3 officials for every home game. The whole club outside the pitch were all volunteers young and old.
My last match was Henley v Reading Town. Reading are struggling behind the scenes just to get someone to run the club! Henley too had to find £150 for the officials but charge folk to go watch them. I'd guess that there were about 30 people watching, mostly seniors. £3 entry for them (£5 for adults). Again, not even close to covering just the referees fees. The groundsman, a volunteer, was already on the pitch (both pitches in the games mentioned were immaculate) tending to it. In fact the goals and nets etc were donated by Charlton Athletic.

Staying behind after the game, you really do get a much more belonging feeling. All the players in the bar after the game mixing with officials and having a bit of banter and a chat along with those that came to watch.

I can see why you prefer to watch football further down the pyramid (maybe not this low).
 

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Last season I took on extra refereeing by joining the Hellenic league on Saturday afternoons. This has meant going to brentford is very rare.
But since then I've taken a keen interest in what happens at clubs at this level.

2 Saturdays ago I was at Finchampstead, who played Didcot Town. Finchampstead don't charge admission and seemingly only make their money on match days via the bar and canteen. I heard someone say they go round with a bucket and see if anyone can chuck something in, but never saw this as I'm concentrating on the game. Yet they still have to find over £150 to pay 3 officials for every home game. The whole club outside the pitch were all volunteers young and old.
My last match was Henley v Reading Town. Reading are struggling behind the scenes just to get someone to run the club! Henley too had to find £150 for the officials but charge folk to go watch them. I'd guess that there were about 30 people watching, mostly seniors. £3 entry for them (£5 for adults). Again, not even close to covering just the referees fees. The groundsman, a volunteer, was already on the pitch (both pitches in the games mentioned were immaculate) tending to it. In fact the goals and nets etc were donated by Charlton Athletic.

Staying behind after the game, you really do get a much more belonging feeling. All the players in the bar after the game mixing with officials and having a bit of banter and a chat along with those that came to watch.

I can see why you prefer to watch football further down the pyramid (maybe not this low).

So are you saying you get paid £150 to ruin peoples weekend?
 

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Last season I took on extra refereeing by joining the Hellenic league on Saturday afternoons. This has meant going to brentford is very rare.
But since then I've taken a keen interest in what happens at clubs at this level.

2 Saturdays ago I was at Finchampstead, who played Didcot Town. Finchampstead don't charge admission and seemingly only make their money on match days via the bar and canteen. I heard someone say they go round with a bucket and see if anyone can chuck something in, but never saw this as I'm concentrating on the game. Yet they still have to find over £150 to pay 3 officials for every home game. The whole club outside the pitch were all volunteers young and old.
My last match was Henley v Reading Town. Reading are struggling behind the scenes just to get someone to run the club! Henley too had to find £150 for the officials but charge folk to go watch them. I'd guess that there were about 30 people watching, mostly seniors. £3 entry for them (£5 for adults). Again, not even close to covering just the referees fees. The groundsman, a volunteer, was already on the pitch (both pitches in the games mentioned were immaculate) tending to it. In fact the goals and nets etc were donated by Charlton Athletic.

Staying behind after the game, you really do get a much more belonging feeling. All the players in the bar after the game mixing with officials and having a bit of banter and a chat along with those that came to watch.

I can see why you prefer to watch football further down the pyramid (maybe not this low).

You've explained very succinctly what to me it should be all about and isn't what you've described where most of us will have started in football.......a match played in a decent spirit, hard but always fair, a whip round for the officials and then win or lose a kitty to buy the opposing players jugs of beer after the match. I can now lob in a few bob with a good heart at ground roots level and to my enormous satisfaction it makes a considerable difference whereas frankly even below the Premier at Championship level we have in our own club a situation where we have seemingly a management/oversight failure re the original pitch replacement decision and although it cost us 'several hundred thousand pounds' according to our CEO we can just shrug it off because of the huge financial backing and resources provided by our owner. One of the themes on here has been....... 'It's not your monies so why bother about it?'.......which made me wonder what we've become and how immune we are to spending other peoples dosh.

The monies being poured into the Club by Matthew Benham are simply unbelievable but it is amazing how quickly the supporters and for all I know many at BFC take it for granted. I simply do not get the pleasure that I used to from watching full time professional football.
 
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You've explained very succinctly what to me it should be all about and isn't what you've described where most of us will have started in football.......a match played in a decent spirit, hard but always fair, a whip round for the officials and then win or lose a kitty to buy the opposing players jugs of beer after the match. I can now lob in a few bob with a good heart at ground roots level and to my enormous satisfaction it makes a considerable difference whereas frankly even below the Premier at Championship level we have in our own club a situation where we have seemingly a management/oversight failure re the original pitch replacement decision and although it cost us 'several hundred thousand pounds' according to our CEO we can just shrug it off because of the huge financial backing and resources provided by our owner. One of the themes on here has been....... 'It's not your monies so why bother about it?'.......which made me wonder what we've become and how immune we are to spending other peoples dosh.

The monies being poured into the Club by Matthew Benham are simply unbelievable but it is amazing how quickly the supporters and for all I know many at BFC take it for granted. I simply do not get the pleasure that I used to from watching full time professional football.

Are you with a particular club abee? Or a floater.
 

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It is interesting reading this thread just how many of us have a love for Brentford but not for football as a whole. I wonder if that is a representation of disillusionment across the country or whether it's just a few " grumpy old men"

If there is starting to be a groundswell of disillusioned fans then it will be interest to see how it develops and the impact it might make if fans decide to " vote with their feet"

I like meeting my friends at GP but get far greater enjoyment overall watching Taunton play, and bear in mind I have been attending GP for nigh on 58 years and reckon the football over the last year or so has been the best I have seen. But slowly I am even feeling disconnected with my club and now, if I have to miss a home Saturday it's no big deal, something I never thought I would be saying
 

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Are you with a particular club abee? Or a floater.

I was approached by three clubs within three months of being asked to resign from the BFC board in May 2014. I'm currently giving time to one particular club but I'd describe myself as a 'floater' when it comes to watching football.

As far as my time goes I'm being very careful with it as I know from my Brentford experiences that 'volunteering' say fifteen to twenty hours a week to a club soon creeps up to thirty five to forty. As far as the money stuff is concerned I'm only doing bits and pieces i.e. sponsorships (anonymously) and filling small financial gaps.
 

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With the Gabriel having his card rescinded and Costa getting a 3 match ban (in effect a red card for violent conduct), how is the result allowed to stand?

To cut out the cheating, play acting etc that certain players seem to like to bring to the game, they should start hitting the clubs as well.

Costa will miss three game, carry on training and get a fine that is no more than loose change.

Take away the points the team won and the game would clean up pretty quickly.
 

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But how can you prove that a side with 10 men would win or lose the game anyway ?
 

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I wish. That is approx fee for all 3 officials. Assistants get £42. Not sure on referees.

Well if it is £150 and the 2 assistants get £42 each then the referee must get £66 at a wild guess.

Would add that many of these clubs are raising fees from under 7 teams upwards, have loads of club functions and a bar open as a social club 4 or 5 days a week. There is a huge turnover of cash not necessarily income on the balance sheet.
 

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But how can you prove that a side with 10 men would win or lose the game anyway ?

You can't prove or disprove. If you want to stamp out the blatant cheating, which the powers that be keep harping on about doing and then achieving the sum total of nothing, then you have start hitting the clubs as well as the players. The players play like it because they are encouraged to do so.

If a player continues to be cheat, double their punishment. A 3 game ban to start, then 6, then 12 etc. The clubs and players will change.
 

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