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Don’t think a fit Toney would have made any difference today.To me there was no passion, passing or pressing.To many long balls up to Forss who can’t win a ball in the air against CB’s
I said earlier we don’t look to play well against a back 3 and a 5 midfield
 

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Worst day at the office for many a month. TF got the starting 11 wrong today but its not difficult to see where it;s going wrong. We are not coping with the Sat - weds - Sat - Weds fixtures through fatigue and lack of squad depth. We are the best team in this league - at full strength - and a distinctly average one when all the replacments have to be called upon. Rico's injury was just a matter of time, given the number of games he;s played and his energy levels, and now look where we are at LB.....? No cover.

These games show how dependent we are on certain key players - how many touches did Forss have today? And to have Jensen captain tells its own story in terms of current leaders on the pitch.

Fresh legs, fresh minds and wake up call to everyone else to show some feckin spirit, would be a good start.
 

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From the Guardian -
It is likely, though, that clubs in the EFL will feel an effect and particularly those in the Championship, such as Brentford or Norwich City, who have built models around acquiring talented players from obscure places

There's a points system. Talented but relatively unknown players especially from smaller leagues will have problems getting employment here.
So there wasn’t a single affordable player on the British Isles who could’ve added to the squad?

We may as well pack up now if that’s the case.
 

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Performance was pathetic, but not nearly as pathetic as some of the criticism towards management, DoFs etc. If we can regroup and win the next game, there will be more than plenty of opportunity to get back on track. In the meantime, profuse thanks to MB, management, players and all at the club for all the highs on this journey.
 

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I’m not one for bashing the team but that was ABSOLUTE EFFIN GARBAGE. An absolutely crap week and this was the nugget of corn on top of a steaming pile of sh**.
I actually feel pretty sick after watching that.
How can the wheels have fallen off so badly.
Is it fatigue? Is it a lack of ideas to combat the high press? Is it a lack of depth in the squad?
Who knows. But this skid is scary and depressing.
 

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That must go down as one of the worst performances ever by a team sitting second in the championship...
and both goals were gifts.
 

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Poor today but losing losing Toney from the spine of the team to add to Pontus and Christian was just a step too far.... the three best players in each department and three captain picks, the lack of leadership and organisation was clear to see.

Injuries aren’t unique to us but we have lost key players for long periods, which has then led to others players playing every week and losing form and now further injury with Rico.

We could do with Swansea dropping a few points but our great run means we are still in the top two for now. We desperately need Christian back and whilst Henry is a massively loss, Reid coming in may improve us defensively and stop the silly goals that make every game tough at the moment.

It was never gonna be as easy as it was starting to look..... Thomas has some work to do in the coming days, two wins then avoiding defeat at Norwich is now essential.
 

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Well I hope that is as bad as it gets. Absolutely a poor gutless performance. All credit to Coventry, but we made it so very easy for them.
 

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That was beyond poor. What has happened to our Brentford of a little while back?

We’ve no divine right to win games but I get a sense that too many in our squad expect to be able to turn up and the opposition will let us play and show our undoubted ability with the result following by right.

That needs to be addressed - this is the Championship!!! Teams are setting up to make life difficult for us, closing us down quickly, tactical fouls etc. but we have not done enough of that the opposite way round the last few games.

Hope Rico is ok. Our club doesn’t get too much wrong these days but I was left scratching my head when Thompson went out on loan and no proven cover was signed.
Add Dervisoglu to that. I felt it was a mistake to loan him out. We need options up top and we have v limited alternatives.
 

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9 points thrown away in 3 games, and if Bournemouth win today we are still 5 points better off than them in 6th place, there is hope yet!!!
Don’t worry about Bournemouth it’s at present the 14 points off of Cardiff that’s important
 

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We play the same number and frequency of games as every other team. Fatigue is not an excuse.
My point was not about fatigue, which obviously is a level field for all, but about the difficulty of making big tactical changes when we only have two training sessions between games. It was easy during the unbeaten run because then it was just about making small tweaks and practicing new set pieces. Now, due to not having Toney and Henry available we will be forced to change quite a lot to make things work and this would have been hard enough if it wasn't also in the context of 3 straight defeats and realistically, as seen by the number of goals shipped even in the wins that came before, is something that needed addressing anyway. I don't think it is realistic to expect that work to be capable of being done completely between now and Wednesday.
 

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Body language at the end speaks volumes.

Every team will now press the life out of us as they know we have no answer to it. We won’t change how we play. No plan B. We’ll just learn from the defeats (apparently).

No leaders. A lack of character perhaps. Heads down. Slumped shoulders. How can confidence be short considering the run we’ve been on? Are we really that fragile? If so maybe we need to look at resilience as part of our recruitment process.

The squad is thin and if this run had come in December I’m sure signings would’ve been made in January. Did we really think Rico and Toney would play every game? Or that Bryan would suddenly regain form? Or that Janelt wouldn’t burn out? We’ve got some super smart people in charge of our club and the decision making seems shortsighted.

Mads R will be great in time. As will Forss. But both are choir boys and not ready for the heat of a championship promotion push. And senior bods like Ghoddos, Canos and Jensen continue to blow more cold than hot.

Look at the last month and it’s been coming. Raya soft at Swansea and Boro. Plus the 2nd goal today. Henrik and Rico giving away soft pens. It’s chalk and cheese from last season approach to defending. Toneys goals and assists have covered over an awful lot of cracks in my opinion.
 

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This has been coming, our clean sheet record has been shocking last season we only conceded 38 all season... 36 this season already, we simply outscored most teams. We need to go back to solid defence build from there.
 

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From the Guardian -
It is likely, though, that clubs in the EFL will feel an effect and particularly those in the Championship, such as Brentford or Norwich City, who have built models around acquiring talented players from obscure places

There's a points system. Talented but relatively unknown players especially from smaller leagues will have problems getting employment here.
We keep being told we plan 3 or 4 windows ahead, the end of freedom of movement in Europe has been on the cards for 4 years.
 

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Will you please give it a rest - you were not saying this during the transfer window so stop rewriting history to suit your agenda.
I was not saying we need to recruit in the january window, your seriously having a laugh, Im not saying stuff I didnt say in January.
 

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Anyone who doesn't rate Jensen is a fool. He makes this team tick. Even with us playing bad today everything good goes through him.
Well i”m a fool then.can you tell me your not concerned about how many tines that he gives the ball away and his reluctance to shire away from 59/59 tackles. I have no doubt about his quality, biut we need a bit more than that?
 

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Poor today but losing losing Toney from the spine of the team to add to Pontus and Christian was just a step too far.... the three best players in each department and three captain picks, the lack of leadership and organisation was clear to see.

Injuries aren’t unique to us but we have lost key players for long periods, which has then led to others players playing every week and losing form and now further injury with Rico.

We could do with Swansea dropping a few points but our great run means we are still in the top two for now. We desperately need Christian back and whilst Henry is a massively loss, Reid coming in may improve us defensively and stop the silly goals that make every game tough at the moment.

It was never gonna be as easy as it was starting to look..... Thomas has some work to do in the coming days, two wins then avoiding defeat at Norwich is now essential.
If Christian is back before Rico it’s possible Vitaly will play left back
 

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We are in BIG trouble without Rico moving forward. We don’t have a lot of pace in the side as it is and the options at left back not good at all. Worrying times and our season is on the slide .
 

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Hideous performance....really don't know what happened there.
Why have we fallen apart ?

So frustrating.....
 

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absolute sherman tank......the manager, the majority of the players and the overall performance........fkin disgraceful wouldnt be too harsh.......that was as bad as anything seen in the last 7 years......wow i cant actually believe that was a brentford team out there today......lets be honest, we wont be going up automatically, and yes we will scrape into the play offs but we all know what will happen then.....its just wishful thinking
 

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Wycombe first half poor - brilliant second
Boro - lucky to win 4-1
Reading - poor first half - won the game last 20 mins
Barnsley - poor
QPR - ok first half - poor second half
Today - terrible

so, it shouldn’t really come as a shock. We haven’t been at our best since Swansea. If we were a 10 then we have been getting worse since on a sliding scale.

I can’t believe it can get worse. Losing Rico IMO was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. We should have got cover and not send out cover out. But what do I know. I would of also got in an experienced centre forward as Forss isn’t good enough (yet!) - I mean how can you score in France and not get a shot on target against Coventry? Haha.

we go again next week.
 

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From the Guardian -
It is likely, though, that clubs in the EFL will feel an effect and particularly those in the Championship, such as Brentford or Norwich City, who have built models around acquiring talented players from obscure places

There's a points system. Talented but relatively unknown players especially from smaller leagues will have problems getting employment here.
Certain leagues are harder to recruit from. Not the same as saying we can't buy from Europe anymore. Conversely other markets have opened up.
 

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Plan A is fantastic, when it works perfect and there is no doubt more than not it works. Was Ivan Toney feeling the effects of his injury against Barnsley and QPR!

There is a theory Toney has dragged an average group of players to the top of the league - on today's showing it is very hard to disagree.

Canos works hard, gives great committment and Mbeumo had a good first season; but it certainly isn't last season's BMW.

Our defence is relegation standard, no point sugar coating it, Cov can't score goals, yet somehow managed to score two today.

The TF debate is an interesting one. Mark Robins got his tactics spot on today, just like Barnsley's manager last week and Warbs during Wednesday's second half. I love our model, I've called it a football factory on here before, and it meets the needs of the business and ensures we're competitive in a great league.

However do we look at opposition teams, do we assess their strengths and weaknesses; adapting our play if required! Last season was the best Brentford team in a generation but Michael O'Neill and Scott Parker were able to adapt their tactics and change the course of our destiny. Yes we've a lot of injuries, and I'm certainly not TF out, far from it but I do have doubts if he or the systems at the club have the tactical awareness to win crunch games. Mark Robins pre game, in game tactics were of a high standard today, it was obvious he is a great manager/coach because they don't usually play like that.

We're not going up this season; I think if we make it, the play offs are going to be brutal, possibly a rejuvated peak Watford and B'mouth in a cup competition; hard to see us coming through that but lets ensure we get there first and see who is back.
 

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we are playing the same number of matches as the others.
We have also had five EFL Cup and 2 FA Cup games.

I make that 3 or 4 weeks in the season that other teams haven't suffered, where we have been unable to work on tactics and formations etc on the training ground, as well as adding considerably to our players' fatigue or injuries.

(Norwich have had 3 cup games, Bournemouth have had 5 so far, Watford 3 and Swansea 4. Many of those have been against lower league sides, while most of ours have been PL)
 

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Dismal. I think we've got a few weeks of this if Henry's going to be out and we need not only to pull ourselves up but also to reshape to deal with having a much flatter back 4 of Dalsgaard Reid Pinnock MBS and probably something looking more like 451 all while having a game every three days. A real test of manager and team. They'll have to fight to become hard to score against again before anything else.
Not just Henry, Toney is out for 2 weeks, I believe that was quoted that means 5 games possibly?
 

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Well played Coventry but what on earth has happened to our brave attacking football

Winston Reid my bees MOM with a solid 6/10

No bottle or bite.
I agree about Reid (who has looked composed, experienced and class so far) but TBH I also think that any and all of the subs made more positive impact than any of the starting eleven.
 

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Well i”m a fool then.can you tell me your not concerned about how many tines that he gives the ball away and his reluctance to shire away from 59/59 tackles. I have no doubt about his quality, biut we need a bit more than that?
Yeah your a fool then, his passing range is the best in the team, Sawyers similar player and look at the abuse he got on here. Every good move we actually had he was involved in. Some people choose not to see it, so be it. The ball for Rico was class for example, he isn't in the side to battle every player, its why Janelt is there.
 

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I was not saying we need to recruit in the january window, your seriously having a laugh, Im not saying stuff I didnt say in January.
I am fairly certain you said you were happy when we signed Reid and wanted a winger correct? Lets be honest whatever we signed you would still not be happy with as soon as we lose a game or 2. I dont want to single you out but it is getting tedious now.
 

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Brexit meant we had no choice
I guess we’re very dependent on our EU recruitment. Looking at players few others have heard of. I hope we‘re find away through this for the future.
 

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Third game with the opposition 3-5-2 and pressing, we can't find a way though it all. I'd guess we're going to see it regularly now, so it needs to be worked out but missing Henry for a while is not going to help.

When so many players are really off their game and what looked like a makeshift front three who had won a competition, we really need to get the missing players back and maybe give some B Teamers a go. There's some serious work to do.
 

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Ghoddos offering absolutely nothing.
Him and Mbeumo off please
Thing is its every game with these two. For the life of me I cant see why Bryanis playing most weeks he has been of the boil most of the season. We are talking a £7 Mill player here
 

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That was a painful watch...Rico being out may force TF to change tactics and that actually might help us.

Coventry got their tactics spot on and IT being injured played into their game plan even more. In my uneducated opinion we are losing these games in midfield. Janelt is doing exactly the job you would expect him to do but Jansen gives the ball away so much and Ghoddos (who I assume was there to support Forss’s style of play) just got bypassed. When Norgaard is back, and with a flatter back four we should have a better defensive shape where as today Coventry moved from a 5-3-2 in defence and quickly overloaded our midfield playing a 3-5-2.

it’s a rough week but on to the next one!
 

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But if it's taken other teams 20-odd games to come up with a plan to frustrate and overcome us, maybe we cannot reasonably expect Bees to respond in so short a time as two or three games with a Plan B of our own?

Especially with games coming thick and fast every 3 days?

As I said previously, Bournemouth, Norwich and Watford have all had a blip of their own, without it being fatal to their hopes. I can discern no good reason to suggest why BFC cannot also respond accordingly.
Agree with your points. I hate the fact we are playing so many games. We don’t have the depth in squad that the other top teams do. TF is doing a great job with rotation, anyone who thinks otherwise only has to look at Rico’s injury (a classic over use injury). I trust the coaching team to break this pattern.

However I am sure the style of coaching is to get the players to problem solve on the pitch. That didn’t happen today. Hopefully Reid can add that until PJ and CN come back.
 

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I planned my winter holiday to see four Brentford matches without work related issues or rescheduling my shifts. What did I know. Four matches we should be winning, and now we have lost three of them. Last time we lost 4 consecutive matches in Championship was in late 2016... I really hope this record remains the same after the Sheffield Wednesday match.
 

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This result makes the afternoon look even longer, the weather even worse, and the lockdown even harder.

Apart from that, all is good!😂
 

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Im losing a bit of patience with Ghoddos..he's weak and doesn't get involved enough. Think we might be better playing Zamburek who puts a foot in a gets his head up and can pick a pass.
 

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Performance was pathetic, but not nearly as pathetic as some of the criticism towards management, DoFs etc. If we can regroup and win the next game, there will be more than plenty of opportunity to get back on track. In the meantime, profuse thanks to MB, management, players and all at the club for all the highs on this journey.
but he picks the team and he picked a side to start which wouldnt look out of a place to play an fa cup 3rd game v league 2 oppostion........wtf is that all about ???? de silva, fosu and dalagaard on the bench and then when we are 2 down he brings them all on.......unbeliveable.........why did mbeumo and ghoddos both start and why is roeslev in front of henrik ? thats why we lost the game and when you throw in raya having one of those moments which was always coming its just not good enough........its poor managment
 

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Still second for a few more hours. Could Bob the kit man loose the Leeds kit. It's like putting up a surrender flag.
 

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Just a total lack of fight. No urgency. They worked us out by letting Pinnock and Sorensen have the ball. Raya to Pinnock , Pinnock to Sorensen, Sorensen to Raya. Raya to Sorensen, Sorensen to Pinnock, Pinnock to Raya. Or let Sorensen have the ball then press. Sorensen you can see the look on his face what do I do now!!!
 

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Im losing a bit of patience with Ghoddos..he's weak and doesn't get involved enough. Think we might be better playing Zamburek who puts a foot in a gets his head up and can pick a pass.
I have been surprised at how many on here think he is mustard, not been convinced since ha signed, he now is probably
as fit as he is going to get yet achieves little.
 

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Another in a long list or recent games where our players are consistently second to every ball and the closing down is not there. Canos, Sorensen and Forss should not be near the starting 11, Fosu is the only player who can retain and win the ball in the final third.

Ghoddos coming off was crazy. Thomas should have picked the most experienced team he possibly could today coming off two defeats, why do we rotate so much when other teams don't?
 

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