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We took on a teenager and he showed signs of what he can be but sadly in his second month was either broken or had a dodgy botty, we also got a fast left sided centre back who was suffering from a meltdown and was sent home after just three games, hardly strengthening.

Seems, that we were a bit unlucky with those two. Without the Long leg injury and the dodgy botty it may have been rather different!
We also signed £1 million attacking midfielder and a fairly highly-rated defender (plus a promising lad from QPR).
I agree these guys have not yet had the impact we hoped for, but we were not completely idle in the transfer windows...
 

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Yeah righto, let's see if Warbs is as successful when he leaves us. I'm prepared to have a friendly little bet that he isn't.

Think I agree with you SOB but I'm very worried about how many of the back up team he may take with him. EG we don't want the Academy set-up to be dismantled or the fitness regime.
 

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Seems, that we were a bit unlucky with those two. Without the Long leg injury and the dodgy botty it may have been rather different!
We also signed £1 million attacking midfielder and a fairly highly-rated defender (plus a promising lad from QPR).
I agree these guys have not yet had the impact we hoped for, but we were not completely idle in the transfer windows...

Maybe Long's leg injury came from sitting on the karsi all week, what awful luck to pick up 2 ailments in 5 days.
 

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With you on this brother. My only niggling concern is that if things go tits up, this season could have been our best chance of promotion to top tier as the teams potentially coming down are stronger than those relegated last season so will be a tougher scrap from top 6 with our limited resources.

Who knows, I do agree it will be a tougher league next year simply because I don't believe that some of the "bigger" clubs will be as bad as they were this time around and if Sunderland come down they'll go straight back up leaving only two places.
However, I believe in MB and he won't allow us to suffer second season syndrome, if anything we'll do what we did the last time we missed out on promotion and strengthen further. Top of the shopping list for any Manager will be at least two strong, quick defenders, a midfield guvnor to replace Dougie who isn't and finally a couple of forwards to add to Andre, one a target man and one another quicky like Andre.
 

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Seems, that we were a bit unlucky with those two. Without the Long leg injury and the dodgy botty it may have been rather different!
We also signed £1 million attacking midfielder and a fairly highly-rated defender (plus a promising lad from QPR).
I agree these guys have not yet had the impact we hoped for, but we were not completely idle in the transfer windows...

Geoffbee, with all due respect, the kid from QPR is just that (we nicked him because they failed to offer him the right deal to continue with them) and McLeod, well who knows but he hasn't featured so we've not seen impact of transfer activity, unlike Derby and B'Muff
 

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Yeah righto, let's see if Warbs is as successful when he leaves us. I'm prepared to have a friendly little bet that he isn't.

I'm genuinely at a loss as to why people have such a low opinion of Warburton. Yes he may have made some decisions that many disagree with, but he is still a novice manager in comparison to most. In contrast to the majority of new managers his error count is much lower and although there are those who feel he's not learning from those mistakes I would suggest that we've seen changes over the last 18 months that show he is. I'm impressed with the way he has been loyal to the players he knows, again in hindsight that may have been an error but I'm sure it was done with the best of intentions. For those conspiracy theorists who think he's deliberately sacrificed our promotion chances do you really think he would do that to the detriment of his CV? There may have been players who the club could get in the transfer window but he obviously felt that, for whatever reason, they weren't what he thought was needed.
I'm disappointed that he doesn't want to stay and see the project through, it should be an exciting next couple of years. However if his he thinks that the direction is wrong for him then he's a brave man to decide to leave. How easy would it have been to fit in with what is wanted, draw his pay check every month and ride on the coattails of MB and his money?
He leaves with my best wishes and I expect him to have a very successful managerial career, hopefully not at another West London club. However should he fail I also expect the usual suspects to be back on here showing how right they were, you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll not come on saying how wrong they were should he succeed.
 

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Who knows, I do agree it will be a tougher league next year simply because I don't believe that some of the "bigger" clubs will be as bad as they were this time around and if Sunderland come down they'll go straight back up leaving only two places.
However, I believe in MB and he won't allow us to suffer second season syndrome, if anything we'll do what we did the last time we missed out on promotion and strengthen further. Top of the shopping list for any Manager will be at least two strong, quick defenders, a midfield guvnor to replace Dougie who isn't and finally a couple of forwards to add to Andre, one a target man and one another quicky like Andre.

Isn't Hogan the other quicky, provided he can stay in one piece?
 

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Isn't that irrelevant and I have no idea, it's like saying Wilson would have got 30 for us and that Bamford would have had us in the top 2, you never know unless they are with you, I thought Forshaw would be a major signing for Wigan for example, right club and the right player thrives.

I am told Djurcin has scored 1 goal in 6 appearances since the transfer window...
 

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I'm genuinely at a loss as to why people have such a low opinion of Warburton. Yes he may have made some decisions that many disagree with, but he is still a novice manager in comparison to most. In contrast to the majority of new managers his error count is much lower and although there are those who feel he's not learning from those mistakes I would suggest that we've seen changes over the last 18 months that show he is. I'm impressed with the way he has been loyal to the players he knows, again in hindsight that may have been an error but I'm sure it was done with the best of intentions. For those conspiracy theorists who think he's deliberately sacrificed our promotion chances do you really think he would do that to the detriment of his CV? There may have been players who the club could get in the transfer window but he obviously felt that, for whatever reason, they weren't what he thought was needed.
I'm disappointed that he doesn't want to stay and see the project through, it should be an exciting next couple of years. However if his he thinks that the direction is wrong for him then he's a brave man to decide to leave. How easy would it have been to fit in with what is wanted, draw his pay check every month and ride on the coattails of MB and his money?
He leaves with my best wishes and I expect him to have a very successful managerial career, hopefully not at another West London club. However should he fail I also expect the usual suspects to be back on here showing how right they were, you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll not come on saying how wrong they were should he succeed.

Where am I criticising Warbs, I just don't happen to believe that he was responsible for Forrester, Adam and Sav being so successful with us. It's all in the research, insight and stats that make sure the odds of a player being right for the club are increased and I believe that is Matthews area of expertise but we'll see?
 

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Isn't Hogan the other quicky, provided he can stay in one piece?

Quite possibly, I hope so and no doubt it will be like a new signing, just have to hope that he fully recovers and hasn't lost any pace from what used to be a career threatening injury.
 

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I am told Djurcin has scored 1 goal in 6 appearances since the transfer window...

Thank God we missed out on him, he looks crap.....like I said, I don't know how to take player's form at other clubs and how it would work with us, I'm confident Wilson would have been a hit but there are no guarantees.
 

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Geoffbee, with all due respect, the kid from QPR is just that (we nicked him because they failed to offer him the right deal to continue with them) and McLeod, well who knows but he hasn't featured so we've not seen impact of transfer activity, unlike Derby and B'Muff

I agree that Laurent did seem a signing with the future far more in mind.
If Long, and Mc Leod had not got illnesses/injuries , and if Moore had not lost form , we might all be hell of a lot happier now...
 

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Thank God we missed out on him, he looks crap.....like I said, I don't know how to take player's form at other clubs and how it would work with us, I'm confident Wilson would have been a hit but there are no guarantees.

Now that I do agree on! :)
 

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I'm genuinely at a loss as to why people have such a low opinion of Warburton. Yes he may have made some decisions that many disagree with, but he is still a novice manager in comparison to most. In contrast to the majority of new managers his error count is much lower and although there are those who feel he's not learning from those mistakes I would suggest that we've seen changes over the last 18 months that show he is. I'm impressed with the way he has been loyal to the players he knows, again in hindsight that may have been an error but I'm sure it was done with the best of intentions. For those conspiracy theorists who think he's deliberately sacrificed our promotion chances do you really think he would do that to the detriment of his CV? There may have been players who the club could get in the transfer window but he obviously felt that, for whatever reason, they weren't what he thought was needed.
I'm disappointed that he doesn't want to stay and see the project through, it should be an exciting next couple of years. However if his he thinks that the direction is wrong for him then he's a brave man to decide to leave. How easy would it have been to fit in with what is wanted, draw his pay check every month and ride on the coattails of MB and his money?
He leaves with my best wishes and I expect him to have a very successful managerial career, hopefully not at another West London club. However should he fail I also expect the usual suspects to be back on here showing how right they were, you can bet your bottom dollar that they'll not come on saying how wrong they were should he succeed.

Just to set the record straight, elsewhere on this thread I corrected someone who said Warbs isn't worthy of legend status. In my opinion he has been the best Manager by far in my lifetime and under him we have played the best football over a sustained period, enjoyed a phenomenal season and a half, promotion and beaten Fulham twice. He is a legend for that but I also believe if we want to progress and move to the next stage in our transformation from the 4th biggest club in West London to a Premiership club we need to keep evolving - MB has a plan that he believes will deliver and he's funding so if his report says I don't agree and/or doesn't stick to the plan it's inevitable that there will be a parting of the ways.
Back in Jan it seemed crazy that MB wanted to make changes but now it just seems he was right and unless we win 6 more games this season I would agree?
 

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I agree that Laurent did seem a signing with the future far more in mind.
If Long, and Mc Leod had not got illnesses/injuries , and if Moore had not lost form , we might all be hell of a lot happier now...

If my wife had wheels she'd be a trolley! You don't win nothing with Kids (copyright Gary Glitter)

MB didn't ask Warbs to go and sign a teenager from QPR and Everton with no experience on loan in January, he offered him a shopping list of highly rated players across Europe?
 
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I am told Djurcin has scored 1 goal in 6 appearances since the transfer window...

But he could of scored 10 in 10 for us. Nobody will know, because we didn't sign him. The game is littered with players who have scored goals somewhere but not somewhere else. We create chances that maybe other clubs don't? It really isn't so black and white that some paint.
 

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The majority of the 9k or so Bees fans who go to matches aren't on the GPG or looking at other places like Beesotted's podcasts

Where is that assumption from please.
 

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Where am I criticising Warbs, I just don't happen to believe that he was responsible for Forrester, Adam and Sav being so successful with us. It's all in the research, insight and stats that make sure the odds of a player being right for the club are increased and I believe that is Matthews area of expertise but we'll see?
Of course the "research, insight and stats etc" are critical to getting the right players in.

But that's only half the battle - you've still got to handle them correctly while they're here. And in that respect, MW's man-management skills seem excellent, which may explain (at least in part) why Harry, Adam and Sav haven't kicked on since leaving GP.

I believe that so long as he gets the right club for his next job, there is no reason why Warbs cannot go on improving as a Manager.

And whatever truly happened in January, I will still wish him well.
 

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But he could of scored 10 in 10 for us. Nobody will know, because we didn't sign him. The game is littered with players who have scored goals somewhere but not somewhere else. We create chances that maybe other clubs don't? It really isn't so black and white that some paint.

My real point has been that, indeed, things are rarely black and white.
I suspect there are many grey areas in this whole scenario.
But I can see why , just maybe, Djurcin was not considered good enough to demand a starting place in our side.
As it happens, he has recently been relegated to the bench, and subsequently left out of the squad for his new club...
 

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Think the GPG Has some 6000 odd registered users. So that would show that the majority of the 9000 are on the GPG although a load not regularly. Hull, Northampton and Ealing Bees make up for those that don't post regularly-------
 

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Of course the "research, insight and stats etc" are critical to getting the right players in.

But that's only half the battle - you've still got to handle them correctly while they're here. And in that respect, MW's man-management skills seem excellent, which may explain (at least in part) why Harry, Adam and Sav haven't kicked on since leaving GP.

I believe that so long as he gets the right club for his next job, there is no reason why Warbs cannot go on improving as a Manager.

And whatever truly happened in January, I will still wish him well.

Ealing, I agree, he's been a great manager, he definitely brought out the best in the players named, I think he comes across as a lovely fella, I hope he improves, unsure he will do better but again we'll see. I wish him well as I'm sure do most of us but I won't be heard singing "we want you to stay" unless we've just won at Wembley next month!
 

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If my wife had wheels she'd be a trolley! You don't win nothing with Kids (copyright Gary Glitter)

MB didn't ask Warbs to go and sign a teenager from QPR and Everton with no experience on loan in January, he offered him a shopping list of highly rated players across Europe?

If you have seen that list, and know exactly what happened , I cannot argue with you ...
 

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My real point has been that, indeed, things are rarely black and white.
I suspect there are many grey areas in this whole scenario.
But I can see why , just maybe, Djurcin was not considered good enough to demand a starting place in our side.
As it happens, he has recently been relegated to the bench, and subsequently left out of the squad for his new club...

I think we definitely dodged a bullet there, sounds like a complete basket case but we've also had the likes of Jota and Tarks that MB network unearthed so who knows if he'd played here, maybe we'd have suited him.
 

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I am told Djurcin has scored 1 goal in 6 appearances since the transfer window...

Can't be too bad as l believe he received his first cap for Austria recently.Take it from me ( l know a couple of Austrians)he is very quick and has a high conversion rate set against chances. Probably came out very well in the stats:DI suspect we might have scored a few more but why disturb harmony ?:(
 

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Can't be too bad as l believe he received his first cap for Austria recently.Take it from me ( l know a couple of Austrians)he is very quick and has a high conversion rate set against chances. Probably came out very well in the stats:DI suspect we might have scored a few more but why disturb harmony ?:(

He did indeed play for Austria.
For 17 minutes...
Since then he cannot even get on the bench for his current club side.:(
Maybe they are worried about harmony, too!:D
 

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He did indeed play for Austria.
For 17 minutes...
Since then he cannot even get on the bench for his current club side.:(
Maybe they are worried about harmony, too!:D

Maybe they need to look more carefully at his stats :D He might of course be injured.
 

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If my wife had wheels she'd be a trolley! You don't win nothing with Kids (copyright Gary Glitter)

MB didn't ask Warbs to go and sign a teenager from QPR and Everton with no experience on loan in January, he offered him a shopping list of highly rated players across Europe?

Did you see the list ?...........if so perhaps you can name a couple, just a 2 will do ?
 

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Is anyone on here absolutely 100% sure they know exactly what conversations took place between MW/FMP and these so called 'unsigned' players or their agents?
And is anyone 100% sure that no other targets were considered?

Exactly. I haven't gone back and read the last 50 posts on this never ending debate, but it saddens me that the anti MW sentiment feels like its starting to grow slightly, probably fuelled by the crystal ball gazers claiming that he's definitely off to Fulham. How do we know please? For the first time MW sounds angry on his interview this week. I can't believe he has time or the inclination to read the constant speculation and s**t on here (big mistake if he does) but his references are not surprising in some ways, I dare say a lot has been bottled up these past few weeks as we try to secure a play off place. Most agree that the recruitment of strikers has been our downfall as has been said endlessly but this has been at least part down to circumstance, untimely injury etc. Mw will be conscious of this as he continues to learn but it doesn't alter the fact that that him and his staff have had this squad playing the by far and away the best brand of football I;ve seen in 35 years watching BFC, promotion or not. that alone makes him a bit of Ledge, and hopefully he'll get the full support for whatever remains of the season.
 

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How carefully does one need to look at stats that reveal just 1 goal and no assists at all in 6 matches ?...:D


Yep you're right, GEOFFBEE - all is well no mistakes made, we have enough strikers and sand is good for the hair. ;)
 

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I doubt anyone on here really knows what happened in January.MW is a great manager.He has my full support for the rest of this season.I wish him well in the future, i expect his future career to flourish.
 

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Exactly. I haven't gone back and read the last 50 posts on this never ending debate, but it saddens me that the anti MW sentiment feels like its starting to grow slightly, probably fuelled by the crystal ball gazers claiming that he's definitely off to Fulham. How do we know please? For the first time MW sounds angry on his interview this week. I can't believe he has time or the inclination to read the constant speculation and s**t on here (big mistake if he does) but his references are not surprising in some ways, I dare say a lot has been bottled up these past few weeks as we try to secure a play off place. Most agree that the recruitment of strikers has been our downfall as has been said endlessly but this has been at least part down to circumstance, untimely injury etc. Mw will be conscious of this as he continues to learn but it doesn't alter the fact that that him and his staff have had this squad playing the by far and away the best brand of football I;ve seen in 35 years watching BFC, promotion or not. that alone makes him a bit of Ledge, and hopefully he'll get the full support for whatever remains of the season.


If he gets annoyed by negative supporter opinion, he's made a bad career choice. People pay their money and take their choice. For the sake of balance, I assume he won't be bothering to acknowledge the crowd when they sing his name in future.
 

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How carefully does one need to look at stats that reveal just 1 goal and no assists at all in 6 matches ?...:D

Do you have stats for shots on target,saves made, holding up the ball, bringing other players into the game ,headers won. The national team manager clearly wanted him to be in the national squad . But l suppose our striker would be an auto choice too if he was Austrianrofl
 

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Mate, there are loads that don't get it, it's not a bad phrase to describe Brentford fans, people at games ask me and my lot what it is all about still, getting and not liking or even liking it is a minority pleasure IMO.

Yep. i reckon my best mates who aren't Bees fans but who look out for us as a second team, and who have listened/been subjected to me banging on about what's been happening at the club, "get it" more than many of our fans. Just an observation..
 

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Do you have stats for shots on target,saves made, holding up the ball, bringing other players into the game ,headers won. The national team manager clearly wanted him to be in the national squad . But l suppose our striker would be an auto choice too if he was Austrianrofl

Oh and l forgot the 17 goals in 21 games stat while playing for Sturm Graz . Maybe he'sulking cos he wanted to be somewhere else or perhaps he was so crap in those 6 games for Red Bull that the Austrian manager selected him to cheer him up.
 

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Do you have stats for shots on target,saves made, holding up the ball, bringing other players into the game ,headers won. The national team manager clearly wanted him to be in the national squad . But l suppose our striker would be an auto choice too if he was Austrianrofl
I do not have such detailed stats, but I doubt he would have been subbed regularly, then dropped to the bench, and then dropped from that bench if the stats were that great . Sounds like a Big Nick to me :(
As for International selection do not forget that even Lewis McLeod got called up to the Scotland squad :D
 

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Yep you're right, GEOFFBEE - all is well no mistakes made, we have enough strikers and sand is good for the hair. ;)

Er, where did I say no mistakes made?
And where did I say I thought we had enough strikers?
I have told you a million times, please do not exaggerate...
 

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Regarding Djuricin it would appear he has some decent competition in the scoring stakes at Red Bull.
 

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I do not have such detailed stats, but I doubt he would have been subbed regularly, then dropped to the bench, and then dropped from that bench if the stats were that great . Sounds like a Big Nick to me :(
As for International selection do not forget that even Lewis McLeod got called up to the Scotland squad :D

You are being naughty Geoff, I'd imagine Andre's goal ratio alone would be shocking since xmas, great player having a poor time, would he be good in Austria, who effing cares?:sorted:
Even the mad French lad, he joined a mental Wigan who have all but gone down, had he joined us he could be having a top season and off to the Prem with some others from our team.
 

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Sod Djuricin, I want Soriano :D
 

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I do not have such detailed stats, but I doubt he would have been subbed regularly, then dropped to the bench, and then dropped from that bench if the stats were that great . Sounds like a Big Nick to me :(
As for International selection do not forget that even Lewis McLeod got called up to the Scotland squad :D

You know there is only one big Nick .:D He might of course be carrying an injury. We don't know. What we do know is that Red Bull were very keen to sign him and even big Nick.can't score 17 tap ins in 21 games.
 

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You know there is only one big Nick .:D He might of course be carrying an injury. We don't know. What we do know is that Red Bull were very keen to sign him and even big Nick.can't score 17 tap ins in 21 games.

Actually, Our mate Djurcin has only scored one goal for Red Bull. And no assists either.
His goal tally, in total over the past 5 seasons is just 36, I believe.
I do not doubt he is a good player, but he may not be a goal scoring/ goal assisting messiah who had a right to be guaranteed a start...
But I agree that there will only be one Big Nick:D
 
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